Medical Sales College. Is it for Real?

[Anonymous]

very true.

this marshall women must be a young woman, who doesn't know much about the corporate world.

its funny how this organization uses a woman as their front, because the "leaders" don't have the courage to post.

Once you get about 5 years of sales experience (pharma sales is sales and don't let people fool you into thinking it is not), you can sell anything.

Even if you don't have the techinical knowledge on a product or the other background necessary, you can easily learn that if you are smart, and then, apply the sales model and market model and work ethic and presentation skills to be successful.

Sales is not a complicated job.

And I can't stand people that claim it is.

Those that claim sales is complicated, are really not good sales people!

#13

I appreciate you believing that I am a young person. I feel younger if that counts!

I have experience up and above having the current position as the Director of Social Media, which included managing an entire medical device recruitment team. I have spoken with hundreds of the top executives in medical sales. I understand a thing or two about the corporate world. Specifically what hiring managers are looking for.

Do you really expect our “leaders” to worry about positing or more important spending time posting on websites? You question courage? I would question why they would spend anytime and frankly would be concerned. Much to your dismay and efforts, do you know that we rarely have a prospective student even bring up Cafepharma? Then again with the larger amount of accepted students coming from referrals, why would we? Lastly, did you know we receive almost 30,000 resumes monthly? That’s a lot of people to catch with your agenda.

As far as experience outside of medical sales, it goes to an earlier post that I explained the more than 375 resumes received per position. You better have something really good standout on your resume. Even though you can sell “anything” you still need an opportunity first to get the interview, then to get the job.

Shannon Marshall
Director of Social Media
Medical Sales College

 

[Anonymous]

Perhaps you can tell me why out of our class of 11, that only about 3 people ever got interviews that were lined up by your supposed great recruiting team. And the only two people to get jobs got them on their own with no help from the recruiting team. And why I, as a class valedictorian, only got one interview and that was 5 months after graduating?

#15

Many times what you believe the results are might be inaccurate. First, please give me the class number and or start date and I will respond on the placement figure.

As you can imagine not all of our classes are going to be as fortunate as others. In many cases, we have had the entire class placed although our placement rate is not 100%. Therefore, we also have underperforming classes as well. You and others seem to care on who placed the student. Our suggestion post graduation is for us both (our placement services provider) and you to try. Do you really think we care who gets the job done first? When we use the term “placed” we are talking about students that have graduated from the Medical Sales College that are now employed.

Keep in mind that the former placement services arm had 4 people in recruiting. They now have 30. We also have a much better track record in performance for hiring companies. To illustrate this see our website where 3 of our former graduates finished 1st, 2nd, and 3rd and were the only recognized sales achievers for this orthopedic company at their National Sales Meeting a couple weeks ago. It was a great email!

I am happy that you achieved class valedictorian. It also is very important that we have an even higher placement rate as we believe these are the very best we produce. I am not sure why you didn’t get the job you interviewed for. Not all of our graduates interview the same. I also believe that if you were making the right efforts for obtaining interviews you certainly would have had more. Then again, almost 70% of our graduates get hired with the first company they interview with.

I am sorry that the experience hasn’t been a successful one for you yet. I do encourage reaching out to me so I can make sure we are doing everything on our side to make you more visible. As a former Valedictorian you will now see on our Career Services tab of the website in which we advertise these performers for more exposure.

Best of luck!

Shannon Marshall
Director of Social Media
Medical Sales College

 

[Anonymous]

#13

I appreciate you believing that I am a young person. I feel younger if that counts!

I have experience up and above having the current position as the Director of Social Media, which included managing an entire medical device recruitment team. I have spoken with hundreds of the top executives in medical sales. I understand a thing or two about the corporate world. Specifically what hiring managers are looking for.

Do you really expect our “leaders” to worry about positing or more important spending time posting on websites? You question courage? I would question why they would spend anytime and frankly would be concerned. Much to your dismay and efforts, do you know that we rarely have a prospective student even bring up Cafepharma? Then again with the larger amount of accepted students coming from referrals, why would we? Lastly, did you know we receive almost 30,000 resumes monthly? That’s a lot of people to catch with your agenda.

As far as experience outside of medical sales, it goes to an earlier post that I explained the more than 375 resumes received per position. You better have something really good standout on your resume. Even though you can sell “anything” you still need an opportunity first to get the interview, then to get the job.

