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Anonymous said:
You do a lot of complaining on Cafepharma. Can't imagine why you would have a problem with any manager . . . http://www.cafepharma.com/boards/images/icons/lol.gif
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its funny.
the managers that I have had problems with are the psychos (like you?). the ones that were intelligent and honest, I got along with great.
its obvious that the latter are missing in these higher paying industries. makes sense. the pyschos love to go for the money, and they tend to be the best manipulators around (like you?).
 






Anonymous said:
Thoughtful post. You bring up two issues. First, nobody said all reps that are let go are like termites. When they become like termites they have to go. That is true of any organization or team effort. Raising concerns or suggesting alternative approaches does not in and of itself constitute a negative attitude. Far from. It demonstrates engagement. Approach matters, though. Your post demonstrates your recognition of that concept. The best way to be treated with respect is to be respectful. It is no guarantee, but it usually works that way.

Your concern is about the manipulation of numbers in a dishonest way. There are two parts to answering your question. First is the disconnect between your numbers and your counterparts. That can happen when there isn't exact mirroring of zip codes or accounts. It can also happen based on variations in weighting factors applied to managed care plans, or differences in goal calculation methods, or even differences in the way refills are handled. Different companies may take different approaches to measuring performance.

As for singling out certain representatives, that would never happen. Not because it could not be done, but because it would be counterproductive to evaluating overall performance. If territory numbers are altered, it means the district numbers would be impacted as well, and that would roll up to the region and nation. Nobody has time for that. Besides, what happens when reps change in the middle of a measurement period? Manipulating territory level data for one period would skew the territory performance for the next period. Compound that scenario for the entire sales team and the system would break down quickly.

Analysts see territories as individual components of districts, and districts as components of regions, and regions as components of the nation. They see a territory as a number, not as a person. DMs rarely have input in the process in any company, but they should know better than to suggest performance measurement is personal. It isn't.

It is never a good feeling to be down in the numbers, but plenty of well respected and well liked reps have been there. The best thing to do is understand your business and control what you can control. Same goes when you are on top, by the way. In our business, the more reps we have doing their best, the more opportunities we have to do this job. Every single rep makes a difference. Welcome to any applicant who knows this.
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This would all be understandable if the people you're dealing with were professional and had moral fortitude. It's very easy for a DM or RSM or operations to manipulate data. I've been around long enough to know that this does happen. I've also been on the level where I did have the autonomy and authority to make changes to sales reports, but I would not operate on that level; albeit this was in a smaller organization compared to Publicis. Representatives have come forward at PSS and have had issues where discrepancies with data, revenue, and or numbers have come up strangely short or inaccurate. In my opinion this could be to make the client company look just a little bit more robust on the selling end of things. This would help them to feel secure that the contract company although very helpful, is also not over stepping their bounds and outperforming the client, which can make them feel very insecure. If a contract employee discusses issues regarding data and discrepancies with anyone in management, they'll be told that they better put a lid on it immediately. I understand that legal must cover this compan. In an ideal world, it would be easy if all parties involved were legitimately ethical. They are not, as we have obviously seen seen and experienced. DM friends of mine have left this organization because they grew tired of seeing funny business with sales reports. I'm just being honest. This is a forum where the truth can be shared. I understand that there is quite a bit of information is false, but unfortunately this is not the case in what I've stated.
 






Anonymous said:
its funny.
the managers that I have had problems with are the psychos (like you?). the ones that were intelligent and honest, I got along with great.
its obvious that the latter are missing in these higher paying industries. makes sense. the pyschos love to go for the money, and they tend to be the best manipulators around (like you?).
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The truth is that there are crooks in higher paying industries, but the amount of professionalism and maturity is much more impressive than what I have seen in this industry. There is so much desperation coming from bullies that have no true skill set outside of being intimidating and operating old school manipulation.
 






This is all dribble because the bottom line is that most of us are here temporarily; here
until a permanent, non-contract position, with more (not complete) security comes along. Today's pharma is one where you're only as good as your latest sales numbers and for as long as your product has exclusivity. CSOs are at the very bottom of the pecking order!
 






