Serious question, I am not antivax by any means. I received a legitimate medical exemption from my last company. Are there people here that have a medical exemption or is it a lost cause. I faced a ton of discrimination already when people find out about status
Covid vaccine still needed?
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most wish they hadn't folded under pressure.. it's not worth the risk.
good on you for standing up for yourself
Not a straw man argument at all, especially considering the President of the United States said that you wouldn’t catch COVID if you were vaccinated, and he said it in national TV. And, I would quote Fauci, but his “if you don’t believe me, then you don’t believe science” stance changed multiple times throughout the pandemic. Don’t try to rewrite history. We were all here to see it. And, 1 in 10 primary care doctors don’t believe you should be vaccinated, with roughly 25% of them not believing that vaccines are particularly effective. There’s plenty of disagreement on this topic:
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/98196
But, again, I’m not talking about COVID vaccination with my doctors. I’m talking about products that I sell. Who’s the pharma rep that should be worried about his credibility - the one discussing topics with his doctors that have nothing to do with the products he sells, or the one who never discusses his vaccination status and sells the products his company makes? You need to worry about you.
https://www.ama-assn.org/press-cent...-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19
According to the AMA, 96% of PRACTICING physicians vaccinated and 45% of the remaining 4% intending too.
Who cares what misstatement was made by the President - he's not a scientist and is a living breathing gaff machine. Fauci and the CDC has consistently maintained that vaccines are safe and effective, which they are.
And my performance ranking and bonuses make it clear that I make very effective use of my time with my providers, thank you
..Asking HCP's their thoughts on the vaccine was a common convo starter during the pandemic.Listen, vaccine skeptics are entitled to their views. But they are non entitled to have whatever job they want. Being on the non-science side of the vaccine debate is disqualifying for a drug rep. Sorry, but it is.
https://www.ama-assn.org/press-cent...-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19
According to the AMA, 96% of PRACTICING physicians vaccinated and 45% of the remaining 4% intending too.
Who cares what misstatement was made by the President - he's not a scientist and is a living breathing gaff machine. Fauci and the CDC has consistently maintained that vaccines are safe and effective, which they are.
And my performance ranking and bonuses make it clear that I make very effective use of my time with my providers, thank you
Listen, vaccine skeptics are entitled to their views. But they are non entitled to have whatever job they want. Being on the non-science side of the vaccine debate is disqualifying for a drug rep. Sorry, but it is.
Damn, your ego is MASSIVE, isn’t it? I’m starting to understand why it bothers you so much when people disagree with you. However, your narcissism doesn’t make you less wrong. Keep doubling and tripling down on those talking points, though! I’m sure there are plenty of us who are super upset that we don’t have your divine approval to be in our jobs. But, I think we’ll manage to keep working anyway!
Sorry, but it isn’t about my ego… It’s my confidence in the preponderance of scientific evidence. I know it hurts that your guy did not win the election… But that’s no reason to become a science atheist.
One question my anti-vaccine friends have yet been able to answer is… Why is it that people who work for the FDA and who work for public health agencies - you know, the very people who would be a part of this alleged conspiracy - are also among the first people to get themselves and their family vaccinated? Do they put themselves and their families (kids too!) in harms way just so people won’t suspect they are part of this well orchestrated effort to harm people? Or maybe they are just getting a shot of saline - a harmless placebo, so it appears they are getting a shot where they actually are not… This argument reminds me a little of a friend who insisted the Pharma industry had long ago cured cancer but allow it to continue because it is way more profitable to treat. An utterly absurd belief because it ignores the fact that people who work in Pharma also lose family members to cancer, including wives, husbands, and children. Indeed, many who work in pursuit of cures do so because they lost loved ones to cancer.
So I will close by asking why, why would the FDA, health agencies and indeed companies like Syneos want want to harm people people by mandating vaccines? How exactly does this help them?
Ego? Narcissism?
You have it backwards. People who think they are smarter than the majority of doctors have the HUGE ego and people who - in the name of personal liberty - don’t care how a simple shot slows the pandemic and reduces strain on our healthcare workers are the narcissists
When you think you get to decide who gets a job in this industry and who doesn’t, it’s all about your ego. That’s not really complicated to understand.
Second, who made this about political candidates? I don’t need a politician to tell me what to do or what not to do. I can make those choices. You obviously bow to government agencies as “proof” that your healthcare decisions are good or bad. I don’t do that.
Third, who said this was a conspiracy? Who said they thought this vaccine was something purposely intended to harm us? Who are you arguing with by saying that? Is that what you do - find a group of people that doesn’t exist and start waging a hypothetical argument against them? That’s just weird.
Last, businesses had financial threats made against them by the Federal government. That’s why they forced vaccines on their employees. And Biden signed a vaccine mandate for all government employees (that includes the FDA and CDC and all those other health agencies you cite). Do you really think it’s because they just cared so amazingly much they just couldn’t sleep another night without having a fully vaccinated work force? No, it’s because they didn’t want to pay a fine - the Supreme Court didn’t block the proposed fines until January of 2022, well after most of these employers’ policies were already in place. Why do you think none of these employers are mandating boosters? It’s because they don’t have to under threat of a fine.
