What do you like best about working at JBI?

Does everyone else feel the immense pressure here? And if you'r a rep in the 45-54 age you have a big target on your back. They're watching our every move, and you know the truth: Access is worse than ever, and doctors now look at Remicade like it's something you can tell them nothing new about. You might as well be trying to sell them ibuprofen.
I'm worried about making the 55 mark. I know a lot of reps aren't even banking on that anymore. Then I hear about the reps who have left and they're doing great and with no pressure or stress. How do you handle it? I could use some advice. Going crazy here!

Ok I'm going to provide you and senior leadership with the truth.
-MH is not out to try to save the organization money by beating you out of your pension. It (the $ liability) really is a very very small piece in a very big picture.
- At the MY and MH level they want to see numbers. If it comes from the 45-55 crew well then that is who they are going to retain. The truth is that no one demographic can make that boast. Some bad reps who thought this was social security needed to leave and most are now gone. Did we lose a few good reps while taking out the trash? You betcha.
- The win as one campaign was designed to foster teamwork. Did it fail? Yes. Why? The RBD and DM teams never backed the play. In fact many sought to undermine it from the beginning. Unfortunately that failure was blamed on many established reps when the managers were actually at fault.
- The credo and trust. Again the mid-level managers are feuding and fabricating cases against various reps of oth teams to further their personal agendas. If Leadership knew the undermining and fraud that occurred on a daily basis at the RBD & DM level there would be a house cleaning like the industry has never seen.
- Is there a future here? Probably not. JNJ has a history of not redeploying sales staff when a drugs life cycle ends. Sooner or later it will effect you. They prefer a fresh start and fresh faces as history has showed us. This is dependant upon how and if the President and VPs fight for their people to be retained. Case in point; Onc expansion and the demise of the hepC team. But honestly most of that displaced team were newer and younger. Had they been a senior sales level and above team my guess is they would have been layed-off.
- Is there increased scrutiny as you age here? Yes. If you you have been here for two years or more you have seen it. Most of us have even heard management discuss it. Regardless of pay and title, there are different expectations.
- Is JBI next for downsizing? Most likely. Unfortunately when the patent on Remicade is compromised and IF those biosims have success (this is very uncertain for the US) we will be downsized. I would estimate 30-40%. There just isn't enough JBI sector growth to offset the hit of several billions.
- Access is bad for most selling divisions and getting worse. From payers to medical groups the goal is the same to reduce the influence drug manufactures have on prescribing of branded products. This is likely to get worse for the JNJ and Pfizers of the industry. Access will actually grow for the manufacturer of bio-sims as payers will open access to them in order to save billions through physician education. So access to big Pharma in commodity markets will continue to shrink and emphasis will move to Science Liason roles requiring a Ph.D. and physician paid marketing advisory boards. Simply stated, your donut runs don't cut it anymore.
- Where to go? Try new and true biotechs that have innovative products in new markets. They are usually good for 15+ year runs if you know your stuff. Stay away from the segments that have 4 or more competitors. That is the tipping point to a commercial commodity market. Unless you are the lowest price and best access you will be spitting into the wind and your tenure will likely end in much frustration. If you want to be happy, follow this trail. The vast majority of JNJers have a career that ends very ugly here. JNJ is not recommended by the majority of independent recruiters for all the reasons I have stated.
 