Anonymous said:
This is all dribble because the bottom line is that most of us are here temporarily; here
until a permanent, non-contract position, with more (not complete) security comes along. Today's pharma is one where you're only as good as your latest sales numbers and for as long as your product has exclusivity. CSOs are at the very bottom of the pecking order!
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You are all at the bottom of the pecking order!

You still don't get it, do you?

Until you start your own business, or are financially independent, you are going to be at the bottom of the pecking order.

Carry on with your fantasy that you have security or that you are "better" than a CSO. That is absolutely ridiculous. I have worked for the all pharma, medical device, and CSO, and there was no difference in ability between all three groups. In fact, the medical device reps were the most obnoxious and stupid of all three. Surprisingly, the CSO reps were the most grounded and intelligent because they were humble. You, a pharma rep for big pharm probably, are living in la la land. Have fun!
 






Anonymous said:
You are all at the bottom of the pecking order!
You still don't get it, do you?

Until you start your own business, or are financially independent, you are going to be at the bottom of the pecking order.

Carry on with your fantasy that you have security or that you are "better" than a CSO. That is absolutely ridiculous. I have worked for the all pharma, medical device, and CSO, and there was no difference in ability between all three groups. In fact, the medical device reps were the most obnoxious and stupid of all three. Surprisingly, the CSO reps were the most grounded and intelligent because they were humble. You, a pharma rep for big pharm probably, are living in la la land. Have fun!
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Dude... No one said that device is better than pharma or pharma is better than CSO. I'm not sure where device was even mentioned in THIS thread!?

It hasn't sounded like anyone who has admitted that they are at the bottom of the pecking order thinks they're superior. The thread is meant to give more information to those who have never worked on a contract or a on a contract with PSS specifically.

I see more of a reality check than a "fantasy land" type if scenario. Where you've read this... I don't know. Maybe on another thread?
 






Anonymous said:
Dude... No one said that device is better than pharma or pharma is better than CSO. I'm not sure where device was even mentioned in THIS thread!?

It hasn't sounded like anyone who has admitted that they are at the bottom of the pecking order thinks they're superior. The thread is meant to give more information to those who have never worked on a contract or a on a contract with PSS specifically.

I see more of a reality check than a "fantasy land" type if scenario. Where you've read this... I don't know. Maybe on another thread?
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Messy situation with Publicis. They truly don't care about their people. Its all about the company they are working with, which is fine.

its a smart move to not stay with Publicis, and to look if you are working for Publicis.
 






Anonymous said:
You are all at the bottom of the pecking order!

You still don't get it, do you?

Until you start your own business, or are financially independent, you are going to be at the bottom of the pecking order.

Carry on with your fantasy that you have security or that you are "better" than a CSO. That is absolutely ridiculous. I have worked for the all pharma, medical device, and CSO, and there was no difference in ability between all three groups. In fact, the medical device reps were the most obnoxious and stupid of all three. Surprisingly, the CSO reps were the most grounded and intelligent because they were humble. You, a pharma rep for big pharm probably, are living in la la land. Have fun!
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All of this doesn't negate the fact that the very second a non-contract pharma position becomes available and you're hired for it, you'd be out! End of story.
 






Anonymous said:
Nothing in it for me, just fair balance. Many of us have found working here to be rewarding and many have been able to continue their careers by doing a good job in their current assignment. Many people work very hard to make sure the opportunity you have now continues to be available to you and others. In my opinion, this is an extremely well run organization that takes great care to treat individuals with dignity. I have seen many, many examples of this.

You are obviously distressed. It happens. I wish I could listen to you to fully understand your particular situation. My advice, as always, is to talk to your manager in a constructive way. Be specific about your challenges and propose solutions if you can. That's the best way to make things better if there is a problem. Sometimes there is no solution for a particular situation, in which case it may be best to find a better fit. Again, having constructive discussions about those things is better by far than just being miserable. If you have valid irreconcilable differences it will be easier to explain to future potential employers what you did to try and solve the problem before you decided to go elsewhere.
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Anyone else think this guy is extremely condescending and arrogant? Many assumptions are made about others, but you have no idea who you could be talking to here.
 












