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Anonymous said:
So how much should Gleevec be priced? At what price does it become "greed"? Do you work for free? Have you ever asked your employer to pay you less? Do you give to charity? Do you ever pay more taxes than what is required? Are you greedy?
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Hahaha! That is very good! Of course this Moron doesn't work for free. I will bet they have some menial job and expect to be paid the same as a professional, a doctor or a lawyer because they feel entitled! They ARE greedy but don't believe in capitalism! I'm sick to death of entitlement and all the liberals ruining our country!
 




Anonymous said:
So how much should Gleevec be priced? At what price does it become "greed"? Do you work for free? Have you ever asked your employer to pay you less? Do you give to charity? Do you ever pay more taxes than what is required? Are you greedy?
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Novartis can price it as high as they want to provided the FREE MARKET allows consumers
to purchase/ import which ever version THEY WANT. So if they opt to buy it from India then that is their CHOICE to make. Once medicare D addresses this & allowing the the govt the FREEDOM to negotiate prices the same way they do for the VA then there will be no problem. Let Novartis charge $500,000.00 if they want.
We're all about FREEDOM here just like the founding fathers intended.
 








Anonymous said:
Novartis can price it as high as they want to provided the FREE MARKET allows consumers
to purchase/ import which ever version THEY WANT. So if they opt to buy it from India then that is their CHOICE to make. Once medicare D addresses this & allowing the the govt the FREEDOM to negotiate prices the same way they do for the VA then there will be no problem. Let Novartis charge $500,000.00 if they want.
We're all about FREEDOM here just like the founding fathers intended.
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Hey r*****, who is it that makes the rules? If government is not allowed to negotiate prices, who's fault is that?

"Allow the government freedom".... You libs so consistently crack me up with your distorted view of how this society functions.
 




Anonymous said:
Novartis can price it as high as they want to provided the FREE MARKET allows consumers
to purchase/ import which ever version THEY WANT. So if they opt to buy it from India then that is their CHOICE to make. Once medicare D addresses this & allowing the the govt the FREEDOM to negotiate prices the same way they do for the VA then there will be no problem. Let Novartis charge $500,000.00 if they want.
We're all about FREEDOM here just like the founding fathers intended.
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You libs are never about freedom. You are about the heavy hand of government. You want them to control everything. If you were about freedom, you would be against Obamacare. If you were all about freedom, you would be for getting government out of the business of medicine. You would be for LIMITED GOVERNMENT. But you are NOT. You want government to force everyone to buy insurance. You are a moron.
 




Anonymous said:
You libs are never about freedom. You are about the heavy hand of government. You want them to control everything. If you were about freedom, you would be against Obamacare. If you were all about freedom, you would be for getting government out of the business of medicine. You would be for LIMITED GOVERNMENT. But you are NOT. You want government to force everyone to buy insurance. You are a moron.
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You mean like the pharma lobby/corporatists used the heavy hand of govt via bribes to prevent medicare from negotiating prices screwing taxpayers & denied freedom for consumers/patients to purchase meds from wherever they desire? You are a boring clueless ignorant drone.
 








Anonymous said:
You mean like the pharma lobby/corporatists used the heavy hand of govt via bribes to prevent medicare from negotiating prices screwing taxpayers & denied freedom for consumers/patients to purchase meds from wherever they desire? You are a boring clueless ignorant drone.
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Well thank goodness unions have no lobbying power with this administration!!! So those that side with me are "…clueless ignorant drone(s)."? I'll say that it's preferable to being a spoiled, American punk who lives in a country that affords its citizens the best opportunities in this dysfunctional world to succeed, however at the same time, hates it.

If the last 6 years have illustrated anything, it has proven that government intervention and regulation is welcomed ONLY by those who lack personal accountability.

BTW, I'd quit posting on this thread because you have received a thorough ass-kicking.
 




Anonymous said:
You mean like the pharma lobby/corporatists used the heavy hand of govt via bribes to prevent medicare from negotiating prices screwing taxpayers & denied freedom for consumers/patients to purchase meds from wherever they desire? You are a boring clueless ignorant drone.
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Once again, you make a strong argument for getting government out of the business of healthcare. Absolute power (government), corrupts absolutely. This increasingly centralized, all-powerful, all-controlling federal government is bad for healthcare.... it's bad for freedom. Remember, freedom? The term you like to bastardize and manipulate when you think it can be used to justify more government control and intervention. Ask yourself a question.... is there any problem where the solution isn't more government? You libs seem to think government is the answer to every problem, when if you look objectively, government is the problem.
 




Anonymous said:
Novartis can price it as high as they want to provided the FREE MARKET allows consumers
to purchase/ import which ever version THEY WANT. So if they opt to buy it from India then that is their CHOICE to make. Once medicare D addresses this & allowing the the govt the FREEDOM to negotiate prices the same way they do for the VA then there will be no problem. Let Novartis charge $500,000.00 if they want.
We're all about FREEDOM here just like the founding fathers intended.
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One last thing... you have to absolutely LOVE how these lib drones uphold The VA as some model for success. LOL!!!
 




