Medical Sales College. Is it for Real?

[Anonymous]

After the course, should your husband not get help from these people in finding a medical sales job, my guess is they will say it was all his fault.

This is great stuff, and so true.

Parents today would be wise to steer their children into a personal business, because the idea of working for others, and navigating through a political corporate structure, where nobody cares about quality work or talent, is BS.

As for these online college classes and organizations like AIMS or Medical College, well there is no value, and they exist to take your money.

The bottom line is that people need to wake up to these scams.

 

[Anonymous]

After the course, should your husband not get help from these people in finding a medical sales job, my guess is they will say it was all his fault.

Or he might get a job in medical sales like the other 600 people from this program.

 

[Anonymous]

Or he might get a job in medical sales like the other 600 people from this program.

600 from AIMS, or 600 from MSC, or 600 from both AIMS and MSC combined?

 

[Anonymous]

600 from AIMS, or 600 from MSC, or 600 from both AIMS and MSC combined?

Exactly. These people are so elusive, convoluted and confusing with their arguments. Oh, wasn't it 360, oh wait, over 400, oh wait 450? Now it's 600? What are these, Jim's cholesterol levels?

They charged hiring companies nothing, now they charge "the least in the industry" at a flat $2,000. What's their recruiting arm's name, Blue Chip, AIMS or Elite?

If you want to pay MSC for a certificate, then have at it hoss. It's your money. But don't say we didn't try our best to warn you.

 

[Anonymous]

Exactly. These people are so elusive, convoluted and confusing with their arguments. Oh, wasn't it 360, oh wait, over 400, oh wait 450? Now it's 600? What are these, Jim's cholesterol levels?

They charged hiring companies nothing, now they charge "the least in the industry" at a flat $2,000. What's their recruiting arm's name, Blue Chip, AIMS or Elite?

If you want to pay MSC for a certificate, then have at it hoss. It's your money. But don't say we didn't try our best to warn you.

And when they try to defend themselves, they dig a deeper hole of lies for themselves.

 

[Anonymous]

And when they try to defend themselves, they dig a deeper hole of lies for themselves.

I have never seen so much jealously in my life. I have nothing to do with the school and can see from a mile away that it is a brilliant idea. They have several companies on their website (if they were a scam - NO WAY would they be able to have that). They have several placements on their websites (I doubt all the pictures and names are fake) and the AG office would have shut them down if they had issues.

They are licensed as a college.

Get over yourself people!

Best part is that the next 1,000 (anonymous) posts will be about how I am from AIMS or whatever you call it.

The funny part is who are they? (negative posters)

I will leave you with this one thought, name me a device company on CP in which you see favorable threads about their company? ZERO!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is where every reject comes to bitch about what they didn't get or want.

Its always self-motivation or jealousy of others performing.

 

[Anonymous]

Don't you think that you are missing the point??? You are obviously so blinded by your own selfish, self-serving motives that you have lost all common sense. If the training and education from this program helps motivated individuals from outside the industry to get hired and be successful, why does it matter if they find their own job or if they are assisted in that process? Or why should it matter if they were trained at AIMS or MSC? From what I've read on this thread, you seem to be so incensed about your own pathetic inability to succeed, that you waste time that you could be spending getting hired yourself or better yet, achieving your own success. Why don't you get a life? I have spoken to dozens of graduates from the program who are working for many of the top companies and they attribute their ability to get hired and perform their jobs, right out of the gate, to their education at the college. You on the other hand seem to want to spew hatred and add no redeeming value to those who seek to better themselves and their future. I hope that it is becoming crystal clear to anyone reading this that whoever you are "ANONYMOUS HATER", that your opinion isn't worth their time of day!

 

[Anonymous]

Don't you think that you are missing the point??? You are obviously so blinded by your own selfish, self-serving motives that you have lost all common sense. If the training and education from this program helps motivated individuals from outside the industry to get hired and be successful, why does it matter if they find their own job or if they are assisted in that process? Or why should it matter if they were trained at AIMS or MSC? From what I've read on this thread, you seem to be so incensed about your own pathetic inability to succeed, that you waste time that you could be spending getting hired yourself or better yet, achieving your own success. Why don't you get a life? I have spoken to dozens of graduates from the program who are working for many of the top companies and they attribute their ability to get hired and perform their jobs, right out of the gate, to their education at the college. You on the other hand seem to want to spew hatred and add no redeeming value to those who seek to better themselves and their future. I hope that it is becoming crystal clear to anyone reading this that whoever you are "ANONYMOUS HATER", that your opinion isn't worth their time of day!

