the next person up is going to be tasked with headcount reductions. It’ll probably be NK or CC - people who believe in outsourcing working out to Ashfield or making everything digital.
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the next person up is going to be tasked with headcount reductions. It’ll probably be NK or CC - people who believe in outsourcing working out to Ashfield or making everything digital.
Bruhhhh have a basic 1:1 with me instead of thanking me on linkedin!!! Wow interviewing for new role flex huh??
- True Facts Nov 27, 2022 at 08:34: PM
First of all Ann Clark ("AC") is not just an incompetent micromanager - she is worse (many people have called her a bully who has been known to "quietly" harass people below her for a while and she is an expert at doing it below the radar so that it's not noticeable or spoken about - that's truly her key talent).
I heard enough over the past few months and know exceptionally talented people who were on this team who left and they hate Ann...in other words, they don't just dislike Ann or disrespect her, but they hate her. When someone evokes such intense emotions in others, that is not normal and says a lot that Ann is the common denominator here.
Also, many people who left said they never got an "exit interview" by Genentech HR which is a missed opportunity. These same people who left the company said that Ann Clark should have never been put in a position to manage other people. Kevin made a big mistake that still has ripple effects and harms the company. Note that a very senior former exec called Ann Clark "vindictive" and this should not to be taken lightly - such a personal trait is toxic (it doesn't make a good manager or a leader anywhere, never mind Genentech and for the MSL team).
So yeh, Ann is an incorrigible micromanager which is not a trait that can be coached out of you (you don't need to read HBR to know that this is just a bad trait that is not coachable and Ann shouldn't be a manager). Ann treats MSLs as if they are children (it's an embarrassment that someone like that is allowed to be in her role at Genentech) - truly harming the talent and the potential and just hurting the overall organization. She is just not a leader, not a manager - shouldn't be in this role.
- True Facts Nov 27, 2022 at 08:59: PM
Yes - 100% true "bullies her direct reports."
There is a great quote relating directly to Ann Clark:
"You don't lead by hitting people over the head - that's assault, not leadership."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
LOL - this is a great way to describe Ann Clark. And assault is exactly what she is very good at. Sorry to be so blunt but AC is just a toxic bully and a micromanager (without any characteristic to be a manager) - very few people like this can hide this long. It's just incredible that AC has gotten away with it for so long - doing this to her people totally under the radar and all while cozying up to her manager and people above her so they will never sense it (and she knows people are afraid to talk about it).
Want a laugh? Did you hear that she has had someone nominate her for the Leadership award? OMG - the only award she deserves to win is "Bullying & Micromanagement" award.
Finally, I feel conflicted on the point about her having been a good individual contributor in her past. Has she really produced measurably good results or received consistently positive feedback from her doctors?
Great individual contributors and great leaders are those people who make the rest of the team better. We all know that is not AC.
Who the heck is Anne? Wasn’t she in charge of the PDS surgical team? The thing with the FDA recall?…so she was responsible for finding out issues with the device and instead of firing her, we promoted her?
- True Facts Nov 30, 2022 at 09:18: PM
LOL!
Ohh man, great point!!!
I think the problem is that plenty of great folks left Genentech and they put Kevin in charge who did not know any better or did not have enough talent or options so he did good by AC.
Now during that very same time our manager Karen Colbert was also promoted and she is an awesome manager and just a good person to lead our team. Yet KC is shit-scared of AC on all the calls LOL! Ann bosses KC around and I just cannot believe that KC puts up with this bullshit as I would lose it.
Gotta say KC is people focused boss and our team respects her. Well at least Kevin made one decent decision promoting KC but pretty badly failed the MSL team east for sure. Everything I heard over the past few months just makes me cringe for them and I am sure talented folks will be leaving and running from AC which is sad.
AC seems like a nightmare ... we got some gems of an FD on the oncology side who are also crazy micromanagers, who still haven't stopped thinking that they are a super MSL that's what you get when you promote MSLs with limited yrs of actual MSL experience into management roles where all he cares about is goddamn numbers and spreadsheets (bringing over his BMS ways), with his politically correct statements and condescending tone when he speaks to you like hes the knower of all things. He tries to cover up his climber mentality by trying to be overtly liked or the "cool/chill" manager but his undertones of trying to control the narrative whether its about something the team needs or when ordering dinner it is clear to many of us that relinquishing control is not in your wheel-house. He is lucky because who is going to coach him? Certainly not CS, as he lives up her ass like a teachers pet and let alone you actually think she's coaching anyone!?!? It was so sad to see BB leave because he may have been the only one that could've possibly gotten thru to helping this FD improve on being better but now he thinks he coaching the new FD (SMH) ... to the new FD please dear God think for yourself and don't replicate what this FD is doing in the West!! You know who you are!
wow seems like Joni, Peggy, and Kevin really f*ed this place up.
