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Nothing in it for me, just fair balance. Many of us have found working here to be rewarding and many have been able to continue their careers by doing a good job in their current assignment. Many people work very hard to make sure the opportunity you have now continues to be available to you and others. In my opinion, this is an extremely well run organization that takes great care to treat individuals with dignity. I have seen many, many examples of this.

You are obviously distressed. It happens. I wish I could listen to you to fully understand your particular situation. My advice, as always, is to talk to your manager in a constructive way. Be specific about your challenges and propose solutions if you can. That's the best way to make things better if there is a problem. Sometimes there is no solution for a particular situation, in which case it may be best to find a better fit. Again, having constructive discussions about those things is better by far than just being miserable. If you have valid irreconcilable differences it will be easier to explain to future potential employers what you did to try and solve the problem before you decided to go elsewhere.

Going to a manager in contract is never a good idea even if you show diplomacy because the manager can do nothing but hear your complaint, monitor you, and report you as someone that could be a potential threat. Even if you are positive and especially if you provide a solid solution with respect; You will be watched and the documentation process to get you out will have just begun. If you follow up with your manager, they will tell you it's being taken care of and technically they handle it by pushing the person who submitted the complaint out. This did not happen to me personally, but I have watched it occur at least three or four times with others in the past. I did not think they were offensive or insubordinate. They were performers with very good reputations.
The managers job in contract, is to see that the herd is going wherever they're or led to and to report those that think independently. As a manager, you get away with having a little bit more independent thought on contract, however you are always outside of the respected circle of leadership that works directly for a client on a project. The pecking order is a solid hierararcial structure where the contract representative is on the absolute lowest level. It's sad and a bit ridiculous.

I have a gut feel that the previous post is either in HR or is a contract manager that has become very comfortable with being an authority albeit in a lower position in the grand scheme of management versus the client, but still above the sales rep level. I guess as long as you're not the lowest man on the totem pol, it suits them.
 






Going to a manager in contract is never a good idea even if you show diplomacy because the manager can do nothing but hear your complaint, monitor you, and report you as someone that could be a potential threat. Even if you are positive and especially if you provide a solid solution with respect; You will be watched and the documentation process to get you out will have just begun. If you follow up with your manager, they will tell you it's being taken care of and technically they handle it by pushing the person who submitted the complaint out. This did not happen to me personally, but I have watched it occur at least three or four times with others in the past. I did not think they were offensive or insubordinate. They were performers with very good reputations.
The managers job in contract, is to see that the herd is going wherever they're or led to and to report those that think independently. As a manager, you get away with having a little bit more independent thought on contract, however you are always outside of the respected circle of leadership that works directly for a client on a project. The pecking order is a solid hierararcial structure where the contract representative is on the absolute lowest level. It's sad and a bit ridiculous.

I have a gut feel that the previous post is either in HR or is a contract manager that has become very comfortable with being an authority albeit in a lower position in the grand scheme of management versus the client, but still above the sales rep level. I guess as long as you're not the lowest man on the totem pol, it suits them.

What did these 3 or 4 people complain about? Just curious.
 












So if you do good job(top 15%) do you get rolled over to something else when contract ends? Can anyone share how many years/contracts you have been with this co?

One contract lasted a year,within 2 months,started another,after 6 months,rolled over into that company,downsized from that company 4 years later,back with Publicis 2 months later.
It does happen!
 






Going to a manager in contract is never a good idea even if you show diplomacy because the manager can do nothing but hear your complaint, monitor you, and report you as someone that could be a potential threat. Even if you are positive and especially if you provide a solid solution with respect; You will be watched and the documentation process to get you out will have just begun. If you follow up with your manager, they will tell you it's being taken care of and technically they handle it by pushing the person who submitted the complaint out. This did not happen to me personally, but I have watched it occur at least three or four times with others in the past. I did not think they were offensive or insubordinate. They were performers with very good reputations.
The managers job in contract, is to see that the herd is going wherever they're or led to and to report those that think independently. As a manager, you get away with having a little bit more independent thought on contract, however you are always outside of the respected circle of leadership that works directly for a client on a project. The pecking order is a solid hierararcial structure where the contract representative is on the absolute lowest level. It's sad and a bit ridiculous.

