WHC reorganization is here!

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anonymous said:
Reality Check, it's just lipstick on a pig.
Willy has come in and slashed egos, struck the match to set it all on fire, and set the table for a mass exodus.

The two falling the most from high atop their pedestals, Katie VP of Sales and Kenny. VP of Business Development. They are now glorified RBMs.
The SAKs, Senior Ass Kissers Brian, Craig, Jessica, and Molly all went from Directors to glorified RBMs.
The JAKs, Junior Ass Kissers RALs and BDLs are now Reps.
And a shit ton of other JAKs, the old RBMs, were cut and stabbed in the back by the SAKs who should have been cut but all kept the jobs for themselves.
All of us in the field are taking a big cut in IC and the managers we appreciated are now gone and we're stuck with SAKs who are back stabbers and have no loyalty to their people, just look at what they just did to their people. Fucking back stabbers.

Katie and Kenny will and should be gone soon. VP to RBM on the resume isn't impressive but neither is 3 years of 85% to plan.
SAKs went from Director roles and sitting in meetings all day to being RBMs and have no chance at Bill McLean's spot, so they likely will go.
And JAKs who were trending up and finally got out of the field and knocking on doors are back again and likely to go soon.
CSSs everywhere are out looking for new opportunities and ask anyone who has hired in the last two years, no one wants back in WHC so SAKs will not make any money with open territories. Its a shit show!

You can dress the pig up and make it look pretty, but its still a pig.
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anonymous said:
Reality Check, it's just lipstick on a pig.
Willy has come in and slashed egos, struck the match to set it all on fire, and set the table for a mass exodus.

The two falling the most from high atop their pedestals, Katie VP of Sales and Kenny. VP of Business Development. They are now glorified RBMs.
The SAKs, Senior Ass Kissers Brian, Craig, Jessica, and Molly all went from Directors to glorified RBMs.
The JAKs, Junior Ass Kissers RALs and BDLs are now Reps.
And a shit ton of other JAKs, the old RBMs, were cut and stabbed in the back by the SAKs who should have been cut but all kept the jobs for themselves.
All of us in the field are taking a big cut in IC and the managers we appreciated are now gone and we're stuck with SAKs who are back stabbers and have no loyalty to their people, just look at what they just did to their people. Fucking back stabbers.

Katie and Kenny will and should be gone soon. VP to RBM on the resume isn't impressive but neither is 3 years of 85% to plan.
SAKs went from Director roles and sitting in meetings all day to being RBMs and have no chance at Bill McLean's spot, so they likely will go.
And JAKs who were trending up and finally got out of the field and knocking on doors are back again and likely to go soon.
CSSs everywhere are out looking for new opportunities and ask anyone who has hired in the last two years, no one wants back in WHC so SAKs will not make any money with open territories. Its a shit show!

You can dress the pig up and make it look pretty, but its still a pig.
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holy sh*t! This person has NAILED it. Bravo. Unfortunately this is the best post in the history of CP. Bayer is now a skeleton of what it once was. I feel bad for all the people let go and got backstabbed!
 












anonymous said:
Reality Check, it's just lipstick on a pig.
Willy has come in and slashed egos, struck the match to set it all on fire, and set the table for a mass exodus.

The two falling the most from high atop their pedestals, Katie VP of Sales and Kenny. VP of Business Development. They are now glorified RBMs.
The SAKs, Senior Ass Kissers Brian, Craig, Jessica, and Molly all went from Directors to glorified RBMs.
The JAKs, Junior Ass Kissers RALs and BDLs are now Reps.
And a shit ton of other JAKs, the old RBMs, were cut and stabbed in the back by the SAKs who should have been cut but all kept the jobs for themselves.
All of us in the field are taking a big cut in IC and the managers we appreciated are now gone and we're stuck with SAKs who are back stabbers and have no loyalty to their people, just look at what they just did to their people. Fucking back stabbers.

Katie and Kenny will and should be gone soon. VP to RBM on the resume isn't impressive but neither is 3 years of 85% to plan.
SAKs went from Director roles and sitting in meetings all day to being RBMs and have no chance at Bill McLean's spot, so they likely will go.
And JAKs who were trending up and finally got out of the field and knocking on doors are back again and likely to go soon.
CSSs everywhere are out looking for new opportunities and ask anyone who has hired in the last two years, no one wants back in WHC so SAKs will not make any money with open territories. Its a shit show!

You can dress the pig up and make it look pretty, but its still a pig.
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Egos may have been slashed but their paychecks weren't. Katie and Kenny are probably taking a deep breath and glad they are done with the clown show. Being an RBM with VP pay isn't so bad.
 












anonymous said:
Reality Check, it's just lipstick on a pig.
Willy has come in and slashed egos, struck the match to set it all on fire, and set the table for a mass exodus.