My close friend worked for PSS for 5 years and all positive on reviews. She was a top representative for another company and after she was downsized, decided to go contract (her career is wrapping up). Anyway, she recently got turned down for 3 jobs that she was easily qualifed for. She couldn't believe it. But that is PSS for you.
 






Anonymous said:
My close friend worked for PSS for 5 years and all positive on reviews. She was a top representative for another company and after she was downsized, decided to go contract (her career is wrapping up). Anyway, she recently got turned down for 3 jobs that she was easily qualifed for. She couldn't believe it. But that is PSS for you.
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Your "friend" must be a real loser if you, I mean your friend, can't get one of these low paying shit contract jobs at this hole. You, I mean your friend, needs to consider a career in retail at the local mall.
 






Anonymous said:
Your "friend" must be a real loser if you, I mean your friend, can't get one of these low paying shit contract jobs at this hole. You, I mean your friend, needs to consider a career in retail at the local mall.
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you sound like a terrible salesperson. it must be tough selling sunglasses at the Hut.
customer service is sales.
being positive is sales.
You have neither.
 












Anonymous said:
Sounds like this person offered good advice. Not sure where the "many assumptions" are. What did I miss?
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You didn't miss anything.
People on this site like to play games at times. However, I would say that 80-90 percent of what is posted on this board is accurate.

truth is that PSS is filled with liars.
 






Anonymous said:
This would all be understandable if the people you're dealing with were professional and had moral fortitude. It's very easy for a DM or RSM or operations to manipulate data. I've been around long enough to know that this does happen. I've also been on the level where I did have the autonomy and authority to make changes to sales reports, but I would not operate on that level; albeit this was in a smaller organization compared to Publicis. Representatives have come forward at PSS and have had issues where discrepancies with data, revenue, and or numbers have come up strangely short or inaccurate. In my opinion this could be to make the client company look just a little bit more robust on the selling end of things. This would help them to feel secure that the contract company although very helpful, is also not over stepping their bounds and outperforming the client, which can make them feel very insecure. If a contract employee discusses issues regarding data and discrepancies with anyone in management, they'll be told that they better put a lid on it immediately. I understand that legal must cover this compan. In an ideal world, it would be easy if all parties involved were legitimately ethical. They are not, as we have obviously seen seen and experienced. DM friends of mine have left this organization because they grew tired of seeing funny business with sales reports. I'm just being honest. This is a forum where the truth can be shared. I understand that there is quite a bit of information is false, but unfortunately this is not the case in what I've stated.
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TRUTH
 






Anonymous said:
You didn't miss anything.
People on this site like to play games at times. However, I would say that 80-90 percent of what is posted on this board is accurate. truth is that PSS is filled with liars.
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This board has a low participation rate with high frequency of participation from a few specific individuals. Even that 100 percent accurate statement won't get you anywhere near 80-90 percent overall accuracy. There hasn't been an accurate prediction on this board in years. If there had been, you could find it and post it as an example. You won't find one.

As for observation or opinion, those are subjective based on the poster. Just because the same 3 or 4 people choose to post with great frequency does not lend credibility to their issues. It just makes them noisy. In fact, the very content of their posts, such as "PSS is filled with liars" and "80-90 percent of what you read on Cafepharma is accurate" demonstrates individual immaturity that no professional would take seriously. If an applicant is turned off by that kind of statement, it would be better for all of us if they screened themselves out.
 






Moderators do delete posts that are too specific. Names, places, and specific events are deleted by moderators.
I do not think that all of these posts are immature. I'm sure that if you are legal, or are HR, you have to give some type of rebuttal. I understand why some would be concerned.
 






Giving out names would be hurting people that have told the truth in innocence. There is no way that I will allow these individuals to get sucked back into this negative vortex. They have moved on to better opportunities and don't need to be haunted by anyone from this operation whose seeking to even the score. I'm not completely devoid of intelligence.
 






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