Are you serious? Here it is folks. For those not in the know, Medical Sales College was formerly known as AIMS and was located in Memphis. AIMS had a shoddy reputation and received legitimate complaints from students. The business names were changed supposedly because they were now registered with the state of Colorado as an education company. By registering with the state they were given a convenient excuse to change the name, rebrand themselves and rid themselves of some of the "reputation baggage" that lingered from AIMS. I think the important thing to note here is that for those that got burned, the individual that was instrumental at AIMS is still in control at MSC and many think he and his cronies can't be trusted.
If I were researching this, I'd be searching for anything in Colorado and TN (Memphis) that referenced:
AIMS (definitely BBB complaints)
Blue Chip Recruiting
Medical Sales College
Elite Medical Recruiting
Now supposedly the recruiting arm is separately owned and managed, but they have an "agreement" to place the MSC students. Look at the MSC site and look at the Elite Medical Recruiting site. One site is as glossy slick as the other and I'm not at all convinced that they aren't still controlled totally by the guy who is behind the reputation problems.
There seems to be only 1 or 2 people with this group who've stayed around for long. Why is that? Why the need for all the name changes? Why the need to relocate? Why the spinoffs? I know what they'd had you believe, but does it make sense to you?
I counted over 200 people with Medical Sales College or AIMS all with medical sales as a job just on LinkedIn. Call it what you want, I call it successful!
You don't place 136 people with the big three without it being a great thing.
Tell me why the big guys are hiring all of them if it's a scam?
You're just a loser with a lot of free time on your hands. Call it what it is!
Saying that Stryker, Zimmer, Depuy is using MSC is misleading. A Stryker distributor hiring a rep is one thing....Stryker hiring a direct rep is something very different.
I have been asked to forward on this information and respond to your post.
As we have maintained in our responses, we are not going to use our customer’s specific names on a blog post. Nonetheless, we will indicate enough information to clearly validate our company.
You asked about the “big three” and why linking was not available. If you search any of the device manufactures, you will not see any education centers or recruiters linked. As for your question about “endorsement”, same answer as above. I guess the real question about endorsement could be found elsewhere.
I cannot comment of the extent of “endorsement” from any company because I am not allowed to speak on their behalf. I can tell you that we are approaching almost 200 graduates through our educational platforms that have represented the top “five” device manufactures. In addition another 250+ more that represent others. Now you know where the majority of our students go.
This is what I can tell you…
Zimmer – The Director, of Global Training has visited our facility.
Depuy – We have met with the Director of Sales Education, VP of Sales and VP of Operations at their corporate offices. We have had several executives visit our facilities. We also were asked to participate in their national sales meeting, which we did.
Stryker – The Director, Sales Education has visited our facility and spoken to our students. We have met with the HR department and have several contacts with the company. We also have received from AMY (HR) their logo for use on our website which confirms the previous poster is yet again wrong.
Smith & Nephew – The Group Director and Director of Sales Academy has visited our facilities. We have had executive’s tour and speak to our students.
Biomet – We have had several executives’ tour and speak at our facilities. We have presented at their National Sales Meeting. We have had multiple Biomet specific corporate programs in collaboration with them. A former student was promoted to a Director of Training of a division.
YESTERDAY, the Director of HR and Sales Education Manager was at our facility and watched/participated in role-plays with our students.
Additional –
Last week we had another Director of Sales Education along with the management team here onsite as we were working together in a sales education program for their existing sales representatives.
Lastly, our placement services provider (Elite Med) has positions representing four of the five above with current open opportunities. Currently, they have 245 open positions.
So I don’t know what kind of endorsement you are looking for but hope you find the above information helpful.
It is absurd making an effort to fight an individual that has and will continue to hide as the anonymous poster. I can assure you that this individual has much more time on his hands than we do. We can assume the motive, as we are confidant the source.
On January 29th, this individual between 1:20 and 2:56 launched another campaign across several threads that he created earlier to spark additional debate that he could comment back and forth and appear as several people. This has been repeated several times.
What you NEVER see are examples or more important a name that can confirm the comments and why he feels that way. Of course we know why he doesn’t submit his name.
He continues to post on threads that have no relevance in hope that under a company name might seek more exposure. Obviously, this person seeks personal gain through this campaign. Additional comments are so absurd such as “lawsuits, class-actions and recently made mention that a company is suing our school for use of their name. Our company has never received a formal complaint from a student or litigation of any kind nor has a company contacted us about unauthorized use of a logo or representation.