Shannon Marshall
Director of Social Media
Medical Sales College

I respect your courage very much!

Good luck with your future endeavors.

 

[Anonymous]

#15

Shannon Marshall
Director of Social Media
Medical Sales College


SHANNON, Before I turned over any potential candidates to your organization or would agree to work with you in that capacity I would want to know if Jim Rogers is still affiliated with the school? You mention you sign your name which somehow validates your posts to those that are marked anonymous. You are paid by the school and it is your job to include your name. It is my job to protect my Company and any future candidates. In order to gain credability and be more than just a paid mouth piece, Shannon, I respectfully am asking if Jim Rogers, his wife Carrie Rogers or Jim's former wife Kim Smalley are still affiliated with the school. Your lack of forthright answers to simple question will cause suspicion not only to myself but anyone who comes to this page looking for honesty. This will help me to determine if I will be sending future candidates your way.

 

[Anonymous]

#15

Shannon Marshall
Director of Social Media
Medical Sales College


SHANNON, Before I turned over any potential candidates to your organization or would agree to work with you in that capacity I would want to know if Jim Rogers is still affiliated with the school? You mention you sign your name which somehow validates your posts to those that are marked anonymous. You are paid by the school and it is your job to include your name. It is my job to protect my Company and any future candidates. In order to gain credability and be more than just a paid mouth piece, Shannon, I respectfully am asking if Jim Rogers, his wife Carrie Rogers or Jim's former wife Kim Smalley are still affiliated with the school. Your lack of forthright answers to simple question will cause suspicion not only to myself but anyone who comes to this page looking for honesty. This will help me to determine if I will be sending future candidates your way.

In all due respect, it appears “odd” that a recruiter would post at 2:23AM looking at our company asking for some sort of validation to a “simple” question that the answer would be basis for “turning over” a candidate.

How much more credibility do you want than the nearly 450 grads who have gained employment through our educational platform (photos and companies posted)? How much more credibility do you want than to know that we’re regulated, approved, AND bonded by the State of Colorado? How much more credibility do you want than the many surgeons (each of whom are leaders in their respective fields) who have partnered with us? How much more credibility do you want than the many orthopedic companies that visit us each year?

As you mentioned the words forthright and honesty, I believe you owe it to the readers to disclose your identity. Without your identity, how would anyone know that you really are a recruiter? Please let us all know your recruitment company and name. At that point we can continue the conversation….

If we don’t receive validation of the poster it ruins all credibility of this and almost every post that has a hidden agenda.

 

[Anonymous]

In all due respect, it appears “odd” that a recruiter would post at 2:23AM looking at our company asking for some sort of validation to a “simple” question that the answer would be basis for “turning over” a candidate.

How much more credibility do you want than the nearly 450 grads who have gained employment through our educational platform (photos and companies posted)? How much more credibility do you want than to know that we’re regulated, approved, AND bonded by the State of Colorado? How much more credibility do you want than the many surgeons (each of whom are leaders in their respective fields) who have partnered with us? How much more credibility do you want than the many orthopedic companies that visit us each year?

As you mentioned the words forthright and honesty, I believe you owe it to the readers to disclose your identity. Without your identity, how would anyone know that you really are a recruiter? Please let us all know your recruitment company and name. At that point we can continue the conversation….

If we don’t receive validation of the poster it ruins all credibility of this and almost every post that has a hidden agenda.

COMMENTS are often held by CF and posted once they are reviewed, so noting the time is irrelevent, as is your need for my name, neither point you've tried to make is germane to the discussion. Your inability to answer a straight forward question is all the answer I need. Any information (or lack of in this instance) is good information, it is what one chooses to do with it, and I choose to send candidates elsewhere. Thank you for your time and best of luck to you.

 

[Anonymous]

COMMENTS are often held by CF and posted once they are reviewed, so noting the time is irrelevent, as is your need for my name, neither point you've tried to make is germane to the discussion. Your inability to answer a straight forward question is all the answer I need. Any information (or lack of in this instance) is good information, it is what one chooses to do with it, and I choose to send candidates elsewhere. Thank you for your time and best of luck to you.

