Vaccine Mandate - September 30th

There is political posturing, without a doubt. But the real reason is that pharma and government just closed the biggest business deal ever… The government wants to conduct the biggest compliance test ever with this pandemic, and to do that they need to buy vaccines/ PCR tests from pharma. In a public emergency, pharma is IMMUNE from liability for any harm from products they rush out… hmmm, huge upside with no downsides…

Mandatory vaccines = greater demand for pharma products. It’s classic I’ll scratch your back if you scratch mine ;), We grant you EUAs, you help us pressure the masses into compliance, which ultimately means more money in your pocket, especially with those booster doses…. It’s a win-win. That’s what they mean by “We’re all in this together”

follow the science? Lol sure we’ll do that… because where money goes, science follows


Sure so wouldn't the drug makers have incentive to create a safe and effective vaccine so more people stay alive so they can sell more drugs to them over many years of their lives? Can't sell dead people drugs so the manufacturers have a long term financial incentive to make a safe and effective vaccine.
 




Not surprising in the least, given the “leadership” at GNE. I choose retirement, but they will have to fire me so when the shit hits the fan on these vaccines, I will be part of the class lawsuit.



totally agree
 








Hi, I worked in vaccine sales for another company for over a decade. Perhaps I can point out a few things that will help this discussion.

A vaccine is supposed to help your body make antibodies. Antibodies to the specific antigen that you are exposed to. It’s quite simple. So with all the standard recommended pediatric and adult vaccines, when you get a shot - you’re getting the antigen, whether it is an inactivated virus or small part of the virus/bacteria. Your body then responds by developing antibodies, and the antibodies protect you from future infection.

Now with the mRNA vaccine, the distinction is that you’re not getting the antigen in the shot, you’re getting the instructions for making the antigen. And then you make the antigen in your own body. All the standard vaccines you’ve gotten do not work like that. They give you the antigen already made -which is simpler and cleaner.

With the mRNA vaccines, the mRNA in the vaccine gives your cells instructions to make the antigen/spike protein. Once that happens, your body reacts by developing antibodies to the spike protein. The mRNA itself is supposed to self-destruct after the instructions is given (so it doesn’t linger and keep making spike protein in your body, which you wouldn’t want once you’ve developed antibodies). CDC has a nice image illustrating how the mRNA vaccine works - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/vaccines/COVID-19-mRNA-infographic_G_508.pdf

The potential concern with mRNA vaccine has to do with what may possibly go wrong in the “making the spike protein part”. While mRNA technology has been used in cancer therapy, using it to make the antigen for a vaccine is completely novel. Once again, with standard vaccines, we don’t make the antigen in our body, we just get the antigen in the shot.

I’m not a doctor or PhD, so I asked my friends in medical to explain to me in plain English what the concerns are. What I was told, to put it simply, is that if something goes awry in the “making the spike protein” part, such as the mRNA goes somewhere in the body it’s not supposed to and then instruct cells to make spike protein where you wouldn’t want your own antibodies attacking, you essentially have an autoimmune phenomenon where your body is attacking its own cells. This concern also applies to the J&J viral vector vaccine. mRNA vaccines and viral vector vaccines differ only in how they get your body to make the spike protein. Either way, you’re making the spike protein.

I sold vaccines for a long time, and I believe in the science, so I got it knowing that this vaccine is very different. Since my family was nervous about getting vaccinated, and COVID-19 cases were high where I live, I was the first to get it. I got 2 does of the Pfizer vaccine, and I didn’t have any side effects other than a slight fever. My wife chose not to get vaccinated since we’re trying to have another baby, and she’s nervous about everything she puts in her body, and I respect that. For the rest of my family, it’s a mixed, some people got vaccinated and some didn’t. We agreed that we wouldn’t pressure each other. Everyone has to make their own decision based on their own health and their individual risks vs benefits. I think it’s really important to understand how these vaccines work to make an informed decision. I’m sharing my story in hopes that the vaccinated and unvaccinated can be more understanding of each other’s perspective.
 




Sure so wouldn't the drug makers have incentive to create a safe and effective vaccine so more people stay alive so they can sell more drugs to them over many years of their lives? Can't sell dead people drugs so the manufacturers have a long term financial incentive to make a safe and effective vaccine.