Anonymous said:
One last thing... you have to absolutely LOVE how these lib drones uphold The VA as some model for success. LOL!!!
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The VA pricing model for drugs which is what the discussion is about is a success
& you gotta love some corporate apologist defending this POS company that has committed criminal acts, fraud, bribery, shreds side affects, bogus studies, gender discrimination, off label marketing, gouging cancer patients, price fixing, corruption with govt officials globally ad nauseam but wait for it the retort of....this company has helped millions with it's redundant 2nd class me too's & it's whopping 10% investment in gleevec which it has already siphoned 35 billion from global healthcare systems. Douchebag
 




Anonymous said:
So how much should Gleevec be priced? At what price does it become "greed"? Do you work for free? Have you ever asked your employer to pay you less? Do you give to charity? Do you ever pay more taxes than what is required? Are you greedy?
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At this stage in its brand lifecycle, the cost of Gleevec should be manufacturing costs + 10%. Therefore, a Gleevec pill should have a ex-manufacture cost of 55 cents! So Novartis go F yourself, greedy criminals!
 












Anonymous said:
The VA pricing model for drugs which is what the discussion is about is a success
& you gotta love some corporate apologist defending this POS company that has committed criminal acts, fraud, bribery, shreds side affects, bogus studies, gender discrimination, off label marketing, gouging cancer patients, price fixing, corruption with govt officials globally ad nauseam but wait for it the retort of....this company has helped millions with it's redundant 2nd class me too's & it's whopping 10% investment in gleevec which it has already siphoned 35 billion from global healthcare systems. Douchebag
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Please explain to us the successful pricing model for drugs at The VA.
 




Hey to the Novartis person who disagreed that the US does not pay for world healthcare please read. It is getting harder and harder to post when you have complete brain dead representatives who really know nothing. Please read and educate yourself, stop making yourself look dumb.

The world is stiffing the US on healthcare
By Kenneth Thorpe
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Even if you believe that the recent news coverage on the price of cancer drugs was abysmally incomplete, you have to feel a measure of sympathy for the news producers. It’s difficult – in fact, virtually impossible – to explain a subject as complex as healthcare and the intricacies of pricing medical goods and services in a 15-minute segment. Knowing that comprehensive clarity was not doable, the report went for ratings. That’s the nature of the business.

But if it was the intention to paint a more complete picture of healthcare pricing, it would’ve been prudent to explain that every aspect of healthcare, not just pharmaceuticals, costs more in the United States. Positioning physicians at Sloan-Kettering Hospital in New York City as the heroes of their story on cancer drugs because those doctors refused to prescribe a medication they deemed overly expensive, what wasn’t reported is that those doctors get paid a good deal more than their counterparts in other countries. And Sloan-Kettering’s bills to patients and their insurance companies are also significantly higher than hospital charges in other countries. For instance the average cost of a hospital stay is five times higher in the United States compared to European countries. Costs are higher in the U.S. for a physician visit (three times that found in Europe). Procedures like a hip replacement in the U.S. cost more than $40,000, four times higher than countries like the United Kingdom and France.

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But these doctors and hospitals shouldn’t be villainized any more than U.S. pharmaceutical companies should. The simple, undeniable fact is that healthcare is more expensive in the United States because this country provides medical innovation for the world. Patients throughout the globe benefit from the pharmaceuticals, medical devices and innovative treatment approaches developed by U.S.-based manufacturers and healthcare providers, but pay less for them because their countries make liberal use of government price controls.
Is it fair that other nations don’t pay their share for the drugs, devices and treatments that yield longer and healthier lives? Of course it’s not. Should this be a priority in trade negotiations between our government and their counterparts in other capitals, ensuring that prices are set by the market and not by arbitrary price ceilings? Certainly. Spreading the financial responsibility for innovation among all those who benefit from it would lead to more equitable pricing worldwide and greater benefit ultimately.

Until that occurs, though, it’s foolhardy to point a finger at just one healthcare sector, and blame it for the high price of modern medicine. The fact is that pharmaceuticals represent around 10 percent of the nation’s total healthcare spending – and have been for more than 40 years. The drugs administered for a host of diseases, from cancer to diabetes to heart disease, many times actually save money by preventing more expensive acute procedures. Given that the primary outcomes of medical innovation are longer life, less disability, and better quality of life, it perplexes me that these benefits are almost always ignored in the analysis of prices of any number of medical goods and services.

Ours is a system that can and should continue to improve. Today, medications are highly affordable for the vast majority of patients and are key to keeping down overall healthcare costs. Within the Medicare Part D prescription drug program – a program that was called out during the segment -- average monthly premiums for seniors have remained around the $30 mark for the past four years with very manageable co-pays and deductibles. Not long ago, the Congressional Budget Office also recognized that greater use of medications associated with Medicare Part D actually resulted in a decrease in other medical costs for the Medicare program.

Other Americans are dependent upon the policy terms established by their health insurers, and those too are undergoing changes as a result of the Affordable Care Act.

In the short-term, steps need to be taken to make sure quality healthcare is accessible to all Americans. Over the long run, though, the key to continuing to benefit from innovation is to share the costs of modern medical innovation more equitably worldwide.
 




Anonymous said:
Like I said before.... You geniuses should be CEO somewhere. I am sure your company would go out of business in less than 6months. SPOT ON!
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Excessive greed clouds your moral compass!! A fair ROI is all patients demand in pharma pricing! As a rep, you should be ASHAMED of your industry and worthless job!!
 




Anonymous said:
Should all private construction companies be non-profit as well, seeing that they build buildings, garages and schools and renovations that are of the public's interest and good? How about the entire financial sector? Their investment strategies are what fatten our 401Ks and state-run pensions - out of the public good, should they be non-profit as well? What about all manufacturing of goods and services as they make the products we enjoy and need in life and oh don't forget Google and how much that is needed by the masses nowadays...

Go home Commie
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I'll vote for all universities to stop their crazy tuition increases too!

Oh, and doctors, hospital administrators, and pharmacists should all get minimum wage.

This fits the ridiculous premise of this thread and thinking health care should be non profit.
 




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