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What kind of crack are you smoking? Seriously? If you have a perio defect and your tooth is compromised, would you ....

A. use EMD with the hopes that in 5 years you might see some gains in bone if you still have your tooth or.....

B. use pdgf that shows rapid and immediate increases in bone formation within 6 months and CONTINUED increase in bone formation for more than 3 years.

Hmmmm, only a Straumann rep would choose A. I don't even work for Osteohealth but pdgf is a great product while EMD is snake oil.
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What good is a product that produces quick results in 3-6 months, then diminishes over time?
EMD produces solid short term results with LASTING and CONTINUED increases over long periods of time.
Longterm results will show and prove that you are wrong.....GEM is the SNAKEOIL !!!

EMD has been on the market for 5+ years with many loyal customers. GEM has been on the market for 2 years and has NO solid data AND has slipping market use......initial GEM users are going back to EMD.....Hmmmmm....I wonder why?

Osteohealth has been selling the market a bunch of crap and is paying opinion leaders to spin results. Anyone who buys into this "synthetic" PDGF is 1000x the strength of PRP are the ones who are smoking crack.....hahahaha......suckers!....keep spending money for a scam product !!!
 






Anonymous said:
What good is a product that produces quick results in 3-6 months, then diminishes over time?
EMD produces solid short term results with LASTING and CONTINUED increases over long periods of time.
Longterm results will show and prove that you are wrong.....GEM is the SNAKEOIL !!!

EMD has been on the market for 5+ years with many loyal customers. GEM has been on the market for 2 years and has NO solid data AND has slipping market use......initial GEM users are going back to EMD.....Hmmmmm....I wonder why?

Osteohealth has been selling the market a bunch of crap and is paying opinion leaders to spin results. Anyone who buys into this "synthetic" PDGF is 1000x the strength of PRP are the ones who are smoking crack.....hahahaha......suckers!....keep spending money for a scam product !!!
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Um, Straumann is feeding you a line of bullshit or you don't know how to read a study. 3 year data shows that pdgf CONTINUES to increase bone formation vs. the 6 month data. What you fail to understand is that the ACTIVE control group(tcp alone) does gain on the pdgf group but NEVER catches it. Nice spin you are trying to put on it.

Botton line, EMD can't hold pdgf's jock.
 






Anonymous said:
Um, Straumann is feeding you a line of bullshit or you don't know how to read a study. 3 year data shows that pdgf CONTINUES to increase bone formation vs. the 6 month data. What you fail to understand is that the ACTIVE control group(tcp alone) does gain on the pdgf group but NEVER catches it. Nice spin you are trying to put on it.

Botton line, EMD can't hold pdgf's jock.
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Fist, I don't work for Straumann. Secondly, GEM continues very minimally...but NOT significantly. TCP (alone) controls gain rapidly and GEM cases fall of tremendously. No TCP doesn't catch GEM..but it closes rapidly at 36 months...TCP will catch GEM in longer term data...hands-down! I would hope that GEM at the least continues after 6 months...it cost waaaay too much for results to drop off after THAT !!!

Why would Osteohealth market SPEED with GEM but then flp-flop and say slow resorbtion is best with BioOss...Hmmmm? I believe it is EMD that gives clinicians and patients slow steady results over the long-term...isn't it?

It's all an Osteohealth VERY poor marketing spin scam and th market is catching on and Osteohealth sales are slumping an there are internal threats of lay-offs....that's a fact !!!!

Original EMD users tried GEM when EMD was off the market and now have returned to EMD in GREAT numbers.....who can't hold who's jock....lol...lol !!!!
 












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Fist, I don't work for Straumann. Secondly, GEM continues very minimally...but NOT significantly. TCP (alone) controls gain rapidly and GEM cases fall of tremendously. No TCP doesn't catch GEM..but it closes rapidly at 36 months...TCP will catch GEM in longer term data...hands-down! I would hope that GEM at the least continues after 6 months...it cost waaaay too much for results to drop off after THAT !!!

Why would Osteohealth market SPEED with GEM but then flp-flop and say slow resorbtion is best with BioOss...Hmmmm? I believe it is EMD that gives clinicians and patients slow steady results over the long-term...isn't it?

It's all an Osteohealth VERY poor marketing spin scam and th market is catching on and Osteohealth sales are slumping an there are internal threats of lay-offs....that's a fact !!!!

Original EMD users tried GEM when EMD was off the market and now have returned to EMD in GREAT numbers.....who can't hold who's jock....lol...lol !!!!
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Again, you don't understand how to read a study or you're just an idiot.

"GEM cases fall of tremendously."

Huh? They don't ever "FALL". They continue to grow and increase bone height over the 3 years.
 






Anonymous said:
Fist, I don't work for Straumann. Secondly, GEM continues very minimally...but NOT significantly. TCP (alone) controls gain rapidly and GEM cases fall of tremendously. No TCP doesn't catch GEM..but it closes rapidly at 36 months...TCP will catch GEM in longer term data...hands-down! I would hope that GEM at the least continues after 6 months...it cost waaaay too much for results to drop off after THAT !!!

Why would Osteohealth market SPEED with GEM but then flp-flop and say slow resorbtion is best with BioOss...Hmmmm? I believe it is EMD that gives clinicians and patients slow steady results over the long-term...isn't it?

It's all an Osteohealth VERY poor marketing spin scam and th market is catching on and Osteohealth sales are slumping an there are internal threats of lay-offs....that's a fact !!!!

Original EMD users tried GEM when EMD was off the market and now have returned to EMD in GREAT numbers.....who can't hold who's jock....lol...lol !!!!
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There is actually a lot of truth in what this person is saying....but I don't think that any of the biologics out right now are worth the money or fully deliver what they say they do. And GEM is WAY overpriced.
 






Anything after 6 months in perio comes down to good maintenance. The TCP caught up (but never equaled GEM) at 36 months.


Long term studies in this area are BS - it comes down to maintenance.

As far as the EMD people switching back - I'd say 50:50 I know a lot of big former EMD users that wont go back and I know a lot that did.

Either way the company (Osteohell) did a lousy job during the down time for EMD to make a lasting impression and steal all the business.
 
















































New Flash, some of these top people have left for other jobs on their own. More money, smaller territories=more time at home. Have some been fired, yeah but they probably don't work anyway.
 






Anonymous said:
New Flash, some of these top people have left for other jobs on their own. More money, smaller territories=more time at home. Have some been fired, yeah but they probably don't work anyway.
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....I know the people that have left.....and not for more money....actually have much larger territories....and they were top award winners and senior territory managers. They have left because of the new management and the division that is being run into the ground.....try to spin it any way you want.....Osteohealth is a shit place due to the pharma managers !!!
 






OK then you may be talking to different people. I know there are some that have left for much smaller territories and more money. I am already talking to one of them about going over to the company with them. I get it! I have been here a while and DG likes things his way or no way. There is no way to run things differently even when you can get product purchased your own way. There are a lot of Pharma people out there looking for jobs and I can see why they would hire Pharma over a cell phone sales person or something like that, it makes sense. Plus why do we care as long as they leave me alone.
 
























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