Is it true OCEAN done in September?

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Anonymous said:
We would would of heard by now. I am pretty sure we are done in Sept.
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I agree. Additionally, it was announced this evening that BMS is buying Amylin and AZ is part of the deal... When buyout is complete, AZ will be paying BMS 3.4 billion in cash to collaborate on Amylin's products and pipeline. SO, ending this contract in September (as planned) is an easy way free up some cash. Sure, we're cheaper, but they're not ready to cut more of their direct sales force until they know more of what their future looks like. And I think it's obvious they don't need us all!

As for the upcoming district POAs... They don't mean anything... Just a quick, cheap and easy way to try and keep us focused and motivated for one more quarter.
 






You really don't think keeping us on will cost that much? If this is what they need to do to free up some cash as you say. Why would they even consider keeping any of us? From the very beginning this whole contract has made me feel like a wounded animal waiting to be put of of my misery. From our first if you want to call it a list, to the last no bonus then make more calls report. Too many reps selling or should I say carrying Crestor. CVA's that lock you out of the office. No collaboration with the AZ people, and goals that are set so high without consideration their is a generic out there, nobody will obtain them. Reports change more than the customer list these days and just try to get someone to try to explain them to you. Sure, some might be kept and I want to say this is good for you, it will help buy you some time. At the end of the day your still be a contract rep waiting and hoping for that next extention or not. POA's, Pharmacy calls, please you gest...
 












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You really don't think keeping us on will cost that much? If this is what they need to do to free up some cash as you say. Why would they even consider keeping any of us? From the very beginning this whole contract has made me feel like a wounded animal waiting to be put of of my misery. From our first if you want to call it a list, to the last no bonus then make more calls report. Too many reps selling or should I say carrying Crestor. CVA's that lock you out of the office. No collaboration with the AZ people, and goals that are set so high without consideration their is a generic out there, nobody will obtain them. Reports change more than the customer list these days and just try to get someone to try to explain them to you. Sure, some might be kept and I want to say this is good for you, it will help buy you some time. At the end of the day your still be a contract rep waiting and hoping for that next extention or not. POA's, Pharmacy calls, please you gest...
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The above post is confusing... I think you misunderstood the post you may have been replying to... It stated the OCEAN team is "cheaper" than the direct sales force (obviously)... BUT, ending the contract as planned in September is an easy way free up some cash. They don't need us all... We are most likely done. But hey, we have to admit it's a contract and was for 1 year. We shouldn't be surprised.
 






Anonymous said:
The above post is confusing... I think you misunderstood the post you may have been replying to... It stated the OCEAN team is "cheaper" than the direct sales force (obviously)... BUT, ending the contract as planned in September is an easy way free up some cash. They don't need us all... We are most likely done. But hey, we have to admit it's a contract and was for 1 year. We shouldn't be surprised.
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When I was in Orlando with y'all back in September, I could have sworn that they made reference to this contract being one year. So, what's up with people that think its going to be renewed?
 






If we are performing well in our geography and AZ has an open position, are we allowed to apply and interview for the AZ position? I'm pretty sure we're allowed to, but not positive...
Would be nice if we could!
 






This whole industry has become a joke. What was once a career is now a job. Everybody is looking over their shoulder wondering if they are next. Results are completely fabricated. Will the people at the top look to fix this mess? No way in hell. As long as they can keep taking home big buckets of money and control the salesforce by fear of layoffs they will continue to use this broken system until they can sell of to one of the bigger pharma companies. Contract is even worse. What was once a way to get someone out of college exposer to the industry without fully commiting to them. Has now become the norm. Can you read and do you present yourself well? Youre hired. Don't even get me started withthe next new wave called the CSA's. With the dismantling of the industry and how it works. Those at the top can require more without spending more. First no golf, no spouses, no plays, no entertainment of any sort. Why not because we are an ethical industry. Then comes Pharma guidelines which means no pen, paper ect... Why? Because we are an ethical industry and need to be seen as such in the eyes of the public. Doctors are being swayed by giving them a pen switchs their prescribing habits. No sign this doctors and staff because we have to report what we spend on you so the public can see how good we are. B.S. on the whole lot of it. Just like the implementation of contract as the future to save companies money. Pharma has saved money too. Does it come down to the people who are truely do the work? The gov. is the puppet master and they are pulling the strings now even more than ever. Coruption does pay as long as your at the top and can afford the fine.
 












I hope you are not so stupid to think this mean contract good thru December. It might get extened for a few but not all is my guess. Could be intresting now that AZ has part of Amylin. Time will tell if they convert some to Diabeties products and scale back on those promoting Crestor. Good luck to us all.
 






I'm pretty sure you can apply for the AZ position and interview for it.....at least that's what my manager said would eventually happen with the good reps being "lured" in by AZ......
 






Anonymous said:
I'm pretty sure you can apply for the AZ position and interview for it.....at least that's what my manager said would eventually happen with the good reps being "lured" in by AZ......
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good reps in pharma?

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and how do you assess good reps in pharma?

those that are well liked by their managers.

pharma is such an embarrasment if you are in a big company. at least the small company reps and independent reps are reasonable at what they do.

those at AZ are just silly.

good reps!

that is so funny.
 






Getting back on track with this thread...

We're starting the third quarter and have been told this contract could still be extended but it is TBD... Realistically, does anyone think it could be? Maybe 90 days at least?

If it does end on schedule in September, what's the word on new contracts? Supposedly there are some new contracts in the works and could start Q4. Any word on who they might be with?
 