I have a gut feel that the previous post is either in HR or is a contract manager that has become very comfortable with being an authority albeit in a lower position in the grand scheme of management versus the client, but still above the sales rep level. I guess as long as you're not the lowest man on the totem pol, it suits them.

You are absolutely correct. Management, especially senior management, MUST please the client at all costs. That is what provides contract longevity. The reps are disposable.
 






Every client is different. Some will roll over consistent top performers, with good attitudes and if overall sales are good (Otsuka MDD), others will not. Generally, CSOs are looked down upon, treated like third-rate step children, including the managers. You need to follow the rank and file and better not voice unpopular opinions!
 






To get rolled over you must believe in the numbers they give you. It's made up. If you have the chance sit with your direct counterpart and look at the same doc with the same time, Nrx, Trx whatever and guess what. It doesn't match. I found this out and asked my manager why is this different? This put me on the radar screen and before I knew it, I was looked at as having a bad attitude. The above poster is right. If you have a problem or a question, do not go to your manager. This will only cause them to have to think of an excuse and the last thing they want to do is think. They want enthustic, robotic, box checkers that think this is the greatest job ever and believe them when they speak of roll over or contract extention. If you want a job that goes from year to year with only hope of getting signed onto a new contract. That is to say they have one avaiable. If you fit the above criteria they Pharma Contract sales is right for you. If you are a free thinker with good ideas and think that working hard and most importantly producing results will get you ahead your only half right. Remember the results (made up) and the working hard stuff. Well unlike most jobs where it will make you stand out, you might get an atta boy for having a high call average and not get put on the list that says you only make 3 calls a day. Quick fix there by using the detail no sample box. FYI Black Box warning here is that if you want a job that gains you little and are willing to start over year after year then this might be for you. For me, I got off this merry go around and at first I missed the pay check and the interactions with my doctor friends. Then, I got a job that rewarded me for my efforts and gave me hope for a better future. I need to produce results and continue to work hard. Bu there is no looking down on me from others and I know where I stand at the end of the day or year. I wonder now why I ever got started in contract. I think like most I was let go from Direct employment in pharma because of downsizing and this will continue. But contract was there and I go some money in their salary but bought into their pipe dream of bonus and roll over. Neither of them happened and before I knew it it was time for the phone call of stay at home today and we will call you to let you know if you have a job tomorrow. My suggestion and it is just that. Take your self esteem and your belief in hard work pays off and get out of not just pharma but for sure contract pharma it's a dead end.
 






CSO provides a paycheck and some benefits. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's unlikely that you will be promoted, will live contract-to-contract and have no real future. Even the contracts have early termination clauses so there's really very little security. Only true pharma can provide that and then only as long as there is patent exclusivity on the product(s) you are promoting.
 






To get rolled over you must believe in the numbers they give you. It's made up. If you have the chance sit with your direct counterpart and look at the same doc with the same time, Nrx, Trx whatever and guess what. It doesn't match. I found this out and asked my manager why is this different? This put me on the radar screen and before I knew it, I was looked at as having a bad attitude. The above poster is right. If you have a problem or a question, do not go to your manager. This will only cause them to have to think of an excuse and the last thing they want to do is think. They want enthustic, robotic, box checkers that think this is the greatest job ever and believe them when they speak of roll over or contract extention. If you want a job that goes from year to year with only hope of getting signed onto a new contract. That is to say they have one avaiable. If you fit the above criteria they Pharma Contract sales is right for you. If you are a free thinker with good ideas and think that working hard and most importantly producing results will get you ahead your only half right. Remember the results (made up) and the working hard stuff. Well unlike most jobs where it will make you stand out, you might get an atta boy for having a high call average and not get put on the list that says you only make 3 calls a day. Quick fix there by using the detail no sample box. FYI Black Box warning here is that if you want a job that gains you little and are willing to start over year after year then this might be for you. For me, I got off this merry go around and at first I missed the pay check and the interactions with my doctor friends. Then, I got a job that rewarded me for my efforts and gave me hope for a better future. I need to produce results and continue to work hard. Bu there is no looking down on me from others and I know where I stand at the end of the day or year. I wonder now why I ever got started in contract. I think like most I was let go from Direct employment in pharma because of downsizing and this will continue. But contract was there and I go some money in their salary but bought into their pipe dream of bonus and roll over. Neither of them happened and before I knew it it was time for the phone call of stay at home today and we will call you to let you know if you have a job tomorrow. My suggestion and it is just that. Take your self esteem and your belief in hard work pays off and get out of not just pharma but for sure contract pharma it's a dead end.