Ms. Marshall is not the one to question. The only one ducking a reasonable answer is you. I often wondered the creditability of these posts. Now with you as the “recruiter”, it is very obvious that you are a fraud. If not, here is your perfect opportunity to bring great conversation. Here you go hiding. Um…. Send your CANDIDATES elsewhere. Win…MSC!

You have no candidates. Duh!

 

[Anonymous]

#12

I agree that networking can help. Again, keep in mind that you are up against hundreds for that same position. The manager most likely will want more than networking like practical experience. Meaning, you can work right away with results. How can you possibly do that without knowing how to perform the job? Do you believe a surgeon will give you his or her business when you can’t even pronounce the procedure? These surgeons are under a great deal of risk with increased malpractice. What sells is passion. How can you be passionate about something you have very little confidence of? You can only be confident of something you have knowledge. That is where experience comes in.

On another note, I always believe someone has an agenda when they post. #12 is yet a great example. If you look closely to what he or she says;

“I have been in capital equipment sales for several years and was in pharma before that. Over my career, I have working with many recruiters. None of which ever suggested that I need any AIMS certification. In fact, I would guess the vast majority of recruiters do not even know what that means.”

Unless this individual has been changing jobs within capital sales on an annual basis, I am not sure why they would be working with so many recruiters (red flag), I also don’t believe that all recruiters know what AIMS certification would be considering it doesn’t exist. I would bet however that they all know the Medical Sales College. I also bet they do not like it. Why would they? It has taken 400+ jobs away from them and has created another source for candidates that cost the employer zero. Who would you rather have the former copier salesman for a $15,000 fee or the former copier salesman 8-weeks trained for a $0 fee?


Shannon Marshall
Director of Social Media
Medical Sales College

Shannon, really? Do you really think someone of my education level and experience would have trouble "pronouncing the procedure name", really? I have a Masters in Biology, which means I have way more knowledge to begin with than most people do entering into these positions. I can learn in a day any "surgical terms and/or procedure names" to be fully prepared to do the job and in less than a month enough practical experience to do the job well. Bottom line - nothing is that hard. Thanks for your valuable input.

 

[Anonymous]

Ms. Marshall is not the one to question. The only one ducking a reasonable answer is you. I often wondered the creditability of these posts. Now with you as the “recruiter”, it is very obvious that you are a fraud. If not, here is your perfect opportunity to bring great conversation. Here you go hiding. Um…. Send your CANDIDATES elsewhere. Win…MSC!

You have no candidates. Duh!

Responses like this should be a red flag to anyone looking into this program. In a down turned economy I would exercise caution giving anyone the amount of money required for information you can get from any device rep or recuiter over a few lunches or dinners. The concept of the school was good in theory; however, the execution and ownership have left a lot to be desired from pervious interactions. My hope and reason for questions regarding ownership was that if Jim Rogers, et. al had nothing to do with the school I would work with the new Company; however that is clearly not the case. My advice to anyone looking to get into the industry is do your research on why this Company would make multiple name changes (not from a paid company spokesperson) and why are their answers to simple questions are defensive and lacking professionalism?

 

[Anonymous]

#15

Shannon Marshall
Director of Social Media
Medical Sales College


SHANNON, Before I turned over any potential candidates to your organization or would agree to work with you in that capacity I would want to know if Jim Rogers is still affiliated with the school? You mention you sign your name which somehow validates your posts to those that are marked anonymous. You are paid by the school and it is your job to include your name. It is my job to protect my Company and any future candidates. In order to gain credability and be more than just a paid mouth piece, Shannon, I respectfully am asking if Jim Rogers, his wife Carrie Rogers or Jim's former wife Kim Smalley are still affiliated with the school. Your lack of forthright answers to simple question will cause suspicion not only to myself but anyone who comes to this page looking for honesty. This will help me to determine if I will be sending future candidates your way.

How does Rogers' involvement play into this? He's shown on the website.

 

[Anonymous]

#12

I agree that networking can help. Again, keep in mind that you are up against hundreds for that same position. The manager most likely will want more than networking like practical experience. Meaning, you can work right away with results. How can you possibly do that without knowing how to perform the job? Do you believe a surgeon will give you his or her business when you can’t even pronounce the procedure? These surgeons are under a great deal of risk with increased malpractice. What sells is passion. How can you be passionate about something you have very little confidence of? You can only be confident of something you have knowledge. That is where experience comes in.

