Reorg coming??

This typically occurs before a layoff. People were let go for performance. Believe it was 2’s for the last 2 years and did get a mutual separation package which is 1 week for every year. I’ve definitely seen this happen over the years:(

Minimum 12 weeks. If u are here 6 years, sorry. If you are here just for 2 years, not a bad payday. Still sucks
 




I called wheels today about the RAV ordering in December. They have no info. My understanding is that we would order the first week of December....

You insensitive asshole. Some of your peers have just lost their jobs and your worried about a fucking new car. Too bad it wasn’t your insensitive ass that got the call this morning.
 








This lay off this morning was done with out warning and very suspicious to say the least. How can u go back in history and change the rules of employment? There were territories that had 50% market share that got cleaned out. Can’t tell me that’s because of poor performance. What a chicken shit way to treat people. I actually think it targeted higher paid older reps. AZ is a terrible place to work. At every corner they are screwing thier people when actually the leaders of this company suck and aren’t good enough to clean the toilets. We saw great people get cut today,....what a sham! What a shameful way to treat people. Not only reps, in-house, managers, CBDs. What a joke
 




The layoffs this morning were a complete shit show! It wasn’t about poor performance ,there were territories with 50% market share! That’s not underperforming. What a joke! The leadership here is terrible and don’t deserve to clean the toilets. We saw great people let go today. AZ is a terrible place to work. What a terrible way to treat people. Absolute no notice and not fired on the spot. Given until the 7th. We all need to start looking for a better place to work. None of us are safe if there going to give you 20 minutes to be on a con call. Seemed to have changed the rules to work here by looking back. Due to no damn good reason they judge us on false numbers and shitty managed care coverage. Management u suck! Look in the mirror.
 




This is awful, but I can’t say I’m surprised. One of the best reps in my District was let go today. 3 kids, right before Christmas. Any performance issues for her were out of her control. Previous award winner. Looking elsewhere ASAP. Not the place to be. Run if you can.
 




It is difficult to manage a territory business with enthusiasm when the metrics change every year. My conspiracy theorist mind gets that they need to move the targets to reduce payouts to save money and slow down the Career ladder eligibility pipeline of candidates. But to use the performance to fire people is beyond not cool.

In the past 4 years we have been measured by:

1. Mkt share and volume change, DSS/ESS including each other’s customers

2. Mkt share and volume change, DSS/ESS excluding each other’s customers

3. Market share change only. DSS/ESS customers included.

4. Share goal, no neighborhoods. Goals set by the CBDs.

Most high performing territories under scenarios 1-2 are suffering now because they drove volume, set the share and have nowhere to go to drive share much higher. These are 70% of the places where the 2018 goal based program has been problematic.

I wonder how much of this comes down to behaviors. This year, in spite of where your sales performance lands, everybody should push for higher behavior scores backed up by solid examples. The Behavior score could make the difference between two partners whose sales performance is ranked a 2.

Good luck and get to writing.
 




It is difficult to manage a territory business with enthusiasm when the metrics change every year. My conspiracy theorist mind gets that they need to move the targets to reduce payouts to save money and slow down the Career ladder eligibility pipeline of candidates. But to use the performance to fire people is beyond not cool.

In the past 4 years we have been measured by:

1. Mkt share and volume change, DSS/ESS including each other’s customers

2. Mkt share and volume change, DSS/ESS excluding each other’s customers

3. Market share change only. DSS/ESS customers included.

4. Share goal, no neighborhoods. Goals set by the CBDs.

Most high performing territories under scenarios 1-2 are suffering now because they drove volume, set the share and have nowhere to go to drive share much higher. These are 70% of the places where the 2018 goal based program has been problematic.

I wonder how much of this comes down to behaviors. This year, in spite of where your sales performance lands, everybody should push for higher behavior scores backed up by solid examples. The Behavior score could make the difference between two partners whose sales performance is ranked a 2.