Classic technique of attacking the messenger, not the message. If MSC is legit, then how come they sell it the way they do?

 

[Anonymous]

I have never seen so much jealously in my life. I have nothing to do with the school and can see from a mile away that it is a brilliant idea. They have several companies on their website (if they were a scam - NO WAY would they be able to have that). They have several placements on their websites (I doubt all the pictures and names are fake) and the AG office would have shut them down if they had issues.

They are licensed as a college.

Get over yourself people!

Best part is that the next 1,000 (anonymous) posts will be about how I am from AIMS or whatever you call it.

The funny part is who are they? (negative posters)

I will leave you with this one thought, name me a device company on CP in which you see favorable threads about their company? ZERO!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is where every reject comes to bitch about what they didn't get or want.

Its always self-motivation or jealousy of others performing.

This guy allegedly has "nothing to do with the school," but somehow he knows:
1) details about the school's license.
2) the Attorney General has an extremely long case processing cycle.
3) minutiae about the school's website.

Oh, and he so passionately despises those who are trying to expose their "business plan." Right, he has nothing to do with the school.

 

[Anonymous]

This guy allegedly has "nothing to do with the school," but somehow he knows:
1) details about the school's license.
2) the Attorney General has an extremely long case processing cycle.
3) minutiae about the school's website.

Oh, and he so passionately despises those who are trying to expose their "business plan." Right, he has nothing to do with the school.

Exactly correct.

If AIMS or Medical College or whatever they are called these days was so good, they would reject applicants...

but my guess is that everyone gets in or at least 95% plus.

Now, how is that a good situation?

Also, this has nothing to do with not being happy with "life" or whatever.

It has to do with informing desperate people, to not buy into a pipe dream that this college advertises.

Smarten up people.

 

[Anonymous]

Exactly correct.

If AIMS or Medical College or whatever they are called these days was so good, they would reject applicants...

but my guess is that everyone gets in or at least 95% plus.

Now, how is that a good situation?

Also, this has nothing to do with not being happy with "life" or whatever.

It has to do with informing desperate people, to not buy into a pipe dream that this college advertises.

Smarten up people.

Exactly. Also, keep in mind that these scammers ALWAYS use the following argument:

1) Those trying to expose them is really one guy-- an angry and jealous person who didn't get into MSC, so somehow became a competitive recruiter.
2) MSC has no BBB complaints. (They don't tell you that AIMS had many BBB complaints before it changed its name to Elite.)
3) They have placed 360, or is it 400, or is it 450, or is it 600 MSC grads. (They never tell you the real percentage of grads placed. Ask them how they came up with 81% placement.)
4) "In order to reduce confusion," they changed their recruiting arm's name from Blue Chip, to AIMS, to Elite. (Does this argument even make sense? I mean, come on... what could be more confusing than 3 different names within 4 years?)

If you who feel you've been taken by these shysters, don't hesitate to call the Attorney General's Office in your state. They won't bring you instant relief since they are overburdened, but if they receive enough complaints, they might act.

 

[Anonymous]

Folks, this is legit, Check the bio on the owner:

Jim Rogers has spent the last 25 years in sales and sales management. Jim started his career with Prudential Securities where, by the age of 24, he became the youngest Vice President in the company’s history. Jim’s entrepreneurial endeavors began at the age of 26, when he started his own investment company.

In 1999, Jim sold that company and moved into medical device sales, where he spent four years with Stryker managing successful territories in Arizona and Iowa. In 2004, Jim accepted a position with Wright Medical Technology as the Senior Director of Sales. He was recognized as Director of the Year following his first full year with Wright Medical and was subsequently promoted to Vice President of US Corporate Sales. In that capacity, Jim was tasked with creating a direct sales force to complement the existing distributorship model. His next two years were spent largely in identifying talent and hiring over 100 sales reps and eight sales managers for that company.