You can move on now. It’s clear that you’ve been basing your stances on inaccurate information. And, maybe it’s time you reevaluate your own career. Maybe a headhunter or something like that - you seem really interested in telling people which jobs they should have. Regardless, you take care of you, and let the rest of us worry about taking care of or ourselves. We’ve got this without you. I promise.
go ahead and apply, Novo is a very reasonable company. For reference, look at the country of Denmark's policy on these vaccines.
May I ask why you are trying to argue on an anonymous board with someone that has a clear-cut agenda? Shouldn't you be preparing yourself for what you'll do to earn a living when we cut headcount in another year or so?
On the first two points, I'm confusing you with someone up-thread. My apologies. The fact that we all have the same name (anonymous) makes an easy (and frequent) mistake. But my apologies for attributing to you views that you don't hold. (It's worth noting that they ARE views which are quite common among people who oppose vaccine mandates)
As to your last point, the people I know who work for the FDA, hospitals, health agencies, etc.. did not get themselves (and their kids!! - for which there was no mandate) vaccinated because of the threat of penalty. The did it because they understood the science. The Biden administration did the right think imposing vaccine mandates and associated penalties. This is no different, imho, than seatbelt and helmet laws. Until hospitals are allowed to turn away un/under-insured people with covid (not something ANYONE should want) the cost of their care falls on us - which can be extraordinary. Just like people who refuse to buckle-up then wreck their cars and end up spending weeks in the hospital for injuries that would have been reduced or prevented by a simple "click".
And not to belabor the analogy but seatbelts - like vaccines - occasionally DO harm people. On very rare occasion people are unable to escape a burning or sinking (water) car with survivable injuries b/c they couldn't get the seatbelt unfastened (perhaps b/c of panic, injury to hands, etc..) Yet, seatbelt laws - on balance - save millions of lives and huge costs of care that would be shouldered by hospitals then passed on to us.
So, by that argument, I guess you’re ready to start mandating diet and exercise and quit paying for diabetes products, right? Or do you just pick and choose where it’s ok for the government to mandate healthcare. And, are we all just a financial transaction to you?
Like I said, time for you to move along.
CV19 and T2D are very different, and you know it.
T2D is a huge problem but at no point were our ER's, ICU's and hospital morgues at capacity because of a spike in crashing T2D patients. Or were HCP's strained to the point of physical, emotional, and mental exaustion. All of which was happening during the height of the Covid pandemic. Also, T2D is not transmissible.
The causes of T2D are many and are inextricably linked to socioeconomic factors like income, education, the high cost of quality food and the prohibitively high cost of preventative health care for the working poor (people who make too much for medicaid, but can't afford insurance). Efforts aimed at improving these factors will reduce rates of T2D, albeit slowly. Meanwhile, for far too many their TD2 goes untreated until, sadly, they show up in an ER in crisis. Where yes, of course they should receive treatment.
Covid is different. Everyone (with very few exceptions) getting a simple shot greatly reduces the massive strain on our ERs, ICU's, and healthcare system and economy in general. We've been requiring vaccines for children for years; there is little difference. And yes, not much different different than requiring seatbelts and motorcycle helmets.
How...better yet WHY do you find the time to "argue" with someone like that? Just let them go.....
it’s a few paragraphs - it took about two minutes. I don’t know, part of me thinks there’s still hope for some people?
Got it. You’ve just decided to pick and choose disease states where the government should mandate private healthcare decisions. That’s what I thought. I love how you’re so willing to trade other people’s personal freedom and private healthcare decisions based upon your own personal set of values and criteria. That’s really classy of you. Interesting. I think that’s called facism.
Fascism : a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government.
don’t be hyperbolic. If a vaccine mandate makes a country fascist state then we’ve been a fascist country for a long time as we’ve had vaccine requirements for a long time. You’re being silly, so it’s hard to take anything you say seriously now.
Do you have kids? Are they allowed to go to school without required vaccines? The fact that there was pushback (at times successful) on vaccine requirements during the CV19 pandemics notwithstanding, vaccine "mandates" (a distinction without a difference) have been around for decades.
You started your comments claiming that people shouldn’t be able to work in this industry unless they view this issue exactly as you do. [/QUOTE]
You have not answered this question: How can you tell your docs to trust what the FDA says about the med you're promoting while at the same time believing the FDA can't be trusted when it comes to CV19 vaccine? You can't. And no one should be ok with having a job that is at odds with their beliefs.
And since then, you’ve gone on to state “facts” that aren’t even remotely true. [/QUOTE]
enumerate these for me please
Now, it’s time for you to go sell something and quit talking to your docs about vaccine mandates. You can still do that, right?[/QUOTE]
My performance against objective is very good, despite tremendous access/coverage challenges. Yours? And my post are submitted during non-work hours, I can't account for the time they actually get through the monitors and appear.