Good luck and get to writing.

when you have multiple reps selling the same product to the same customers it is impossible to measure impact of an individual. Throw in overlapping territories, M.C. influence, and a dart toss for a sales forecast, then you get this fiasco. Everyone knows who the real poor performers are in their District. Every District Manager and Regional Director knows who the poor performers and slackers are among their peers.
So when a high performer is let go because they are over 55 and too expensive to keep, the rest of us know how bad this is.
 




I’m sorry people were dismissed yesterday. If you don’t understand how AZ’s performance rating system works, ask someone who understands (hopefully your manager). Some of the previous comments regarding poor sales results due to goals (everyone gets a goal and they are set on YOUR previous performance closer to the current timeframe than in the past) so AZ finally got better on goaling vs most recent performance. There’s always going to be a growth factor because we are a sales organization. If you haven’t read pharma quarterly sales reports, then you don’t know we are selling, but not making the profits we used to due to competitive bidding to get our products on Formulary and then rebating (which further reduces profits). I understand that our Formulary wins are not as great as our competition, which limits prescribers because they are not going to fight for our products when there is a competitive product that can do the job without a fight, however your volume/MS goal is also lower than those who have better access. If you’ve earned 2s for the past couple of years, you should know or your manager should have explained that your performance was in the bottom 15% of the Region. We are rated on a bell shaped curve. If you are in the bottom 15%, you WOULD be at greater risk because all previous layoffs have been performance based and the most effective sales reps at growth vs goal were kept. For the person who mentioned they were 115% last quarter, these decisions are made on years of performance, not a quarter. For the comment about 50% market share, AZconsiders we have been paid to grow that, so if you can’t continue to grow to meet goal, then your rating will reflect that. If you haven’t read that we have had a yard sale for a while selling off assets and products I didn’t even know AZ owned or had rights to, then your head is in the sand. Cutting samples at the end of a quarter, pulling back Access funds, Speaker Programs, in order to meet forecast while sacrificing all resources needed to grow business....people wake up...we are not performing to the level promised to shareholders. The only thing left was to sell a Salesforce (MedImmune) last week and now we’re down to the wire and are cutting lowest performing territories. Behaviors are 30% of our annual rating and will help if you are on a bubble from bottom 15% to maybe get to bottom 16% and go from a 2 to a 3, however as previous poster states, you need SOLID examples. You don’t self rate yourself a 5 with one example of Leadership, Teamwork, and Op Excellence. Read the definitions for a 3,4,5. Would the people on your team who work with you every day say you are a 5 across the board? If not, then think about what you can do in 2019 to show up and bring the value a 5 brings to their territory, district, and even Region. As for diabetes and the Bcise fiasco, HQ should not hold us responsible for sales growth when patients can’t get it. Hopefully, someone will wake up and make the right decision before the end of year, but this co issue may impact our 4Q and 1Q FSIP, however also has impact on EOY ratings, COE, and Carrer Ladder (since directly tied to EOY performance ratings now). All of this to say, we are in sales, there’s a bell shaped curve, and if the past predicts the current/future.....you don’t want to land in the bottom 15% of your regional performance. You need to find a way to meet your goals better than others in your district and region who have the same Formulary/Access issues. If you don’t like being measured on ability to increase sales above what you are selling today, this may not be the right job fit. It’s still a great job, however ability to grow is expected.....no excuses.
 




Previous poster is pretty much spot on. Sounds like a CBD level or above. We have heard about a "performance driven" culture. This is the first time we have seen this occur to this degree. It will certainly serve as a wake up call. Those that got 2's last year and are heading for a 2 this year.....Sorry

In speaking to my manager, the carnage could have been worse. They shared that if you had two 2's out of the last 3 years, you were "on the list". The only reason why those people didn't get the ax was because they are within the bell curve this year. Could have been much worse.
 




The company has made multiple mistakes and is now taking it out on their sales force.