I never got the sense that our leaders care about what happens long term… on average, they’re around for 2-5 years and then it’s adios for the next adventure… think about transformation and the shit hole they leave behind when they move on to be VP somewhere else… the masses are left with the mess
 
















Hi, I worked in vaccine sales for another company for over a decade. Perhaps I can point out a few things that will help this discussion.

A vaccine is supposed to help your body make antibodies. Antibodies to the specific antigen that you are exposed to. It’s quite simple. So with all the standard recommended pediatric and adult vaccines, when you get a shot - you’re getting the antigen, whether it is an inactivated virus or small part of the virus/bacteria. Your body then responds by developing antibodies, and the antibodies protect you from future infection.

Now with the mRNA vaccine, the distinction is that you’re not getting the antigen in the shot, you’re getting the instructions for making the antigen. And then you make the antigen in your own body. All the standard vaccines you’ve gotten do not work like that. They give you the antigen already made -which is simpler and cleaner.

With the mRNA vaccines, the mRNA in the vaccine gives your cells instructions to make the antigen/spike protein. Once that happens, your body reacts by developing antibodies to the spike protein. The mRNA itself is supposed to self-destruct after the instructions is given (so it doesn’t linger and keep making spike protein in your body, which you wouldn’t want once you’ve developed antibodies). CDC has a nice image illustrating how the mRNA vaccine works - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/vaccines/COVID-19-mRNA-infographic_G_508.pdf

The potential concern with mRNA vaccine has to do with what may possibly go wrong in the “making the spike protein part”. While mRNA technology has been used in cancer therapy, using it to make the antigen for a vaccine is completely novel. Once again, with standard vaccines, we don’t make the antigen in our body, we just get the antigen in the shot.

I’m not a doctor or PhD, so I asked my friends in medical to explain to me in plain English what the concerns are. What I was told, to put it simply, is that if something goes awry in the “making the spike protein” part, such as the mRNA goes somewhere in the body it’s not supposed to and then instruct cells to make spike protein where you wouldn’t want your own antibodies attacking, you essentially have an autoimmune phenomenon where your body is attacking its own cells. This concern also applies to the J&J viral vector vaccine. mRNA vaccines and viral vector vaccines differ only in how they get your body to make the spike protein. Either way, you’re making the spike protein.

I sold vaccines for a long time, and I believe in the science, so I got it knowing that this vaccine is very different. Since my family was nervous about getting vaccinated, and COVID-19 cases were high where I live, I was the first to get it. I got 2 does of the Pfizer vaccine, and I didn’t have any side effects other than a slight fever. My wife chose not to get vaccinated since we’re trying to have another baby, and she’s nervous about everything she puts in her body, and I respect that. For the rest of my family, it’s a mixed, some people got vaccinated and some didn’t. We agreed that we wouldn’t pressure each other. Everyone has to make their own decision based on their own health and their individual risks vs benefits. I think it’s really important to understand how these vaccines work to make an informed decision. I’m sharing my story in hopes that the vaccinated and unvaccinated can be more understanding of each other’s perspective.


Thanks for this info! Helpful. Do you know anything about the new one that's supposedly coming out soon?
 




Hi, I worked in vaccine sales for another company for over a decade. Perhaps I can point out a few things that will help this discussion.

A vaccine is supposed to help your body make antibodies. Antibodies to the specific antigen that you are exposed to. It’s quite simple. So with all the standard recommended pediatric and adult vaccines, when you get a shot - you’re getting the antigen, whether it is an inactivated virus or small part of the virus/bacteria. Your body then responds by developing antibodies, and the antibodies protect you from future infection.

Now with the mRNA vaccine, the distinction is that you’re not getting the antigen in the shot, you’re getting the instructions for making the antigen. And then you make the antigen in your own body. All the standard vaccines you’ve gotten do not work like that. They give you the antigen already made -which is simpler and cleaner.