It was this first-hand experience that prompted Jim to create a solution to one of the biggest problems faced by the orthopaedic and spine sales industry – finding and hiring great talent. He created the Medical Sales College to address this specific challenge.

Jim is an accomplished salesman, sales manager, executive, consultant, motivational speaker, entrepreneur, and author. His leadership and vision provide a solid foundation for the entire organization.

 

[Anonymous]

Folks, this is legit, Check the bio on the owner:

Jim Rogers has spent the last 25 years in sales and sales management. Jim started his career with Prudential Securities where, by the age of 24, he became the youngest Vice President in the company’s history. Jim’s entrepreneurial endeavors began at the age of 26, when he started his own investment company.

In 1999, Jim sold that company and moved into medical device sales, where he spent four years with Stryker managing successful territories in Arizona and Iowa. In 2004, Jim accepted a position with Wright Medical Technology as the Senior Director of Sales. He was recognized as Director of the Year following his first full year with Wright Medical and was subsequently promoted to Vice President of US Corporate Sales. In that capacity, Jim was tasked with creating a direct sales force to complement the existing distributorship model. His next two years were spent largely in identifying talent and hiring over 100 sales reps and eight sales managers for that company.

It was this first-hand experience that prompted Jim to create a solution to one of the biggest problems faced by the orthopaedic and spine sales industry – finding and hiring great talent. He created the Medical Sales College to address this specific challenge.

Jim is an accomplished salesman, sales manager, executive, consultant, motivational speaker, entrepreneur, and author. His leadership and vision provide a solid foundation for the entire organization.

An obvious autobiography. Mr. Rogers wants us to believe that someone either than himself could compose such an encyclopedic list of his "accomplishments." The fact that a CEO would create such a document tells you a lot about how Elite-MSC does business. Do you see why many are trying to expose this guy?

 

[Anonymous]

Folks, this is legit, Check the bio on the owner:

Jim Rogers has spent the last 25 years in sales and sales management. Jim started his career with Prudential Securities where, by the age of 24, he became the youngest Vice President in the company’s history. Jim’s entrepreneurial endeavors began at the age of 26, when he started his own investment company.

In 1999, Jim sold that company and moved into medical device sales, where he spent four years with Stryker managing successful territories in Arizona and Iowa. In 2004, Jim accepted a position with Wright Medical Technology as the Senior Director of Sales. He was recognized as Director of the Year following his first full year with Wright Medical and was subsequently promoted to Vice President of US Corporate Sales. In that capacity, Jim was tasked with creating a direct sales force to complement the existing distributorship model. His next two years were spent largely in identifying talent and hiring over 100 sales reps and eight sales managers for that company.

It was this first-hand experience that prompted Jim to create a solution to one of the biggest problems faced by the orthopaedic and spine sales industry – finding and hiring great talent. He created the Medical Sales College to address this specific challenge.

Jim is an accomplished salesman, sales manager, executive, consultant, motivational speaker, entrepreneur, and author. His leadership and vision provide a solid foundation for the entire organization.

Here's your accomplishments argument in a nutshell-
Folks, this is legit, Check the bio on the owner:

After high school graduation in 1956, Bernard Madoff headed to University of Alabama, where he stayed for one year before transferring to Hofstra University. In 1959, he married high school sweetheart Ruth, who was attending Queens College with a focus on finance.

The next year, Madoff earned his bachelor's degree in political science from Hofstra. Ruth also graduated, and landed a job on the stock market in Manhattan. Bernard began to study law at Brooklyn Law School, but quit later that year to began his own investment firm. Using the $5,000 he earned from his summer lifeguarding job and a side gig installing sprinkler systems, Madoff and his wife founded Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities, LLC.

With the help of Madoff's father-in-law, a retired C.P.A., the business attracted investors through word-of-mouth and amassed an impressive client list including stars such as Steven Spielberg, Kevin Bacon and Kyra Sedgewick. Madoff Investment Securities grew famous for its reliable annual returns of 10 percent or more and, by the 1980s, his firm handled up to 5 percent of the trading on the New York Stock Exchange.