This like everything else from this poster is a blatant lie.
We have had several hundreds of people both new to the industry and existing representatives that we have trained our educational programs. Unfortunately, our educational programs do not ensure 100% success. That is up to the individual that we train. Therefore, cases do exist like any training offered in which not everyone would be happy. Specifically when you work with the high volume of people as we do. Logically, if one would feel “scammed” it would be obvious to first complain to the State Education Commission (if they had a claim we ARE bonded which would allow the department to refund or compensate a former student). Since the inception of the Medical Sales College no student has EVER complained. The next logical step would be to file a grievance or complaint with the Better Business Bureau as they work with businesses to resolve amicably any complaints. It is not unlikely to find a company with complaints (specifically high volumes) but again we have nothing! We are not registered with the BBB nor pay them any fee. Lastly, the next logical solution would be to contact the Attorney General office. The education commission has direct representation with this department and our numbers (placements) have been verified through the AG office.
The only negative information you see against the Medical Sales College is the last resort (Cafepharma) in which is 100% unsubstantiated, opinion based and naturally motivated with an agenda (could be recruiter or unplaced student). It would be obvious why somebody would use this resource (CP) as it allows for pure fabrication. As someone previously has asked, if someone whom has attended the program would specifically comment on how they were “scammed”, I could respond. However, nobody has responded therefore naturally I can assume that all comments are unfounded and agenda driven.
To the latest comment about the “big three”, I will have a response for that in a few minutes.
Shannon Marshall
Director of Social Media
I have been asked to forward on this information and respond to your post.
As we have maintained in our responses, we are not going to use our customer’s specific names on a blog post. Nonetheless, we will indicate enough information to clearly validate our company.
You asked about the “big three” and why linking was not available. If you search any of the device manufactures, you will not see any education centers or recruiters linked. As for your question about “endorsement”, same answer as above. I guess the real question about endorsement could be found elsewhere.
I cannot comment of the extent of “endorsement” from any company because I am not allowed to speak on their behalf. I can tell you that we are approaching almost 200 graduates through our educational platforms that have represented the top “five” device manufactures. In addition another 250+ more that represent others. Now you know where the majority of our students go.
This is what I can tell you…
Zimmer – The Director, of Global Training has visited our facility.
Depuy – We have met with the Director of Sales Education, VP of Sales and VP of Operations at their corporate offices. We have had several executives visit our facilities. We also were asked to participate in their national sales meeting, which we did.
Stryker – The Director, Sales Education has visited our facility and spoken to our students. We have met with the HR department and have several contacts with the company. We also have received from AMY (HR) their logo for use on our website which confirms the previous poster is yet again wrong.
Smith & Nephew – The Group Director and Director of Sales Academy has visited our facilities. We have had executive’s tour and speak to our students.
Biomet – We have had several executives’ tour and speak at our facilities. We have presented at their National Sales Meeting. We have had multiple Biomet specific corporate programs in collaboration with them. A former student was promoted to a Director of Training of a division.
YESTERDAY, the Director of HR and Sales Education Manager was at our facility and watched/participated in role-plays with our students.
Additional –
Last week we had another Director of Sales Education along with the management team here onsite as we were working together in a sales education program for their existing sales representatives.
Lastly, our placement services provider (Elite Med) has positions representing four of the five above with current open opportunities. Currently, they have 245 open positions.
So I don’t know what kind of endorsement you are looking for but hope you find the above information helpful.
This quote is from About.com. Sound familiar?
"Recruiting Scams
Recruiters may contact you saying [they] have clients with positions that you could be qualified for, though they don't have current openings. However, they also offer training sessions you should purchase to enhance your candidacy.
Scam Details: This is another attempt to sell you services, rather than to recruit you for legitimate job openings."
Link to full article:
http://jobsearch.about.com/od/jobsearchscams/qt/careerscams.htm
Can you see now how Elite gets around this? Elite doesn't directly sell to a jobseeker, but instead "recommends" their separate corporation, Medical Sales College (MSC), to enhance a jobseeker's candidacy.
When Elite was called AIMS, they advertised that hiring companies are NOT charged at all. So how then did AIMS make money? Let me guess...from people who wanted to break into medical sales and were willing and able to pay MSC.
