Covid vaccine still needed?

[anonymous]

Because diabetes & lung disease are highly associated w/ poverty, education and access to healthy food. Again, stay out of health care. You lack the requisite empathy.

Stop it, Sally Struthers.

 

[anonymous]

Typical. You have no data to back up your claims so you attack my empathy. And don’t fool yourself. We are not in healthcare, we are sales people.

 

[anonymous]

Typical. You have no data to back up your claims so you attack my empathy. And don’t fool yourself. We are not in healthcare, we are sales people.

The association b/w poverty and the incidence of T2D is well documented and acknowledged. Moreover the outcomes for impoverished populations w/ T2D are far worse because of the access to primary care.

You don't need me to provide links; do your own research. But I don't think your interest is sincere.

Do you also think uninsured bozos who ride motorcycles w/ out helmets don't deserve care if they wreck? Or people who don't wear seatbelts??

Again, don't work in healthcare. You lack the requisite empathy.

 

[anonymous]

Because diabetes & lung disease are highly associated w/ poverty, education and access to healthy food. Again, stay out of health care. You lack the requisite empathy.

If you’re just going to make things up, then why even bother posting?

Obesity and a sedentary lifestyle are the top causes of diabetes, and cigarettes are the #1 cause of lung cancer. That’s not debatable. Again, your dumb argument just falls apart when transposed on to any other issue than Covid vaccinations.

 

[anonymous]

The association b/w poverty and the incidence of T2D is well documented and acknowledged. Moreover the outcomes for impoverished populations w/ T2D are far worse because of the access to primary care.

You don't need me to provide links; do your own research. But I don't think your interest is sincere.

Do you also think uninsured bozos who ride motorcycles w/ out helmets don't deserve care if they wreck? Or people who don't wear seatbelts??

Again, don't work in healthcare. You lack the requisite empathy.

Wow, you really like to jump to conclusions. Anyway, just like your blatant lack of understanding of science, you don’t understand your role. You lack the education to be in healthcare. You are closer to being a caterer than a healthcare worker.

 

[anonymous]

The thing you can’t seem to get through your thick skull is that it does also reduce transmission, just not by as much as it did with prior variants…because the new variants are more transmissible to begin with. So yes, society does benefit from you getting the vaccine. In addition, you’re not a burden to taxpayers or the healthcare system by being hospitalized, dying, living with lifelong complications, so there are societal benefits to you doing the right thing beyond transmission.

And fwiw, I’m not the same person who said that, so I’m not contradicting anything. Do you really believe there’s just one person at this company who thinks you’re a selfish moron?

My body. My choice. Why isn’t this a good response now? Is this only an acceptable response when it’s a liberal argument? Can only the left use this? Please let me know.

 

[anonymous]

My body. My choice. Why isn’t this a good response now? Is this only an acceptable response when it’s a liberal argument? Can only the left use this? Please let me know.

When you’re pregnant you aren’t exactly contagious to make others pregnant

I fail to see how comparing what a woman decides to do with HER body to a highly transmissible and lethal disease that has killed millions of people is even in the ballpark of reasonable. A disease that becomes less serious and less transmissible with a simple shot.

It’s only a needle you absolute children. If only we could vaccinate for stupidity

 

[anonymous]

When you’re pregnant you aren’t exactly contagious to make others pregnant

I fail to see how comparing what a woman decides to do with HER body to a highly transmissible and lethal disease that has killed millions of people is even in the ballpark of reasonable. A disease that becomes less serious and less transmissible with a simple shot.

It’s only a needle you absolute children. If only we could vaccinate for stupidity

It’s about the choice you absolute child. No one mentioned pregnancy. If you are for choices for your own body then you have to be for all of the choices. Whatever that may be.

 

[anonymous]

When you’re pregnant you aren’t exactly contagious to make others pregnant

I fail to see how comparing what a woman decides to do with HER body to a highly transmissible and lethal disease that has killed millions of people is even in the ballpark of reasonable. A disease that becomes less serious and less transmissible with a simple shot.

It’s only a needle you absolute children. If only we could vaccinate for stupidity

All anyone said was “my body, my choice.” Nothing about pregnancy. Regardless, should that statement be modified to say, “my body, my choice….unless the CP poster decides otherwise…” Probably not - it doesn’t flow as well. And, I must have missed you railing about mandatory flu shots and mandatory pneumococcal vaccines, and mandatory hepatitis vaccines, and quarantining when you have a cold, and so on and so forth. Did I miss that, or are you just being hypocritical again?