Ok I'm going to provide you and senior leadership with the truth.
-MH is not out to try to save the organization money by beating you out of your pension. It (the $ liability) really is a very very small piece in a very big picture.
- At the MY and MH level they want to see numbers. If it comes from the 45-55 crew well then that is who they are going to retain. The truth is that no one demographic can make that boast. Some bad reps who thought this was social security needed to leave and most are now gone. Did we lose a few good reps while taking out the trash? You betcha.
- The win as one campaign was designed to foster teamwork. Did it fail? Yes. Why? The RBD and DM teams never backed the play. In fact many sought to undermine it from the beginning. Unfortunately that failure was blamed on many established reps when the managers were actually at fault.
- The credo and trust. Again the mid-level managers are feuding and fabricating cases against various reps of oth teams to further their personal agendas. If Leadership knew the undermining and fraud that occurred on a daily basis at the RBD & DM level there would be a house cleaning like the industry has never seen.
- Is there a future here? Probably not. JNJ has a history of not redeploying sales staff when a drugs life cycle ends. Sooner or later it will effect you. They prefer a fresh start and fresh faces as history has showed us. This is dependant upon how and if the President and VPs fight for their people to be retained. Case in point; Onc expansion and the demise of the hepC team. But honestly most of that displaced team were newer and younger. Had they been a senior sales level and above team my guess is they would have been layed-off.
- Is there increased scrutiny as you age here? Yes. If you you have been here for two years or more you have seen it. Most of us have even heard management discuss it. Regardless of pay and title, there are different expectations.
- Is JBI next for downsizing? Most likely. Unfortunately when the patent on Remicade is compromised and IF those biosims have success (this is very uncertain for the US) we will be downsized. I would estimate 30-40%. There just isn't enough JBI sector growth to offset the hit of several billions.
- Access is bad for most selling divisions and getting worse. From payers to medical groups the goal is the same to reduce the influence drug manufactures have on prescribing of branded products. This is likely to get worse for the JNJ and Pfizers of the industry. Access will actually grow for the manufacturer of bio-sims as payers will open access to them in order to save billions through physician education. So access to big Pharma in commodity markets will continue to shrink and emphasis will move to Science Liason roles requiring a Ph.D. and physician paid marketing advisory boards. Simply stated, your donut runs don't cut it anymore.
- Where to go? Try new and true biotechs that have innovative products in new markets. They are usually good for 15+ year runs if you know your stuff. Stay away from the segments that have 4 or more competitors. That is the tipping point to a commercial commodity market. Unless you are the lowest price and best access you will be spitting into the wind and your tenure will likely end in much frustration. If you want to be happy, follow this trail. The vast majority of JNJers have a career that ends very ugly here. JNJ is not recommended by the majority of independent recruiters for all the reasons I have stated.


Best assessment I think I could have read. There are still some legacy reps hanging here that are slackers now. I know in my region (NE) there are quite a few of them. They never do much but walk around in little cliques at the meetings and they contribute next to nothing. MH has them "on the radar," which is ironic because the saying up there has always been to "keep off the radar." I would like to see slackers like this go because we harder working reps (I'm younger but I have a strong work ethic) get demoralized when we know these old lazy reps are making more in base and they had never proved themselves.
I plan on staying here because I think the company has potential. But a major house cleaning is in order.
 












I'm with you! This is going to be the best NSM POA1 meeting ever. There isn't anything but positive news from here out!!! There will be lots of new tools for us to do even better in 2016. I'm going to make this the year of the firecracker!!! Straight to the top I go...weeeeeeee!
 




I'm with you! This is going to be the best NSM POA1 meeting ever. There isn't anything but positive news from here out!!! There will be lots of new tools for us to do even better in 2016. I'm going to make this the year of the firecracker!!! Straight to the top I go...weeeeeeee!


THIS is what I love to read! The morale here has finally turned! It just took getting rid of a bunch of the people who were holding us back. Remicade is poised to finally take off like it should of done years ago. There's lots of money to be made and I'm slicing off a big slice of that bonus pie! Cannot wait for the POA 1 Meeting….it will be like the Super Bowl!
 




THIS is what I love to read! The morale here has finally turned! It just took getting rid of a bunch of the people who were holding us back. Remicade is poised to finally take off like it should of done years ago. There's lots of money to be made and I'm slicing off a big slice of that bonus pie! Cannot wait for the POA 1 Meeting….it will be like the Super Bowl!


YEEHAW!!!!! WOO WEE!!!!
 




A few of the women in my region have been talking about getting cheerleader outfits and surprising MY and MH at the POA by wearing them to the general session and starting everyone cheering.
Normally, I like seeing chicks in cheerleader outfits. But in my region…ugh!
Guess which region I work in?
 




A few of the women in my region have been talking about getting cheerleader outfits and surprising MY and MH at the POA by wearing them to the general session and starting everyone cheering.
Normally, I like seeing chicks in cheerleader outfits. But in my region…ugh!
Guess which region I work in?

How rude! I'm sure you are a knock out. Please don't take our fun and focus away from POA1. Young guns rule!!!
 




I think we should come up with a great slogan that will make Marti and Michael proud of us at the meeting. Maybe we could get wristbands and t shirts made and not let them know until we are there. It would be such a great surprise for out leadership team and show them we are engaged! My team and I thought of this one. JBI stands for "Just Being Incredible!"
What do you think? Pretty good, right?
 