With the mRNA vaccines, the mRNA in the vaccine gives your cells instructions to make the antigen/spike protein. Once that happens, your body reacts by developing antibodies to the spike protein. The mRNA itself is supposed to self-destruct after the instructions is given (so it doesn’t linger and keep making spike protein in your body, which you wouldn’t want once you’ve developed antibodies). CDC has a nice image illustrating how the mRNA vaccine works - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/vaccines/COVID-19-mRNA-infographic_G_508.pdf

The potential concern with mRNA vaccine has to do with what may possibly go wrong in the “making the spike protein part”. While mRNA technology has been used in cancer therapy, using it to make the antigen for a vaccine is completely novel. Once again, with standard vaccines, we don’t make the antigen in our body, we just get the antigen in the shot.

I’m not a doctor or PhD, so I asked my friends in medical to explain to me in plain English what the concerns are. What I was told, to put it simply, is that if something goes awry in the “making the spike protein” part, such as the mRNA goes somewhere in the body it’s not supposed to and then instruct cells to make spike protein where you wouldn’t want your own antibodies attacking, you essentially have an autoimmune phenomenon where your body is attacking its own cells. This concern also applies to the J&J viral vector vaccine. mRNA vaccines and viral vector vaccines differ only in how they get your body to make the spike protein. Either way, you’re making the spike protein.

I sold vaccines for a long time, and I believe in the science, so I got it knowing that this vaccine is very different. Since my family was nervous about getting vaccinated, and COVID-19 cases were high where I live, I was the first to get it. I got 2 does of the Pfizer vaccine, and I didn’t have any side effects other than a slight fever. My wife chose not to get vaccinated since we’re trying to have another baby, and she’s nervous about everything she puts in her body, and I respect that. For the rest of my family, it’s a mixed, some people got vaccinated and some didn’t. We agreed that we wouldn’t pressure each other. Everyone has to make their own decision based on their own health and their individual risks vs benefits. I think it’s really important to understand how these vaccines work to make an informed decision. I’m sharing my story in hopes that the vaccinated and unvaccinated can be more understanding of each other’s perspective.

Thanks for sharing. This is exactly why the mandate is wrong due to the lack of long-term safety data - let's take politics out of the debate. As we all know in this industry, all FDA approved drugs need to have a drug safety program in place to ensure long-term safety. For some drugs with more certainties from the limited clinical trial data, REMS program is a post-approval requirement. Why is this not brought up by our science community? Where are our experts from drug safety?
 




Thanks for sharing. This is exactly why the mandate is wrong due to the lack of long-term safety data - let's take politics out of the debate. As we all know in this industry, all FDA approved drugs need to have a drug safety program in place to ensure long-term safety. For some drugs with more certainties from the limited clinical trial data, REMS program is a post-approval requirement. Why is this not brought up by our science community? Where are our experts from drug safety?


People tend to forget history let alone what happened a year ago. Then President Trump expedited the making of the vaccines which by the Democrats was dire. Fast forward to now, 80 percent so far has been vaccinated. Thanks to that wonderful man. So the don’t play politics won’t slide since politics will always be played. That’s reality. Take the shot. Get vaccinated. They will be FDA approved soon.
 












Hi, I worked in vaccine sales for another company for over a decade. Perhaps I can point out a few things that will help this discussion.

A vaccine is supposed to help your body make antibodies. Antibodies to the specific antigen that you are exposed to. It’s quite simple. So with all the standard recommended pediatric and adult vaccines, when you get a shot - you’re getting the antigen, whether it is an inactivated virus or small part of the virus/bacteria. Your body then responds by developing antibodies, and the antibodies protect you from future infection.

Now with the mRNA vaccine, the distinction is that you’re not getting the antigen in the shot, you’re getting the instructions for making the antigen. And then you make the antigen in your own body. All the standard vaccines you’ve gotten do not work like that. They give you the antigen already made -which is simpler and cleaner.

With the mRNA vaccines, the mRNA in the vaccine gives your cells instructions to make the antigen/spike protein. Once that happens, your body reacts by developing antibodies to the spike protein. The mRNA itself is supposed to self-destruct after the instructions is given (so it doesn’t linger and keep making spike protein in your body, which you wouldn’t want once you’ve developed antibodies). CDC has a nice image illustrating how the mRNA vaccine works - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/vaccines/COVID-19-mRNA-infographic_G_508.pdf

The potential concern with mRNA vaccine has to do with what may possibly go wrong in the “making the spike protein part”. While mRNA technology has been used in cancer therapy, using it to make the antigen for a vaccine is completely novel. Once again, with standard vaccines, we don’t make the antigen in our body, we just get the antigen in the shot.