I’m sorry you didn’t get to decide what everyone else does. Must be tough to know so much about what everyone should do and everyone not give a fuck about what you think, huh?

 

[anonymous]

“read the science” , someone said earlier…

funny, said by someone who has somewhere between 5 and 35 years of experience in pharma, to even imply that science isn’t about making money and, hopefully, doing some good along the way.

next big thing in autoimmune diseases (JAK inhibitors) went (almost) down the drain in one go… but, hey! “science” … if it’s published , it holds.


I still get the same reply when asking about pf jab efficacy , 95% “according to science”

did anyone bother check the 44000 or so ppl in the study actually comes down to 178 infected when the study was unblinded (170 placebo arm, 8 active, so 95% efficacy)

not to mention that since unblinding , all placebo arm were switched to active by taking the jab (as was ethically proper, per study protocol) so you can’t have a control arm for adverse events…

Oh, right, “science”… I guess we should be using the quotes in our daily calls, for clarity…

 

[anonymous]

When you’re pregnant you aren’t exactly contagious to make others pregnant

I fail to see how comparing what a woman decides to do with HER body to a highly transmissible and lethal disease that has killed millions of people is even in the ballpark of reasonable. A disease that becomes less serious and less transmissible with a simple shot.

It’s only a needle you absolute children. If only we could vaccinate for stupidity

Pregnancy was never mentioned but I’m glad you opened up the door to show just how stupid you are. Do you know between 600,000-900,000 children are aborted every year in the US alone? There are also a portion of mothers that lose their lives from abortions as well. So you are ok with all of the above but not somebody who decides to take the same chances of catching a flu with or without a flu shot? (Don’t call it a vax because it’s not. It’s a flu shot) So technically, if you included the entire world in that number…those are pandemic numbers. Mind your own business and think first.

 

[anonymous]

Pregnancy was never mentioned but I’m glad you opened up the door to show just how stupid you are. Do you know between 600,000-900,000 children are aborted every year in the US alone? There are also a portion of mothers that lose their lives from abortions as well. So you are ok with all of the above but not somebody who decides to take the same chances of catching a flu with or without a flu shot? (Don’t call it a vax because it’s not. It’s a flu shot) So technically, if you included the entire world in that number…those are pandemic numbers. Mind your own business and think first.

No clear winner, yet. The judges have split the rounds. Both of you keep it going.

 

[anonymous]

"It's only a needle" is such a dumb, childish argument. Cyanide is only a chemical, a car hitting a wall at 70mph is only a car, etc etc. It just shows how disingenuous you are because no one here is against the vaccine because of the needle.

People are discussing excess deaths, blood clots, myocarditis, miscarriages, lying about how the vaccine prevents the spread of disease to guilt people into getting the shot, Pfizer hand-waving the blame away by saying they "went at the speed of science", how the FDA is 75% funded by pharma companies, and the list goes on and on.

It's not a simple shot, it is a product being sold to our governments to be pushed onto us at the potential cost of our health or livelihoods if we deny it.

This. Which is why there should never be a mandate. Take it if you are comfortable with the phases it went through before coming to market.

 

[anonymous]

This. Which is why there should never be a mandate. Take it if you are comfortable with the phases it went through before coming to market.

if you work in Pharma and do not believe that the overwhelming preponderance of evidence supports vaccination then you have no business discussing clinical trials with doctors. Blood clots, myocarditis, allergic reactions, etc. are extremely rare… Lives saved by getting vaccinated… Not so rare.

as a COO of a Pharma company I would insist all reps be vaccinated. The only way I might make an exception is if a rep divulges their non-vaccination status to each account and get authorization to nonetheless enter the office.

 

[anonymous]

if you work in Pharma and do not believe that the overwhelming preponderance of evidence supports vaccination then you have no business discussing clinical trials with doctors. Blood clots, myocarditis, allergic reactions, etc. are extremely rare… Lives saved by getting vaccinated… Not so rare.

as a COO of a Pharma company I would insist all reps be vaccinated. The only way I might make an exception is if a rep divulges their non-vaccination status to each account and get authorization to nonetheless enter the office.

It's not "extremely rare". These aren't just transient adverse events. We are seeing an increase in excess deaths even though our most vulnerable sadly passed away from covid over the past 2 years.