 

[Anonymous]

Folks, this is legit, Check the bio on the owner:

Jim Rogers has spent the last 25 years in sales and sales management. Jim started his career with Prudential Securities where, by the age of 24, he became the youngest Vice President in the company’s history. Jim’s entrepreneurial endeavors began at the age of 26, when he started his own investment company.

In 1999, Jim sold that company and moved into medical device sales, where he spent four years with Stryker managing successful territories in Arizona and Iowa. In 2004, Jim accepted a position with Wright Medical Technology as the Senior Director of Sales. He was recognized as Director of the Year following his first full year with Wright Medical and was subsequently promoted to Vice President of US Corporate Sales. In that capacity, Jim was tasked with creating a direct sales force to complement the existing distributorship model. His next two years were spent largely in identifying talent and hiring over 100 sales reps and eight sales managers for that company.

It was this first-hand experience that prompted Jim to create a solution to one of the biggest problems faced by the orthopaedic and spine sales industry – finding and hiring great talent. He created the Medical Sales College to address this specific challenge.

Jim is an accomplished salesman, sales manager, executive, consultant, motivational speaker, entrepreneur, and author. His leadership and vision provide a solid foundation for the entire organization.

Here is your argument in a nutshell-

Folks, this is legit, Check the bio on the owner:

After high school graduation in 1956, Madoff headed to University of Alabama, where he stayed for one year before transferring to Hofstra University. In 1959, he married high school sweetheart Ruth, who was attending Queens College with a focus on finance.

The next year, Madoff earned his bachelor's degree in political science from Hofstra. Ruth also graduated, and landed a job on the stock market in Manhattan. Bernard began to study law at Brooklyn Law School, but quit later that year to began his own investment firm. Using the $5,000 he earned from his summer lifeguarding job and a side gig installing sprinkler systems, Madoff and his wife founded Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities, LLC.

With the help of Madoff's father-in-law, a retired C.P.A., the business attracted investors through word-of-mouth and amassed an impressive client list including stars such as Steven Spielberg, Kevin Bacon and Kyra Sedgewick. Madoff Investment Securities grew famous for its reliable annual returns of 10 percent or more and, by the 1980s, his firm handled up to 5 percent of the trading on the New York Stock Exchange.

 

[Anonymous]

The following is a post from a student from another thread. He (angry agenda driven poster) will quickly say this is MSC or an employee.

It is quite clear that they have several people that have attended and several people placed.

All of this HAS been verified even through Mr. Angry poster. It would make sense that former and current students would be on here posting with insight that makes a better case than Mr. Angry.

You see, they couldn't answer any of the following questions that this student posted. They call something a "scam" even though everyone receives an education. I would call a "scam" something you pay for that you either get nothing at all (didn't exist) or something worthless in return. To my knowledge, have you seen anyone complain that they attended the college and it wasn't real? In fact, you will see even negative posters express how good the education is. Therefore, didn't they pay for the education? (I am sure this is why you see no complaints)

Then, look through the hundreds upon hundreds that have jobs in the device industry. You don't see Mr. Angry arguing that people post the college have jobs. What he argues is that the jobs were produced post the education from the students. Who cares? Isn't the idea to get into the most difficult industry?

I like many other graduating students went through the college because even though I had an extensive and successful B2B background, I could get an interview but was always passed on for someone else that had more medical sales experience.

My very first interview post the college and I was placed. I have recommended two other friends. One was placed in January and the other is about to go in-house at Denver. My reason for posting is to support those serious about getting into medical sales.

Because Mr. Angry can't win (this and other threads have been going on since 2008), they stoop to all levels and efforts to defame. They can't answer the simple questions below because they are accurate!!!!!

Can you believe that this "tool" spends this much time posting? he wasn't even a student (of course not he has something to lose hence why he keeps posting).

His latest comments on threads is that he has posted constantly including on the RipOff Report. He obviously has an agenda and is nothing more than a loser than has too much time on his hands. Probably because he either didn't get accepted to MSC, has no money to pay for MSC or has lost all of his recruitment business to MSC.