I’m not a doctor or PhD, so I asked my friends in medical to explain to me in plain English what the concerns are. What I was told, to put it simply, is that if something goes awry in the “making the spike protein” part, such as the mRNA goes somewhere in the body it’s not supposed to and then instruct cells to make spike protein where you wouldn’t want your own antibodies attacking, you essentially have an autoimmune phenomenon where your body is attacking its own cells. This concern also applies to the J&J viral vector vaccine. mRNA vaccines and viral vector vaccines differ only in how they get your body to make the spike protein. Either way, you’re making the spike protein.

I sold vaccines for a long time, and I believe in the science, so I got it knowing that this vaccine is very different. Since my family was nervous about getting vaccinated, and COVID-19 cases were high where I live, I was the first to get it. I got 2 does of the Pfizer vaccine, and I didn’t have any side effects other than a slight fever. My wife chose not to get vaccinated since we’re trying to have another baby, and she’s nervous about everything she puts in her body, and I respect that. For the rest of my family, it’s a mixed, some people got vaccinated and some didn’t. We agreed that we wouldn’t pressure each other. Everyone has to make their own decision based on their own health and their individual risks vs benefits. I think it’s really important to understand how these vaccines work to make an informed decision. I’m sharing my story in hopes that the vaccinated and unvaccinated can be more understanding of each other’s perspective.

There is no understanding of not getting the vaccine unless you are truly contraindicated. At this point we would have seen any substantial design and manufacturing flaws with the amount of vaccinations that have been administered world wide and we quite simply are not seeing it. Your argument is ok, I guess, if you are talking about being the first folks to get inoculated back in Jan/Feb. It is the middle of August and we have not seen any evidence of any unexpected or massive amounts of untoward AR's. So the 'i don't want to be a guinea pig' defense is over at this point.

Over 4.5 Billion people have been vaccinated...that is arguably the largest sample size of any drug ever to show safety and efficacy.
 








There is no understanding of not getting the vaccine unless you are truly contraindicated. At this point we would have seen any substantial design and manufacturing flaws with the amount of vaccinations that have been administered world wide and we quite simply are not seeing it. Your argument is ok, I guess, if you are talking about being the first folks to get inoculated back in Jan/Feb. It is the middle of August and we have not seen any evidence of any unexpected or massive amounts of untoward AR's. So the 'i don't want to be a guinea pig' defense is over at this point.

Over 4.5 Billion people have been vaccinated...that is arguably the largest sample size of any drug ever to show safety and efficacy.
 












There is no understanding of not getting the vaccine unless you are truly contraindicated. At this point we would have seen any substantial design and manufacturing flaws with the amount of vaccinations that have been administered world wide and we quite simply are not seeing it. Your argument is ok, I guess, if you are talking about being the first folks to get inoculated back in Jan/Feb. It is the middle of August and we have not seen any evidence of any unexpected or massive amounts of untoward AR's. So the 'i don't want to be a guinea pig' defense is over at this point.

Over 4.5 Billion people have been vaccinated...that is arguably the largest sample size of any drug ever to show safety and efficacy.

Let’s be realistic here the safety reporting has been minimal at best. Docs don’t like reporting AEs because it creates a ton of paperwork and while patients can report them most don’t know how to. Numerous friends, colleagues at this company and family members that I know had an AE in some cases severe and lasting. Most of their docs said “well it could be related to the vaccine but I’m not sure” (so they don’t have to report it). It’s easy to say 4.5 billion people have been vaccinated or 170 million in the US, where you would hope safety reporting is at its best. But even the short term safety data is questionable and long term is null. For those of us who know someone who suffered a major AE those stats don’t matter. I’m the sole breadwinner and I’m at high risk to have an AE due to underlying health issues so is Gene going to take care of my family when something happens. Nope, ER won’t even admit they are mandating it, they act like it’s still a choice chucking any responsibility if something goes south. Typical coward move in true Gene style.