I hope we get an inspirational leader, someone
1) who sees through the bs,
2) acknowledges reading these comments and acting on them,
3) calibrates mediocre managers so that they can be better leaders, 4) leads us
instead we’ll end up with BK, NK, or Chi C.
Went to usma mtg really looking forward to meeting two powerhouse asian woman leaders for the first time.
Met one and she was confidant, kind, down to earth and real - this board is just full of bullies saying terrible things about PH! She was nothing like what was said here (I'm sure I'll get hate for this post for even saying this), have you considered the possibility that she had changed/ grown because you know humans are capable of that.
Met the other and she couldn't give me the time of day (guess us MSLs aren't important enough) as she was too busy parading her boss around the reception. Its crazy how one interaction can tell you a lot about someone and their inability to connect with people and lack of truly wanting to genuinely care about creating real connectivity (which I thought was the purpose of the receptions).
I'm not trying to tear down another woman in this industry but just voicing my disappoint in the hopes that she cares enough to work on trying to develop genuine connections with the MSLs and be more present.
powerhouse ... far from it! Clearly this is someone who has not been here at genentech for that long!
Effing keyboard warriors that are internet bullies on this thread.. both on this FD and AC what is the need and others. You call these FDs toxic but take a look in the mirror some of you are on here writing disgusting things about your fellow coworkers they are human beings too. We talk about kids being bullies at school its clear that if their examples are some of you on here writing the nasty things you do about the people you work with its clear where they are learning it from. Some of the comments on these threads are yes critical but not written in a disgusting, immature, repulsive way but those that are, makes it really sad that the reality that some of the adults I work side by side with have a really dark, hurtful side to them that come out under the guise of anonymity - there is another human being on the other side of your comments. Yes let's have a forum to voice opinions feedback things that bother you but you can also do that without being abusive with a disregard for another human being.
nasty, repulsive, disgusting, immature..seems like you are already biased against most people posting here, so why do you even look at this thread?
Here are the facts:
1) Genentech has mediocre, inexperienced managers because of Joni Faucet; these managers that will benefit from training and feedback
2) there is a lack of consequences for manager’s actions, except for HA no one has been reprimanded - seems like AC is on the chopping blocks next and then someone from oncology. They should face the consequences of their actions!
3) there is no method for providing constructive feedback before things hit the fan and get on this thread.
4) Our HR team needs do a better job at fixing smaller issues before they become too big
None of these 4 facts deal with race, gender, or diversity. If you feel my comments are distasteful, I’m sorry that you feel that way. These 4 facts could have been discussed at the Medical meeting, instead of ZS-led clown fest
people are frustrated, fix the frustration - stop complaining about hurt feelings.
last post nailed it.
Joni is the cause of much of the decline in FMT with her poor hires. Kevin being one of the worst. Did not realize AC was such a micromanager. The FDs that are and should never be in a position to lead anyone are HP, LS, and BC. What a horrible toxic show they created.
Joni is the cause of much of the decline in FMT with her poor hires. Kevin being one of the worst. Did not realize AC was such a micromanager. The FDs that are and should never be in a position to lead anyone are HP, LS, and BC. What a horrible toxic show they created.
There should be consequences for senior leaders who behave inappropriately and for senior leaders that don't coach and curtail bad behavior of the leaders they manage. They are direct reflection of those they hired and being silent and not coaching them makes them complicit in the actions of their leaders. The likes of JF(male), NY, CS and RP!! Someone should come in and clean house at the top and hold people accountable. The reason people have to write this stuff on this online board "under the guise of anonymity" is because the aforementioned leaders are vindictive and retailiate when provided real actionable feedback. Alexander and the GEC if you are reading this there are some major problems with your senior leaders as well!
you don’t need to clean house. Cleaning house is too expensive. You need to instill a sense of accountability in people managers. Unless we shine light on their actions, and the effects on people and patients, there won’t be repercussions. We know the leaders see these threads, because they quickly act on it when it’s brought up here. I.e. removing HA from the company.
Genentech has lost several employee lawsuits (google search “Genentech lawsuit half a sandwich” or “Genentech lawsuit wrongful termination”), it just hasn’t happened in USMA. Given what we see on the thread and some of the mediocre managers, I wouldn’t be surprised for some in the future.
Fix the problem before it is a lawsuit.
Exxxxxxactly!
Keep your cool everyone, holidays are near - focus on your loved ones.
for people like AC: document everything, let her slip up, and then file a lawsuit.
Enjoy that 2X annual salary + emotional distress + legal fees courtesy of Roche - AC is Roche’s liability.
Keep your cool everyone, holidays are near - focus on your loved ones.
for people like AC: document everything, let her slip up, and then file a lawsuit.
Enjoy that 2X annual salary + emotional distress + legal fees courtesy of Roche - AC is Roche’s liability.