On another note, I always believe someone has an agenda when they post. #12 is yet a great example. If you look closely to what he or she says;

“I have been in capital equipment sales for several years and was in pharma before that. Over my career, I have working with many recruiters. None of which ever suggested that I need any AIMS certification. In fact, I would guess the vast majority of recruiters do not even know what that means.”

Unless this individual has been changing jobs within capital sales on an annual basis, I am not sure why they would be working with so many recruiters (red flag), I also don’t believe that all recruiters know what AIMS certification would be considering it doesn’t exist. I would bet however that they all know the Medical Sales College. I also bet they do not like it. Why would they? It has taken 400+ jobs away from them and has created another source for candidates that cost the employer zero. Who would you rather have the former copier salesman for a $15,000 fee or the former copier salesman 8-weeks trained for a $0 fee?


Shannon Marshall
Director of Social Media
Medical Sales College

Wrong, just changed jobs once. As you know, its not like you only work with one recruiter when you are looking for a new job. You work with any that have opening in your area that you are interested in pursuing. I have nothing against your "school", I am just saying that if you have solid sales experience, then you do not need any additional certifications. Maybe, this would take an average candidate and put them into the good candidate category.

 

[Anonymous]

Wrong, just changed jobs once. As you know, its not like you only work with one recruiter when you are looking for a new job. You work with any that have opening in your area that you are interested in pursuing. I have nothing against your "school", I am just saying that if you have solid sales experience, then you do not need any additional certifications. Maybe, this would take an average candidate and put them into the good candidate category.

I don't see where Shannon made any mention of a certification being "required". I see an earlier post that she specifically stated that it is not required. I do believe that she is correct in saying that the medical college education would certainly help. I can tell you that our company has hired more than 30 medical college graduates. Many of them are doing very well in our rankings.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't see where Shannon made any mention of a certification being "required". I see an earlier post that she specifically stated that it is not required. I do believe that she is correct in saying that the medical college education would certainly help. I can tell you that our company has hired more than 30 medical college graduates. Many of them are doing very well in our rankings.

What is the name of your company? I agree, this type of thing probably helps an average candidate become a good candidate. However, if you have good sales numbers this is not needed.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't see where Shannon made any mention of a certification being "required". I see an earlier post that she specifically stated that it is not required. I do believe that she is correct in saying that the medical college education would certainly help. I can tell you that our company has hired more than 30 medical college graduates. Many of them are doing very well in our rankings.

As the valedictorian whom they screwed over, I can tell you that the education was top notch. When I left the class, I could have a conversation with any doctor in the country about their procedures and be able to talk about benefits of certain products. And I didn't have any medical knowledge before I started the class. The school side of the business is not the problem.

 

[Anonymous]

As the valedictorian whom they screwed over, I can tell you that the education was top notch. When I left the class, I could have a conversation with any doctor in the country about their procedures and be able to talk about benefits of certain products. And I didn't have any medical knowledge before I started the class. The school side of the business is not the problem.

As a former student, I couldn’t agree with you more. The education is terrific and well worth the money! I just recently am placed and a little confused from your statement that you were “screwed over”? How was that possible? Did you go the Medical Sales College or American Institute of Medical Sales (AIMS)?

 

[Anonymous]

As a former student, I couldn’t agree with you more. The education is terrific and well worth the money! I just recently am placed and a little confused from your statement that you were “screwed over”? How was that possible? Did you go the Medical Sales College or American Institute of Medical Sales (AIMS)?

I went when it was still just AIMS. They built how they had so many contacts and that they would be able to find us many interviews. I was never guaranteed an interview, but as a valedictorian, you would figure that would count for something.

 

[Anonymous]

How does Rogers' involvement play into this? He's shown on the website.

I prefer to do business with ethical people.

 

[Anonymous]

I had an interview today and this is the second device company manager that has recommended the Medical Sales College. I am starting to believe that this may be the only way to land a job. Outside of the Medical College, any other ideas of getting in? I have sent numerous resumes and have a fabulous B2B track record. However, I seem to be a good candidate just not the selected one.

 

[Anonymous]

And then she was gone

 

[Anonymous]

And then she was gone

Who is gone?