Now that AIMS renamed itself Elite, they claim to charge hiring companies the least in the industry at a flat $2,000 per experienced recruit. Of course they can, since when they were AIMS, they didn't charge companies at all. (Keep in mind "experienced" doesn't mean "MSC grad.")
At the end of the day, these people probably get paid whether or not their medical sales college graduates get medical sales positions.
I absolutely believe what I wrote above, and my anonymity doesn't detract from my message. Ultimately, it's up to the consumer to make up his or her mind about Elite/MSC.
As a consumer and very interested in the medical sales training programs, I have read through several of your posts and wanted to share my thoughts.
I appreciate your efforts however, you appear to be very determined to make a point without any good concrete information. All of your posts continues to be aimed at the recruitment process although their system appears to be very effective at educating and placing candidates into medical sales positions. I believe a "scam" would be inline with taking money with nothing in return. In this case (correct me if I am wrong), everyone completes an eight week course in medical sales training. Therefore, individuals are now more prepared for a career in medical sales.
My only interest in the program is based on the learning process, recruitment side of the business and can they help me get past the other thousands of resumes a recruiter or company may receive. It appears that is the case!
One question based on your comment, how is it that hundreds of people have the Medical Sales College on their profiles and have jobs in medical sales? Wouldn't that indicate that they probably have jobs? If all these executives are visiting the facility, it would make sense that they have demand. That is where I totally disagree with your logic.
I look at it like anything with education. You pay to learn and utilize the education for finding a position. Through the education you become a better candidate. I can only imagine that you become more of an asset to a company with additional training. I am certain that is why you are seeing the success. If a company has a training period of one or two weeks, why wouldn't an additional eight weeks help? It would seem to lessen the learning curve and make you more productive from the start. I haven't read one thread from a former graduate that has indicated that the training was not productive. It seems the only negativity is from those who have utilized the training and have not found jobs. That isn't any different than any normal education. I am sure millions of unemployed college graduates are a little pissed paying $50,000 for school and having no job.
As with all education I am sure some people find it a waste of money. How many people do you believe have Masters, PHD's and other degrees that didn't assist in economic value?
I believe from what I have seen that this seems like a very legitimate concept.
Frankly, you seem a little pissed off about something...
Mike Stanfield
Hello,
I think this is a fabulous program.
Hello,
I just want to say that I really did believe this was a great program but my only question is why did we just pay you guys and my husband who was eager to start waited on a conference call for over 20 mins tonight for the call tonight at 8 pm EST? No one was on the call. I want answers.
Hello,
I posted this comment as I was very concerned that we had paid and and after reading some of the negative comments on here I started to rethink our decision. I wanted to inform everyone that this was a miscommunication and the instructor who called my husband this morning was very polite and I feel at ease. For the person who wrote I am shocked they even accepted your husband into the program you have to remain calm in the OR etc... I wrote this not my husband. I am a very outspoken person and I deal with my feelings differently than my spouse who is very calm. I can tell you my husband has a good career and has a degree and is very smart. He has been trying to break into Medical Device sales since I met him 8 years ago and has had a few interviews in the industry with no luck. What he does have is a very strong sales background and after much discussion we decided that this school could only be a positive for his career. I am excited for him and really appreciate the fact that the school has been so professional. By the way I signed my name so I just wanted to let everyone know I am not an employee of the school.
Thank you,
C.Miller
Hello,
I just want to say that I really did believe this was a great program but my only question is why did we just pay you guys and my husband who was eager to start waited on a conference call for over 20 mins tonight for the call tonight at 8 pm EST? No one was on the call. I want answers.
Hello,
I posted this comment as I was very concerned that we had paid and and after reading some of the negative comments on here I started to rethink our decision. I wanted to inform everyone that this was a miscommunication and the instructor who called my husband this morning was very polite and I feel at ease. For the person who wrote I am shocked they even accepted your husband into the program you have to remain calm in the OR etc... I wrote this not my husband. I am a very outspoken person and I deal with my feelings differently than my spouse who is very calm. I can tell you my husband has a good career and has a degree and is very smart. He has been trying to break into Medical Device sales since I met him 8 years ago and has had a few interviews in the industry with no luck. What he does have is a very strong sales background and after much discussion we decided that this school could only be a positive for his career. I am excited for him and really appreciate the fact that the school has been so professional. By the way I signed my name so I just wanted to let everyone know I am not an employee of the school.
Thank you,
C.Miller
After the course, should your husband not get help from these people in finding a medical sales job, my guess is they will say it was all his fault.