The two falling the most from high atop their pedestals, Katie VP of Sales and Kenny. VP of Business Development. They are now glorified RBMs.
The SAKs, Senior Ass Kissers Brian, Craig, Jessica, and Molly all went from Directors to glorified RBMs.
The JAKs, Junior Ass Kissers RALs and BDLs are now Reps.
And a shit ton of other JAKs, the old RBMs, were cut and stabbed in the back by the SAKs who should have been cut but all kept the jobs for themselves.
All of us in the field are taking a big cut in IC and the managers we appreciated are now gone and we're stuck with SAKs who are back stabbers and have no loyalty to their people, just look at what they just did to their people. Fucking back stabbers.

Katie and Kenny will and should be gone soon. VP to RBM on the resume isn't impressive but neither is 3 years of 85% to plan.
SAKs went from Director roles and sitting in meetings all day to being RBMs and have no chance at Bill McLean's spot, so they likely will go.
And JAKs who were trending up and finally got out of the field and knocking on doors are back again and likely to go soon.
CSSs everywhere are out looking for new opportunities and ask anyone who has hired in the last two years, no one wants back in WHC so SAKs will not make any money with open territories. Its a shit show!

You can dress the pig up and make it look pretty, but it’s still a pig.
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some of the JAKS were horrible to those of us in the field. They didn’t have a clue how to take care of their people and were only good at kissing the ass above them. It was a game to them where they were only here to promote themselves. They have a very slim chance at the roles that will be available.
 






anonymous said:
Reality Check, it's just lipstick on a pig.
Willy has come in and slashed egos, struck the match to set it all on fire, and set the table for a mass exodus.

The two falling the most from high atop their pedestals, Katie VP of Sales and Kenny. VP of Business Development. They are now glorified RBMs.
The SAKs, Senior Ass Kissers Brian, Craig, Jessica, and Molly all went from Directors to glorified RBMs.
The JAKs, Junior Ass Kissers RALs and BDLs are now Reps.
And a shit ton of other JAKs, the old RBMs, were cut and stabbed in the back by the SAKs who should have been cut but all kept the jobs for themselves.
All of us in the field are taking a big cut in IC and the managers we appreciated are now gone and we're stuck with SAKs who are back stabbers and have no loyalty to their people, just look at what they just did to their people. Fucking back stabbers.

Katie and Kenny will and should be gone soon. VP to RBM on the resume isn't impressive but neither is 3 years of 85% to plan.
SAKs went from Director roles and sitting in meetings all day to being RBMs and have no chance at Bill McLean's spot, so they likely will go.
And JAKs who were trending up and finally got out of the field and knocking on doors are back again and likely to go soon.
CSSs everywhere are out looking for new opportunities and ask anyone who has hired in the last two years, no one wants back in WHC so SAKs will not make any money with open territories. Its a shit show!

You can dress the pig up and make it look pretty, but its still a pig.
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let’s be honest. Some of the JAKS were not good leaders at all. They did nothing other than promote themselves. They caused turmoil on their teams and spent a lot of their time wreaking havoc. The JAKs were good at kissing ass but that is how they landed their gig in the first place. Look at the turnover on some of the teams. Some of us are quite relieved we will not be reporting to them anymore. We have had so many new team members it’s silly. Those JAKs having to compete for a role is poetic justice. There will be much more qualified candidates than those JAKs
 






Our team was lucky and had a really good RBM. It is a shame what happened to the good one's. Really hope the good ones land a place in the DSO model because they do deserve to continue to be here. Not sure they will want to.
 






anonymous said:
Reality Check, it's just lipstick on a pig.
Willy has come in and slashed egos, struck the match to set it all on fire, and set the table for a mass exodus.

The two falling the most from high atop their pedestals, Katie VP of Sales and Kenny. VP of Business Development. They are now glorified RBMs.
The SAKs, Senior Ass Kissers Brian, Craig, Jessica, and Molly all went from Directors to glorified RBMs.
The JAKs, Junior Ass Kissers RALs and BDLs are now Reps.
And a shit ton of other JAKs, the old RBMs, were cut and stabbed in the back by the SAKs who should have been cut but all kept the jobs for themselves.
All of us in the field are taking a big cut in IC and the managers we appreciated are now gone and we're stuck with SAKs who are back stabbers and have no loyalty to their people, just look at what they just did to their people. Fucking back stabbers.

Katie and Kenny will and should be gone soon. VP to RBM on the resume isn't impressive but neither is 3 years of 85% to plan.
SAKs went from Director roles and sitting in meetings all day to being RBMs and have no chance at Bill McLean's spot, so they likely will go.
And JAKs who were trending up and finally got out of the field and knocking on doors are back again and likely to go soon.
CSSs everywhere are out looking for new opportunities and ask anyone who has hired in the last two years, no one wants back in WHC so SAKs will not make any money with open territories. Its a shit show!