Anonymous said:
Getting back on track with this thread...

We're starting the third quarter and have been told this contract could still be extended but it is TBD... Realistically, does anyone think it could be? Maybe 90 days at least?

If it does end on schedule in September, what's the word on new contracts? Supposedly there are some new contracts in the works and could start Q4. Any word on who they might be with?
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Overall, New Rxs with Crestor have increased since Ocean has been promoting. The contract should be extended possibly on a quarter to quarter basis.
 






Pearls from the POA. 1. New goals go from 4.8 to 4.7. Really? in a market that has genric atorva now you expect growth? As a side note the measurement from the 3 by 3 pits you up against growing numbers of brand Lip and Crestor in 2011 when Simva got it's label update. So you take your 2012 numbers vs. growing 2011 numbers of Crestor and try to make them grow further. Good luck on that one. That being said, the numbers are complete B.S. now that we have a new vendor or so they say, numbers are down throughout. How's that hope and change thing working for you now? 2. Did we forget to tell you that we aren't paying you on the people we told you we would a few months ago? This one must have slipped upper managements mind. 3. New slides in the deck. Now there something to get excited about. Whats that you say doctor you just saw a Crestor rep yesterday and another one today? Overlap is killing the message. 4. No new from managment as for contract extention speaks volumes. It was signed as a one year deal and that's what it will be. Some might be kept but the saying of "why kill the cow when you get the milk for free" comes to mind.
 






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Pearls from the POA. 1. New goals go from 4.8 to 4.7. Really? in a market that has genric atorva now you expect growth? As a side note the measurement from the 3 by 3 pits you up against growing numbers of brand Lip and Crestor in 2011 when Simva got it's label update. So you take your 2012 numbers vs. growing 2011 numbers of Crestor and try to make them grow further. Good luck on that one. That being said, the numbers are complete B.S. now that we have a new vendor or so they say, numbers are down throughout. How's that hope and change thing working for you now? 2. Did we forget to tell you that we aren't paying you on the people we told you we would a few months ago? This one must have slipped upper managements mind. 3. New slides in the deck. Now there something to get excited about. Whats that you say doctor you just saw a Crestor rep yesterday and another one today? Overlap is killing the message. 4. No new from managment as for contract extention speaks volumes. It was signed as a one year deal and that's what it will be. Some might be kept but the saying of "why kill the cow when you get the milk for free" comes to mind.
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The contract will likely be extended, how long and other specifics are sketchy at this point. Ocean head count may be reduced in metro areas. The contract should run at least until December.
 






Anonymous said:
The contract will likely be extended, how long and other specifics are sketchy at this point. Ocean head count may be reduced in metro areas. The contract should run at least until December.
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Really? If that's the case, then we would know by now... AT LEAST by Aug. 1. I'm not saying it's not possible, but they're going to shoot themselves in the foot if they don't at least say they're negotiating something, that it's in the works, etc.
 






To come here and say that contract is going to get extened is pure B.S. You don't have a clue or any say in the matter. I believe because it has taken so long to hear anything that it will be done in Sept. If you have good news and want to keep reps happy and working you would share this news as soon as possible. Look at how this joke has gone since day one. Sure Florida was nice but list is a complete joke. Fair at the least to pay us out at to rate. Next list, of the many to follow was a little better but then when came time to pay out. It was after the quater had ended and then share what the goals were. Reports are as good as the paper you might wipe your ass with. They say one thng and then the next week another. I.T. can't figure out how to solve even the smallest problem. Adding CSA reps to the mix only overloaded the offices with people carrying Crestor. AZ had much to small of a downsizing and until recently had no real dirction to process and be sucessful. Time will tell on how this will work out. Currently when goals are set like this nobody will achieve payout bonus because it's unrealistic. Some don't know it but we have been regulated to CSA ourselves. Forget about how to do the job and make presentations that are inpactful and move market share. Meet your metrics and this means make your 9 calls a day and spend your monthly allowance. Come September the music along with the ride will all come to a stop.
 






For those that want a month by month extention. I guess it's good as you look for real work. My opnion is that it's not healthly to live month to month with today I have a job and tommorow not. Yes, cash the check when it is sent to you but, I would suggest looking out for yourself nobody else at AZ or Publicis cares.
 






Anonymous said:
To come here and say that contract is going to get extened is pure B.S. You don't have a clue or any say in the matter. I believe because it has taken so long to hear anything that it will be done in Sept. If you have good news and want to keep reps happy and working you would share this news as soon as possible. Look at how this joke has gone since day one. Sure Florida was nice but list is a complete joke. Fair at the least to pay us out at to rate. Next list, of the many to follow was a little better but then when came time to pay out. It was after the quater had ended and then share what the goals were. Reports are as good as the paper you might wipe your ass with. They say one thng and then the next week another. I.T. can't figure out how to solve even the smallest problem. Adding CSA reps to the mix only overloaded the offices with people carrying Crestor. AZ had much to small of a downsizing and until recently had no real dirction to process and be sucessful. Time will tell on how this will work out. Currently when goals are set like this nobody will achieve payout bonus because it's unrealistic. Some don't know it but we have been regulated to CSA ourselves. Forget about how to do the job and make presentations that are inpactful and move market share. Meet your metrics and this means make your 9 calls a day and spend your monthly allowance. Come September the music along with the ride will all come to a stop.
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The target list is from July1-Dec 31. You would think it would only run from July 1-Sept 30 if the contract was going to end in Sept. There may be some substance in this.
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