Well a few people might not like the idea but we would totally rock the meeting! Give me a J! Give me a B! Give me an I! What's that spell? I think the place would go crazy. We need to help our leadership motivate everyone in this great company!
 




A few of the women in my region have been talking about getting cheerleader outfits and surprising MY and MH at the POA by wearing them to the general session and starting everyone cheering.
Normally, I like seeing chicks in cheerleader outfits. But in my region…ugh!
Guess which region I work in?


I heard the guys were dressing up like Magic Mike and doing a dance off at the POA. Normally I like seeing a good dance off, but the guys who were chosen in my region are tools. With beer guts.
 




I heard the guys were dressing up like Magic Mike and doing a dance off at the POA. Normally I like seeing a good dance off, but the guys who were chosen in my region are tools. With beer guts.

I like the guys in that region with all the bodybuilder guys. Most women in the company won't admit it but we're always checking them out. My male friend told me that the region is terrible for women though. I know what he means. It's hag city there even with the Botox.
 




I like the guys in that region with all the bodybuilder guys. Most women in the company won't admit it but we're always checking them out. My male friend told me that the region is terrible for women though. I know what he means. It's hag city there even with the Botox.


Bodybuilders? Where?? Soft, jiggly, squishy in the middle doughboys are more like it. Guess corporate could always bring in some young buff men to boost morale and show the rest of you what bodybuilders really look like.
 




Ok I'm going to provide you and senior leadership with the truth.
-MH is not out to try to save the organization money by beating you out of your pension. It (the $ liability) really is a very very small piece in a very big picture.
- At the MY and MH level they want to see numbers. If it comes from the 45-55 crew well then that is who they are going to retain. The truth is that no one demographic can make that boast. Some bad reps who thought this was social security needed to leave and most are now gone. Did we lose a few good reps while taking out the trash? You betcha.
- The win as one campaign was designed to foster teamwork. Did it fail? Yes. Why? The RBD and DM teams never backed the play. In fact many sought to undermine it from the beginning. Unfortunately that failure was blamed on many established reps when the managers were actually at fault.
- The credo and trust. Again the mid-level managers are feuding and fabricating cases against various reps of oth teams to further their personal agendas. If Leadership knew the undermining and fraud that occurred on a daily basis at the RBD & DM level there would be a house cleaning like the industry has never seen.
- Is there a future here? Probably not. JNJ has a history of not redeploying sales staff when a drugs life cycle ends. Sooner or later it will effect you. They prefer a fresh start and fresh faces as history has showed us. This is dependant upon how and if the President and VPs fight for their people to be retained. Case in point; Onc expansion and the demise of the hepC team. But honestly most of that displaced team were newer and younger. Had they been a senior sales level and above team my guess is they would have been layed-off.
- Is there increased scrutiny as you age here? Yes. If you you have been here for two years or more you have seen it. Most of us have even heard management discuss it. Regardless of pay and title, there are different expectations.
- Is JBI next for downsizing? Most likely. Unfortunately when the patent on Remicade is compromised and IF those biosims have success (this is very uncertain for the US) we will be downsized. I would estimate 30-40%. There just isn't enough JBI sector growth to offset the hit of several billions.
- Access is bad for most selling divisions and getting worse. From payers to medical groups the goal is the same to reduce the influence drug manufactures have on prescribing of branded products. This is likely to get worse for the JNJ and Pfizers of the industry. Access will actually grow for the manufacturer of bio-sims as payers will open access to them in order to save billions through physician education. So access to big Pharma in commodity markets will continue to shrink and emphasis will move to Science Liason roles requiring a Ph.D. and physician paid marketing advisory boards. Simply stated, your donut runs don't cut it anymore.
- Where to go? Try new and true biotechs that have innovative products in new markets. They are usually good for 15+ year runs if you know your stuff. Stay away from the segments that have 4 or more competitors. That is the tipping point to a commercial commodity market. Unless you are the lowest price and best access you will be spitting into the wind and your tenure will likely end in much frustration. If you want to be happy, follow this trail. The vast majority of JNJers have a career that ends very ugly here. JNJ is not recommended by the majority of independent recruiters for all the reasons I have stated.