If you just look through the threads you can see him posting the EXACT comments on every thread. It is so obvious that 95% of what you see is him.

I do like the post hence why I have copied for reference for Mr. Angry A.K.A. "tool"


The postings are almost comical.

People, this is Café “fuckin*” Pharma.

This thread has been here since 2008! It has always been the same thing. Nothing has changed from the posts. The school became a college, the recruitment arm expanded 10 fold and the placements continue.

People will still be blogging ONLY because they remain anonymous. If you WISH it by positing it do you think it will become a reality?

Hmmmm, maybe if I blog for 15 years as a “scam”, after 30,000 placements somebody will listen?

Save it…..

Simple questions if you can answer would prove your point!

1) How did they get licensed as a college and maintain the approval if they are a scam?

2) Why hasn’t anyone filled a complaint against the Medical Sales College either to the licensing board or the BBB if they were “scammed”?

(Ever notice how you never hear a former Medical Sales College graduate tell you how they were scammed? – They have had hundreds…nothing? Even on CP?)

3) How is it that so many people have attended, listed the college on their profiles and have jobs in the industry if it doesn’t work?

4) How would major manufactures allow use of logos and representations if they were a scam without suing them?

5) Why are they listed in major publications, as experts in they are a scam?

6) Why would the Wall Street Journal call Jim Rogers to get his take on the largest mergers in the industry if they are a scam?

7) How in orthopedic trade publications are they featured with “front-page” published articles if they are a scam?

8) How is it that newspapers such as the Commercial Appeal has articles and pictures with multiple VP’s of device companies commenting POSITIVLY if they are a scam?

9) How is it that over 130 pages of REAL STUDENT testimonials on their website exists if it is a scam?

10) Why are employers commenting in the testimonials if they are a scam?

11) Why is the MSC Facebook pages filled with pictures and placements with other students responding POSITIVLY if they are a scam?

12) Why have many major device companies participated in “sales rep” corporate training at their facilities if they are a scam?

13) Why have they participated in presentations at the major national sales meetings if they are a scam?

14) How is it that they have more than 200 jobs if they are a scam?

I could keep going on and on…


The funny thing is that nobody will respond answering each question. It will just be; “because they are a scam”, “certification sucks”, “I wouldn’t hire them”.


The fact is – The MEDICAL SALES COLLEGE works!

Posted from a caring student… Thank you MSC!

 

[Anonymous]

An obvious autobiography. Mr. Rogers wants us to believe that someone either than himself could compose such an encyclopedic list of his "accomplishments." The fact that a CEO would create such a document tells you a lot about how Elite-MSC does business. Do you see why many are trying to expose this guy?

What does his bio on the website have to do with anything? Are you that stupid?

The question is simple, if someone pays for the Medical Sales College, does it work?

I would say with the numerous graduates that are available online with medical sales jobs that the answer is YES!

 

[Anonymous]

The college works! Think about it, we can all drive a car but could not go out today and drive an 18 wheeler. Not without proper training. That's what the college prepares you to do in medical device sales. Just because you sold copiers, does not mean you are going to be successful in med devices sales if you can get in. If I am a hiring manager, and I have two candidates who are equal in all aspects during an interview, but one has the additional training, I am going with that person. They will have the edge and hit the streets quickly when they start. Stop the hate!

 

[Anonymous]

The following is a post from a student from another thread. He (angry agenda driven poster) will quickly say this is MSC or an employee.

It is quite clear that they have several people that have attended and several people placed.

All of this HAS been verified even through Mr. Angry poster. It would make sense that former and current students would be on here posting with insight that makes a better case than Mr. Angry.

You see, they couldn't answer any of the following questions that this student posted. They call something a "scam" even though everyone receives an education. I would call a "scam" something you pay for that you either get nothing at all (didn't exist) or something worthless in return. To my knowledge, have you seen anyone complain that they attended the college and it wasn't real? In fact, you will see even negative posters express how good the education is. Therefore, didn't they pay for the education? (I am sure this is why you see no complaints)

Then, look through the hundreds upon hundreds that have jobs in the device industry. You don't see Mr. Angry arguing that people post the college have jobs. What he argues is that the jobs were produced post the education from the students. Who cares? Isn't the idea to get into the most difficult industry?