You can dress the pig up and make it look pretty, but its still a pig.
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Is anyone surprised? This is how ZS works. It’s where is business, what is our current ROI per rep we are looking to get and where do have people located based on territory cuts. There is no rhyme or reason for it. Very very few decisions made by people of who stays and who goes.
If anyone at this point in the pharma game thinks others wise or is not aware they are delusional.
There is always good people
Let go and not so good people that get to keep their jobs.
Unfortunately in this case , it might be the biggest leadership cut I’ve ever seen. Bad news is our CEO has already stated this is step 1 in cuts and more will be had probably later this year. First step
Was middle management. Next will be rep cuts. Hope you are a rep that was gifted major accounts because they will be the ones keeping jobs later this year.
 






anonymous said:
Is anyone surprised? This is how ZS works. It’s where is business, what is our current ROI per rep we are looking to get and where do have people located based on territory cuts. There is no rhyme or reason for it. Very very few decisions made by people of who stays and who goes.
If anyone at this point in the pharma game thinks others wise or is not aware they are delusional.
There is always good people
Let go and not so good people that get to keep their jobs.
Unfortunately in this case , it might be the biggest leadership cut I’ve ever seen. Bad news is our CEO has already stated this is step 1 in cuts and more will be had probably later this year. First step
Was middle management. Next will be rep cuts. Hope you are a rep that was gifted major accounts because they will be the ones keeping jobs later this year.
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You may be right, but there is going to be a mass exodus so future cuts may be less impactful. There are so many really talented people in WHC, who are generally complacent with the entire process of looking elsewhere. They stay and take the path of least resistance and for many it's all they've known for 15-20+ years. This change however will likely be the motivating factor for many of them to not only look elsewhere but realize there are much better opportunities out there. Bayer has been a great place to work, that place has changed dramatically, and many will look for the next great place. They will find it.
 






anonymous said:
SAMs are not the magic bullet. they may be helpful over time, but I have not seen any direct impact to results.

You need local reps to pull everything through.

we are salespeople! Let us Sell, sell, sell. The PDR is Complete BS at this time.

It’s going to be hard to focus on selling when I don’t feel this company has my back.

Chelsea and Nelson are big fat liers! They know!!!
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LOLOLOLO!!!!!!! THE TERRIBLE MANAGER WAS JUST DEMOTED!!!!!!! KARMA IS BEAUTIFUL!!!!
 












anonymous said:
You may be right, but there is going to be a mass exodus so future cuts may be less impactful. There are so many really talented people in WHC, who are generally complacent with the entire process of looking elsewhere. They stay and take the path of least resistance and for many it's all they've known for 15-20+ years. This change however will likely be the motivating factor for many of them to not only look elsewhere but realize there are much better opportunities out there. Bayer has been a great place to work, that place has changed dramatically, and many will look for the next great place. They will find it.
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This is spot on. Left less than a year ago and grass is just as green or greener. The best part is far less back stabbers. Very few managers or directors at Bayer had loyalty to anyone but themselves. They talked a lot but when it came time to act, they will plunge the knife in your back without hesitation. I feel so bad for a lot of really good managers that were loyal and got betrayed. Glad I am gone and best of luck to many good people out looking now.
 












About 30 territories cut
Most managers cut
RALs saved
Potato Katie demoted:)
The ever self promoter Kenny (lessons from Chelsea) demoted
Red rat demoted
The rest of the ABDs demoted
CSS cur with RALs prioritized

Perfect example of Bayer eating their own

those surviving MUST produce
 












anonymous said:
This is spot on. Left less than a year ago and grass is just as green or greener. The best part is far less back stabbers. Very few managers or directors at Bayer had loyalty to anyone but themselves. They talked a lot but when it came time to act, they will plunge the knife in your back without hesitation. I feel so bad for a lot of really good managers that were loyal and got betrayed. Glad I am gone and best of luck to many good people out looking now.[/QUOTE


This is so accurate . My opinion is the hogs keep getting fatter and they are slaughtering the pigs. So basically Bayer is saving their senior leaders while they remove the lower rung. In theory they think it will work but those leaders have been here so long, are the highest paid and yet we have had no real change so this will be more of the same for the future of our company. Even if I am here not, I don’t trust anyone and have no loyalty to our disgusting leadership. Shame on all those leaders who stole roles from their reports only to save themselves. They should be ashamed of themselves and disgusted with an organization that would allow it to happen. No future here and not confident in this organizations decision making skills anymore.
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Merry Christmas to all you backstabbing Squad Leaders! Hope your stockings are filled with coal, and you choke on your Christmas ham. You put a lot of people out of work and ruined their Christmas and their kids and families, hope you think about that on Christmas morning while you enjoy your day with your children and family. Hope you can live with yourselves.
 






anonymous said:
Merry Christmas to all you backstabbing Squad Leaders! Hope your stockings are filled with coal, and you choke on your Christmas ham. You put a lot of people out of work and ruined their Christmas and their kids and families, hope you think about that on Christmas morning while you enjoy your day with your children and family. Hope you can live with yourselves.
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My org has not been affected in this round. I am so sorry to hear about colleagues losing jobs right before the holidays.. So many toxic people in the leadership positions. Judging by their lack of worry, I can tell they are keeping their jobs
 






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