Deaths in Scotland are up 11% for the past 26 weeks. England and Wales for the past 15 weeks have an extra 1,000 extra deaths each week unrelated to covid. 80% of athletes who suddenly died had no symptoms or family history of heart disease. Average mortality rate among newborns in Scotland has gone from 2 per 1,000 births to 4.9 per 1,000 in 2021 with 2022 looking much worse. The average age of death from covid is 82.5 years old. Why are the young, healthy people of society required to get vaccinated and take on this risk? Why are we not allowed to question this?

You can sit there high and mighty and circle-jerk your triple-boosted status or whatever with your friends, but forcing your beliefs on others is where a line gets crossed. Trying to boil something down as complex as this to "We must save lives!" is so incredibly short-sighted, it's baffling.

 

[anonymous]

Nice, get to watch real time as moderators delete any replies discussing speculation towards vaccine. If you're beliefs can't exist without severe censoring and moderation, you might not be in the right.

 

[anonymous]

if you work in Pharma and do not believe that the overwhelming preponderance of evidence supports vaccination then you have no business discussing clinical trials with doctors. Blood clots, myocarditis, allergic reactions, etc. are extremely rare… Lives saved by getting vaccinated… Not so rare.

as a COO of a Pharma company I would insist all reps be vaccinated. The only way I might make an exception is if a rep divulges their non-vaccination status to each account and get authorization to nonetheless enter the office.

You realize this one shot is the only "vaccine" we are discussing. I have all other vaccinations, ones that have been tested for years for safety and efficacy, ones that stop the spread and prevent people from getting a disease. I'm pro-vaccine. I have all the confidence in the world talking about clinical trials to doctors. The overwhelming preponderance of evidence? We don't have enough data yet. Not enough time has passed. For now we just have assumptions. That's the problem and that's the difference.

 

[anonymous]

We don't have enough data yet. Not enough time has passed. For now we just have assumptions. That's the problem and that's the difference.

from the CDC about CV19 vaccine safety.

• Clinical Trials – All vaccines in the United States must go through three phases of clinical trials to ensure they are safe and effective. The phases overlapped to speed up the process, but all phases were completed.
• Authorization or Approval – Before vaccines are available to people, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) reviews data from clinical trials. FDA has determined COVID-19 vaccines meet FDA’s standards and has granted those vaccines Emergency Use Authorizations (EUAs) or full FDA approval.
• Tracking Safety Using Vaccine Monitoring Systems – Like every other vaccine approved for use in the United States, COVID-19 vaccines continue to be monitored for safety and effectiveness. Hundreds of millions of people in the United States have safely received COVID-19 vaccines. CDC and FDA continue to provide updated information on the safety of U.S. authorized or approved COVID-19 vaccines using data from several monitoring systems.

I don't know what drug you promote but I'll bet my 401K it doesn't have NEARLY as much data as the Covid shot.

Are you generally opposed to evidenced thinking or only when it conflicts w/ your politics?

Sorry, but my Doctors would dismiss you and anyone else who continues to express doubt and skepticism about the vaccine as a wing nut.

 

[anonymous]

People are stupid

no kidding..

I find it particularly funny that so many of these people who are "still studying the science.." and "taking a conservative wait-and-see approach" have medicine cabinets filled w/ supplements, a vape pen on their night stand and jump from one fad diet to another. ..But a CV19 vaccine that has been safely administered to a billion people? ..Nope. "just not comfortable w/ the science yet!"

ugh.

 

[anonymous]

from the CDC about CV19 vaccine safety.

• Clinical Trials – All vaccines in the United States must go through three phases of clinical trials to ensure they are safe and effective. The phases overlapped to speed up the process, but all phases were completed.
• Authorization or Approval – Before vaccines are available to people, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) reviews data from clinical trials. FDA has determined COVID-19 vaccines meet FDA’s standards and has granted those vaccines Emergency Use Authorizations (EUAs) or full FDA approval.
• Tracking Safety Using Vaccine Monitoring Systems – Like every other vaccine approved for use in the United States, COVID-19 vaccines continue to be monitored for safety and effectiveness. Hundreds of millions of people in the United States have safely received COVID-19 vaccines. CDC and FDA continue to provide updated information on the safety of U.S. authorized or approved COVID-19 vaccines using data from several monitoring systems.

I don't know what drug you promote but I'll bet my 401K it doesn't have NEARLY as much data as the Covid shot.

Are you generally opposed to evidenced thinking or only when it conflicts w/ your politics?

Sorry, but my Doctors would dismiss you and anyone else who continues to express doubt and skepticism about the vaccine as a wing nut.

Did you seriously copy and paste the CDC safety page and thought you added anything useful to this thread? Embarrassing