Sampling issues at the beginning of 2018 with Bcise. Q3, they relay to the field incentivized on Bcise only, but the message is delivered at end of July. Farxiga declare trial fails to hit 3 pt Mace. Q4, cut all Bcise samples. Outages at pharmacies. Company posts video explaining this to us, and tells sales force that “to do the right thing for the patient is to tell them Bydureon DCP is still available”. Company makes money, but reps get penalized bc what was supposed to be a Bcise rx is now a DCP. Add to all this that December numbers don’t “count” when it comes to year end.

The company wants the reps to take accountability, but fail to take accountability themselves. The best way to destroy culture is to turn everyone against each other. Upper management against middle management. Middle management against reps. Rep against rep.
 




some of you fail to remember that the carnage exactly 2 yrs ago involved a genetic cleansing of an entire sales force, this is expected every 2 years or so. Best early retirement gift I've ever received...quit your complaining and now get out there all of you 50 somethings and find out what its like to compete against the NEW pharma - 25 year olds entering the market and killing it! Same age I was when I was on fire in this market, glad to have ridden this Trojan horse for so long.
 




I’m sorry people were dismissed yesterday. If you don’t understand how AZ’s performance rating system works, ask someone who understands (hopefully your manager). Some of the previous comments regarding poor sales results due to goals (everyone gets a goal and they are set on YOUR previous performance closer to the current timeframe than in the past) so AZ finally got better on goaling vs most recent performance. There’s always going to be a growth factor because we are a sales organization. If you haven’t read pharma quarterly sales reports, then you don’t know we are selling, but not making the profits we used to due to competitive bidding to get our products on Formulary and then rebating (which further reduces profits). I understand that our Formulary wins are not as great as our competition, which limits prescribers because they are not going to fight for our products when there is a competitive product that can do the job without a fight, however your volume/MS goal is also lower than those who have better access. If you’ve earned 2s for the past couple of years, you should know or your manager should have explained that your performance was in the bottom 15% of the Region. We are rated on a bell shaped curve. If you are in the bottom 15%, you WOULD be at greater risk because all previous layoffs have been performance based and the most effective sales reps at growth vs goal were kept. For the person who mentioned they were 115% last quarter, these decisions are made on years of performance, not a quarter. For the comment about 50% market share, AZconsiders we have been paid to grow that, so if you can’t continue to grow to meet goal, then your rating will reflect that. If you haven’t read that we have had a yard sale for a while selling off assets and products I didn’t even know AZ owned or had rights to, then your head is in the sand. Cutting samples at the end of a quarter, pulling back Access funds, Speaker Programs, in order to meet forecast while sacrificing all resources needed to grow business....people wake up...we are not performing to the level promised to shareholders. The only thing left was to sell a Salesforce (MedImmune) last week and now we’re down to the wire and are cutting lowest performing territories. Behaviors are 30% of our annual rating and will help if you are on a bubble from bottom 15% to maybe get to bottom 16% and go from a 2 to a 3, however as previous poster states, you need SOLID examples. You don’t self rate yourself a 5 with one example of Leadership, Teamwork, and Op Excellence. Read the definitions for a 3,4,5. Would the people on your team who work with you every day say you are a 5 across the board? If not, then think about what you can do in 2019 to show up and bring the value a 5 brings to their territory, district, and even Region. As for diabetes and the Bcise fiasco, HQ should not hold us responsible for sales growth when patients can’t get it. Hopefully, someone will wake up and make the right decision before the end of year, but this co issue may impact our 4Q and 1Q FSIP, however also has impact on EOY ratings, COE, and Carrer Ladder (since directly tied to EOY performance ratings now). All of this to say, we are in sales, there’s a bell shaped curve, and if the past predicts the current/future.....you don’t want to land in the bottom 15% of your regional performance. You need to find a way to meet your goals better than others in your district and region who have the same Formulary/Access issues. If you don’t like being measured on ability to increase sales above what you are selling today, this may not be the right job fit. It’s still a great job, however ability to grow is expected.....no excuses.

