Demotivating Managers

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Anonymous said:
So, are there 110 managers right now? And it will go down to 72 managers. So that is 38 managers OUT of a job.
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i thought there were 110 also but Kip said yesterday that there were 90 something DMs currently...don't forget there are also 7 new energy DM jobs..there will probably be around 20 DMs replaced in the end
 












Anonymous said:
i thought there were 110 also but Kip said yesterday that there were 90 something DMs currently...don't forget there are also 7 new energy DM jobs..there will probably be around 20 DMs replaced in the end
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My math skills suck, but I'll try.... 14 Regionals reduced to 10 is ~30% reduction. DMs numbers are cloudy, so depends on where you get your numbers. Originally Kip said 110. 110 reduced to 72 is a 35% reduction. 90 DMs to 72 is a 20% reduction. If you take the original DM number of 110 DMs, reduced to 72 plus the 7 Energy DMs, that's 110 down to 79, which is still about a 30-35% reduction.

Kip threw out 600 as being the number for reps in the company. I think he is including the reps that aren't in the "pool"- Energy, TAs, etc. Either way, if you reduce 600 by a conservative 25%, that means 150 reps displaced. If you remove all the unaffected reps, that leaves about 420 reps and a 25% reduction would be 105 reps displaced. Either way, I think we are looking at ~100 reps being displaced, at a minimum.
 






Anonymous said:
My math skills suck, but I'll try.... 14 Regionals reduced to 10 is ~30% reduction. DMs numbers are cloudy, so depends on where you get your numbers. Originally Kip said 110. 110 reduced to 72 is a 35% reduction. 90 DMs to 72 is a 20% reduction. If you take the original DM number of 110 DMs, reduced to 72 plus the 7 Energy DMs, that's 110 down to 79, which is still about a 30-35% reduction.

Kip threw out 600 as being the number for reps in the company. I think he is including the reps that aren't in the "pool"- Energy, TAs, etc. Either way, if you reduce 600 by a conservative 25%, that means 150 reps displaced. If you remove all the unaffected reps, that leaves about 420 reps and a 25% reduction would be 105 reps displaced. Either way, I think we are looking at ~100 reps being displaced, at a minimum.
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wow. really? what if we were in Germany? Would this change anything? Ever notice why no one ever asks you any questions?
 


















I actually spoke to someone "in the know" yesterday and found out that yes, basically the reps are set. It was based largely on geography followed by a formula an outside consultanting group is using. The consulting group and HR has more to do with placing us versus our wonderful, demotivating managers.
 






Anonymous said:
I actually spoke to someone "in the know" yesterday and found out that yes, basically the reps are set. It was based largely on geography followed by a formula an outside consultanting group is using. The consulting group and HR has more to do with placing us versus our wonderful, demotivating managers.
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Yes, consulting groups are always effective. Just watch "Office Space". No truth there! Ha!
 






LOL! I know! But at least a consulting group will make them look at things in a whole new light. I'm trying to be positive here. I have no doubt ESC management will nix many of the ideas which need to be done in order to save their own butts.
 






Anonymous said:
I actually spoke to someone "in the know" yesterday and found out that yes, basically the reps are set. It was based largely on geography followed by a formula an outside consultanting group is using. The consulting group and HR has more to do with placing us versus our wonderful, demotivating managers.
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can you ask your "in the know" person how many reps will be displaced?
 






He wouldn't tell me that. I got the "new" math. Well, some are already leaving and some are retiring, but we have new energy jobs opening etc... So he wouldn't say.

I did learn there is a 2 to 1 ratio of Team Leaders or Territory Leaders to all the other positions. I'm just not sure how they are going to have a GYN and HBT in a lot of the smaller markets.
 






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He wouldn't tell me that. I got the "new" math. Well, some are already leaving and some are retiring, but we have new energy jobs opening etc... So he wouldn't say.

I did learn there is a 2 to 1 ratio of Team Leaders or Territory Leaders to all the other positions. I'm just not sure how they are going to have a GYN and HBT in a lot of the smaller markets.
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If they already know- they're just waiting til closer to the end of the year?!! I don't like feeling like a pawn. This ruins my illusion of having control over my life!!!
 






























Anonymous said:
Bro you had better be careful throwing that karma word around..don't forget..there is probably a 2 out of 5 chance that you'll be gone too
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Trust me, I am hoping that I get cut because I want to leave anyway. To me, it does not even matter. Ethicon is not the end all be all. Working your a## off and making only $130k is not worth it to me. I am already working on a few opportunities right now. Atleast there are more job openings now vs last year.
 






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Trust me, I am hoping that I get cut because I want to leave anyway. To me, it does not even matter. Ethicon is not the end all be all. Working your a## off and making only $130k is not worth it to me. I am already working on a few opportunities right now. Atleast there are more job openings now vs last year.
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I couldn't agree more. I'm relieved there is a big shake up because I've been thinking about moving forward too. It has been a great ride until the last year. Not sure I'm liking the effects of the "Endo takeover". If there's a place for me in the new Endoworld, I'll give it a shot. If not- sigh...oh well. It's a good kick in the arse to move on. Just do it already!!
 






Anonymous said:
I couldn't agree more. I'm relieved there is a big shake up because I've been thinking about moving forward too. It has been a great ride until the last year. Not sure I'm liking the effects of the "Endo takeover". If there's a place for me in the new Endoworld, I'll give it a shot. If not- sigh...oh well. It's a good kick in the arse to move on. Just do it already!!
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Yeah, I am dying to get outta here. Give me my severance so I can go on my merry way. I have had enough of all this BS!!
 






Anonymous said:
Yeah, I am dying to get outta here. Give me my severance so I can go on my merry way. I have had enough of all this BS!!
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Why don't you guys tell your managers your wish? That way you can get your severance and someone else in your division who may want to stay will have a better chance of having a position.
 






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