I like many other graduating students went through the college because even though I had an extensive and successful B2B background, I could get an interview but was always passed on for someone else that had more medical sales experience.

My very first interview post the college and I was placed. I have recommended two other friends. One was placed in January and the other is about to go in-house at Denver. My reason for posting is to support those serious about getting into medical sales.

Because Mr. Angry can't win (this and other threads have been going on since 2008), they stoop to all levels and efforts to defame. They can't answer the simple questions below because they are accurate!!!!!

Can you believe that this "tool" spends this much time posting? he wasn't even a student (of course not he has something to lose hence why he keeps posting).

His latest comments on threads is that he has posted constantly including on the RipOff Report. He obviously has an agenda and is nothing more than a loser than has too much time on his hands. Probably because he either didn't get accepted to MSC, has no money to pay for MSC or has lost all of his recruitment business to MSC.

If you just look through the threads you can see him posting the EXACT comments on every thread. It is so obvious that 95% of what you see is him.

I do like the post hence why I have copied for reference for Mr. Angry A.K.A. "tool"


The postings are almost comical.

People, this is Café “fuckin*” Pharma.

This thread has been here since 2008! It has always been the same thing. Nothing has changed from the posts. The school became a college, the recruitment arm expanded 10 fold and the placements continue.

People will still be blogging ONLY because they remain anonymous. If you WISH it by positing it do you think it will become a reality?

Hmmmm, maybe if I blog for 15 years as a “scam”, after 30,000 placements somebody will listen?

Save it…..

Simple questions if you can answer would prove your point!

1) How did they get licensed as a college and maintain the approval if they are a scam?

2) Why hasn’t anyone filled a complaint against the Medical Sales College either to the licensing board or the BBB if they were “scammed”?

(Ever notice how you never hear a former Medical Sales College graduate tell you how they were scammed? – They have had hundreds…nothing? Even on CP?)

3) How is it that so many people have attended, listed the college on their profiles and have jobs in the industry if it doesn’t work?

4) How would major manufactures allow use of logos and representations if they were a scam without suing them?

5) Why are they listed in major publications, as experts in they are a scam?

6) Why would the Wall Street Journal call Jim Rogers to get his take on the largest mergers in the industry if they are a scam?

7) How in orthopedic trade publications are they featured with “front-page” published articles if they are a scam?

8) How is it that newspapers such as the Commercial Appeal has articles and pictures with multiple VP’s of device companies commenting POSITIVLY if they are a scam?

9) How is it that over 130 pages of REAL STUDENT testimonials on their website exists if it is a scam?

10) Why are employers commenting in the testimonials if they are a scam?

11) Why is the MSC Facebook pages filled with pictures and placements with other students responding POSITIVLY if they are a scam?

12) Why have many major device companies participated in “sales rep” corporate training at their facilities if they are a scam?

13) Why have they participated in presentations at the major national sales meetings if they are a scam?

14) How is it that they have more than 200 jobs if they are a scam?

I could keep going on and on…


The funny thing is that nobody will respond answering each question. It will just be; “because they are a scam”, “certification sucks”, “I wouldn’t hire them”.


The fact is – The MEDICAL SALES COLLEGE works!

Posted from a caring student… Thank you MSC!

This post is sooooo accurate. I don't understand why people don't see Cafepharma for what it is. It is evident that it works! That is why people blog against it. Trust me, if I didn't work nobody would be talking about it.

People worry when they have something to lose. This is very obvious in this case!

The guy is a loser!

 

[Anonymous]

The college works! Think about it, we can all drive a car but could not go out today and drive an 18 wheeler. Not without proper training. That's what the college prepares you to do in medical device sales. Just because you sold copiers, does not mean you are going to be successful in med devices sales if you can get in. If I am a hiring manager, and I have two candidates who are equal in all aspects during an interview, but one has the additional training, I am going with that person. They will have the edge and hit the streets quickly when they start. Stop the hate!

I'd put a grad of any medical sales college at a disadvantage over someone with an advanced degree such as a masters of business admin or 3 yrs. experience selling copiers.