Don’t grow to fast. Mediocre in our system is the game. I’ve seen great reps grow fast and maintain shares or slightly drop over a 2-3 year period get canned.

Growth measures are great, however you can grow year over year sales and look bad on FSIP. Picking random months to set baselines have no reflection of long term, sustained growth. Year vs previous year based on volume is a better representation of profits.

Like a real business it should be about dollars like SSLT reports to the street. What dollars come in vs what you spend-=net income
 




Previous poster is pretty much spot on. Sounds like a CBD level or above. We have heard about a "performance driven" culture. This is the first time we have seen this occur to this degree. It will certainly serve as a wake up call. Those that got 2's last year and are heading for a 2 this year.....Sorry

In speaking to my manager, the carnage could have been worse. They shared that if you had two 2's out of the last 3 years, you were "on the list". The only reason why those people didn't get the ax was because they are within the bell curve this year. Could have been much worse.

Bullshit!!! There are many examples of people who went to Circle multiple times and some who were promoted because of high performance and then were let go within 3 years.
This is all about being in the wrong place at the wrong time with too many years of seniority and thus making too much money. Cut one person with $130K salary and you can hire two to replace them if needed.
 




Bullshit!!! There are many examples of people who went to Circle multiple times and some who were promoted because of high performance and then were let go within 3 years.
This is all about being in the wrong place at the wrong time with too many years of seniority and thus making too much money. Cut one person with $130K salary and you can hire two to replace them if needed.

Reread what you wrote. "let go within 3 years" even after being promoted. That's what I am saying. You could have gotten a "4" followed by 2 2's and sorry but you are out. So a year w/ a 4 and two w/ a 2. I think my math is right with that being 3 years. So poo-poo kaka right back at ya'. ;)
 




Reread what you wrote. "let go within 3 years" even after being promoted. That's what I am saying. You could have gotten a "4" followed by 2 2's and sorry but you are out. So a year w/ a 4 and two w/ a 2. I think my math is right with that being 3 years. So poo-poo kaka right back at ya'. ;)
Hey poo-poo kaka it was 3 years with a 2 not 2 yrs with a 2.
 




Got my package today. Throwing away and speaking to a lawyer. I hear a lot about taking legal action with these separations, but if there were ever a case, it would be with this situation. Upper management set up their reps to fail, and never were we told this would be the consequence. Specifically in diabetes, we were added Januvia into our box out of nowhere, which crippled our market share possibilities, mainly because of market access. Then we are told to launch BCise by comparing it to the “old and big” pen. Months later we are strictly paid on Bcise volume, but then remove samples and manufacturing. Now they expect us to ask doctors to go back to that “old and big” pen in the meantime so the patient can remain on the molecule.
Is this a joke? Just unbelievable.
 




It is difficult to manage a territory business with enthusiasm when the metrics change every year. My conspiracy theorist mind gets that they need to move the targets to reduce payouts to save money and slow down the Career ladder eligibility pipeline of candidates. But to use the performance to fire people is beyond not cool.

In the past 4 years we have been measured by:

1. Mkt share and volume change, DSS/ESS including each other’s customers

2. Mkt share and volume change, DSS/ESS excluding each other’s customers

3. Market share change only. DSS/ESS customers included.

4. Share goal, no neighborhoods. Goals set by the CBDs.

Most high performing territories under scenarios 1-2 are suffering now because they drove volume, set the share and have nowhere to go to drive share much higher. These are 70% of the places where the 2018 goal based program has been problematic.

I wonder how much of this comes down to behaviors. This year, in spite of where your sales performance lands, everybody should push for higher behavior scores backed up by solid examples. The Behavior score could make the difference between two partners whose sales performance is ranked a 2.

Good luck and get to writing.
Unfortunately behaviors were not even looked at. I was let go, and I’ve had a 5 in behaviors for the past 3 years. My managers made sure to give me the 5 because I was put in an unfortunate selling situation and felt the 5 in behaviors would justify. It didn’t.
 












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