Good lord that was long rambling rant. Do you really think anyone will read that novel you self obsessed fuck? get a hobby already.
 






on the other side of the fence-I have found moving from 1 contract to another to work well for me...it beats the heck out of selling the same old thing for 25 years or even 5...there is a lot of flexibility and learning...the in between times works for me as my spouse
holds a non-contract position...the merit of the assignment is the Management (DM) and that can be good or bad via a contract or direct hire
 


















To get rolled over you must believe in the numbers they give you. It's made up. If you have the chance sit with your direct counterpart and look at the same doc with the same time, Nrx, Trx whatever and guess what. It doesn't match. I found this out and asked my manager why is this different? This put me on the radar screen and before I knew it, I was looked at as having a bad attitude. The above poster is right. If you have a problem or a question, do not go to your manager. This will only cause them to have to think of an excuse and the last thing they want to do is think. They want enthustic, robotic, box checkers that think this is the greatest job ever and believe them when they speak of roll over or contract extention. If you want a job that goes from year to year with only hope of getting signed onto a new contract. That is to say they have one avaiable. If you fit the above criteria they Pharma Contract sales is right for you. If you are a free thinker with good ideas and think that working hard and most importantly producing results will get you ahead your only half right. Remember the results (made up) and the working hard stuff. Well unlike most jobs where it will make you stand out, you might get an atta boy for having a high call average and not get put on the list that says you only make 3 calls a day. Quick fix there by using the detail no sample box. FYI Black Box warning here is that if you want a job that gains you little and are willing to start over year after year then this might be for you. For me, I got off this merry go around and at first I missed the pay check and the interactions with my doctor friends. Then, I got a job that rewarded me for my efforts and gave me hope for a better future. I need to produce results and continue to work hard. Bu there is no looking down on me from others and I know where I stand at the end of the day or year. I wonder now why I ever got started in contract. I think like most I was let go from Direct employment in pharma because of downsizing and this will continue. But contract was there and I go some money in their salary but bought into their pipe dream of bonus and roll over. Neither of them happened and before I knew it it was time for the phone call of stay at home today and we will call you to let you know if you have a job tomorrow. My suggestion and it is just that. Take your self esteem and your belief in hard work pays off and get out of not just pharma but for sure contract pharma it's a dead end.

Smart and honest post.
Totally agree with you here.
This contract stuff is for people that have given up for the most part. It does serve a place for those that can't find anything else.
But, it really is a dead end.
The managers that do this are really the biggest idiots in my opinion. Talk about slackers. At least the reps earn their keep a bit by actually talking to the doctors and moving product.
 






This should be a last resort situation. This company is the most insincere company you will ever work for.

No loyalty. Nothing. No heart. Biggest liars out there. Now, this is the case with most pharmaceutical companies, but Pub. gets the cake in my eyes.

This is a warning for those that want the truth, and the truth hurts, but the truth must be told.

Booo hooo...grow a pair...
 






























Every contract is different. Some would not roll you over if you were number one. Others will only roll maybe 2-3 over yearly only if the company surpasses their goal and those individuals were the top reps. Other times someone will get rolled over because the client likes the rep and you look at their performance record and say WTF!?!
Great performance does not mean you'll be rolled over, but PSS will not want you to ever know this.

ASK THE WHOLE NY DISTRICT FROM THE LAST PFIZER CONTRACT, NOT ONE PERSON WAS ROLLED OVER, EVEN THOUGH THE MAJORITY OF THEM WERE IN THE TOP 20
 






ASK THE WHOLE NY DISTRICT FROM THE LAST PFIZER CONTRACT, NOT ONE PERSON WAS ROLLED OVER, EVEN THOUGH THE MAJORITY OF THEM WERE IN THE TOP 20

Nice.
What a good industry to plant your feet and grow.
Pfizer reps. make me laugh (I was a former one, unfortunately). They are the most brainwashed and kool aid loving people. A peculiar people. A cult. Get away from Pfizer as fast as possible and you will find your life once again.