Overall good piece. Incorrect about MH and senior leadership includes Region Directors. MH and most RD think that if you are still a rep into your late 40-50 you are a slacker and have no ambition. The RD team and managers are afraid to not look strong in MH eyes and manage by fear and intimidation. RD especially newer ones like to pick the people who they want gone. Rarely based on performance, mostly based on what feeds their egos. There is a salary piece to this too. You're correct that salary, etc is a small piece, but it still matters. If you can get rid of 150K rep and replace them with a 80K rep you get a gold star by your name, and who doesn't want that? I've been on the leadership calls, I know what has gone down and what will go down. I've been in many rooms shaking my head as lies were told to the reps. The reason I like your post is that it is not one dimensional because there are many things going on. The hard part is seeing them try to ruin really good reps while they ruin what was a really great biotech.
 




Overall good piece. Incorrect about MH and senior leadership includes Region Directors. MH and most RD think that if you are still a rep into your late 40-50 you are a slacker and have no ambition. The RD team and managers are afraid to not look strong in MH eyes and manage by fear and intimidation. RD especially newer ones like to pick the people who they want gone. Rarely based on performance, mostly based on what feeds their egos. There is a salary piece to this too. You're correct that salary, etc is a small piece, but it still matters. If you can get rid of 150K rep and replace them with a 80K rep you get a gold star by your name, and who doesn't want that? I've been on the leadership calls, I know what has gone down and what will go down. I've been in many rooms shaking my head as lies were told to the reps. The reason I like your post is that it is not one dimensional because there are many things going on. The hard part is seeing them try to ruin really good reps while they ruin what was a really great biotech.

The RBDs are a joke. The skills the NSDs have is just plain missing in their underlings. Regionals spend their time messing with reps and not pushing sales. I can name at least 5 reps, all over 50 that have been run out by various RBDs for bs low numbers in the last year alone. In most cases these were highly trained and successful reps. The RBDs direct these malicious activities. If MY knew just the level of ineptness he would make changes tomorrow. We continue to lose market share thanks to poor mid level managers. And btw RBDs are glorified mid-levels at best. As for the DMs? It's a joke. The good managers are either pushed out or ignored. The older reps get stuck in rep roles because there is nowhere to go. Look at the DMs and see how many are internal and over 45. I'm not aware of even one. So to trace back to the thread, if you are a rep and over 45 you might want to be looking. There is only one way to move and that would be out.
 








The RBDs are a joke. The skills the NSDs have is just plain missing in their underlings. Regionals spend their time messing with reps and not pushing sales. I can name at least 5 reps, all over 50 that have been run out by various RBDs for bs low numbers in the last year alone. In most cases these were highly trained and successful reps. The RBDs direct these malicious activities. If MY knew just the level of ineptness he would make changes tomorrow. We continue to lose market share thanks to poor mid level managers. And btw RBDs are glorified mid-levels at best. As for the DMs? It's a joke. The good managers are either pushed out or ignored. The older reps get stuck in rep roles because there is nowhere to go. Look at the DMs and see how many are internal and over 45. I'm not aware of even one. So to trace back to the thread, if you are a rep and over 45 you might want to be looking. There is only one way to move and that would be out.[/QU

No one is guaranteed tomorrow, or a long life for that matter. Bad things happen to everyone, and some of us are fortunate enough to have good health while others get sick and wish they had more time. It's better to be happy and healthy than in power and then realizing that you actually have none of the power that you were confident you had. It is an illusion and some people fall for the trap. I feel very sad for such people because sometimes there is no turning back.

Treat people decently and kindly and life your life to the fullest without putting your faith in titles and money. This is how you will find your life.
 









Some good points here. The problem though is that most reps and their families are mortgaged to the hilt, in a lot of debt from trying to keep up with the neighbors who usually make much more money than them. Reps get a little money and stay at a good hotel during a meeting and get to eat on the company dime and then think they're entitled to that in their regular lives. Spouses get spoiled and can't handle a true family crisis like illness or a problem child. They are too wrapped up in getting more and more and they pile up debt and loveless marriages that are build on material things. Most of the women I know in my region absolutely hate their husbands, and I know for a fact that many of the men in my region go to strip bars and cheat on their wives. They are all unhappy. That is the price we pay for being so pathetically chained to out jobs. That is the reason why management can treat us like dirt. They have us by the throats. Not many people can just walk away from this. It is like a drug that they have us addicted to.