Future Bleak

Death of a Salesman is a 1949 play written by American playwright Arthur Miller. It was the recipient of the 1949 Pulitzer Prize for Drama and Tony Award for Best Play

All of you may want to become farmers or start your own businesses. The 21st Century play is called Death of people who lose their jobs due to greedy CEOs and a poorly regulated free market economy.
 












The sales representative that has been laid off at other companies and now loves his job at Valeant/B+L does not like the negativity on Pharma Cafe.

kind of hard to believe.


If a company is making millions on the increase in the Valeant stock they sure could pay some bozo a few thousand dollars to counter negative threads with oh boy things really are not so bad here threads.

Face we all know that the employees at Valeant/B+L do not like their jobs and the constant threat of layoffs. Pharma Cafe can detect these phonies so easily. Nice try.
Your hypothesis is as silly as me deciding you must be an Alcon competitor crashing our board to spew fear.
 












After a 20% layoff carried out at different times how much more fear do you need.

EXCUSE ME! Where have you people been? Living in a lab somewhere while the rest of the country has been in en economic downward spiral-unemployment rates skyrocketing-and you were not prepared for what the rest of the country, and the rest of pharma has been going through??? I can not feel the slightest bit sorry for you and your frowny faces and woe is me. GROW UP! There is life after a lay off. Digging up bad stuff about the company who bought your failing one and is keeping the doors open seems a bit off-kilter. B&L was falling into the abyss. Get out there and find a new one and stop the whaaa-whaaa. Geez, people.


You sound like a bunch of welfare recipients, whaa. Whaaa. Whaaa. I am entitled. If I do not get my way I am crying foul!

Pull up your big boy /big girl pants, put a smile on your face and one foot in front of the other. There are sooo many people that have it worse than you and you have the nerve to whine and complain. You had a great ride-now go do something/make something happen.
 






EXCUSE ME! Where have you people been? Living in a lab somewhere while the rest of the country has been in en economic downward spiral-unemployment rates skyrocketing-and you were not prepared for what the rest of the country, and the rest of pharma has been going through??? I can not feel the slightest bit sorry for you and your frowny faces and woe is me. GROW UP! There is life after a lay off. Digging up bad stuff about the company who bought your failing one and is keeping the doors open seems a bit off-kilter. B&L was falling into the abyss. Get out there and find a new one and stop the whaaa-whaaa. Geez, people.


You sound like a bunch of welfare recipients, whaa. Whaaa. Whaaa. I am entitled. If I do not get my way I am crying foul!

Pull up your big boy /big girl pants, put a smile on your face and one foot in front of the other. There are sooo many people that have it worse than you and you have the nerve to whine and complain. You had a great ride-now go do something/make something happen.

It is painfully obvious that you are on the Valeant management team and trying to justify your completely unethical way of doing business. Every company has layoffs that is true. It can make a company more efficient. However what you are doing is destroying the long term viability of a company by playing financial games and unnecessarily laying off thousands and 50% or greater of a company.

B+L use to be a company with a long term viability that could support jobs and communities for a long time. Now it is just a temporary agency where in the end greater than 75% of those employed there will be gone in a few years.

Real adults look out for those who work for them. The real children are you and your "Lord of the Flies" management team.
 






WP could have made B+L a viable company when they took over years ago. At that time they should have laid off 20% of the work force and consolidated facilities. Instead what did they do. They hired like crazy and purchased ISTA.

They then sold the company to Valeant who everyone knows is a destroyer of jobs.

The real end of B+L was the WP management. Valeant is just the hired wrecking crew of a burnt out building that is trying to tear it down and rebuild.

Whether Valeant really has the money to rebuild is now a whole new problem for the company as the debt is incredible.
 






WP could have made B+L a viable company when they took over years ago. At that time they should have laid off 20% of the work force and consolidated facilities. Instead what did they do. They hired like crazy and purchased ISTA.

They then sold the company to Valeant who everyone knows is a destroyer of jobs.

The real end of B+L was the WP management. Valeant is just the hired wrecking crew of a burnt out building that is trying to tear it down and rebuild.

Whether Valeant really has the money to rebuild is now a whole new problem for the company as the debt is incredible.

Wow, you really have no clue. Keep your day job.
 












And maybe it is you that does not live in reality. Most people agree that B & L was shot and no longer viable. There are less than a handfull of you that are still hanging on to that fantasy

Not sure why the "B+L wasn't a viable company" clan exists. Look at the facts. Did you read the S1 filing or the financial press? Do you know what EBITDA is? Do you understand Valeant's huge tax advantage? Or do you just like believing the company was on the brink of dissolution and we needed the genius of Valeant to save it.

B+L was organized to be an independent company, which means it needed all of the corporate functions to continue business - finance, legal, HR, etc. When it was apparent that the company was not going to be independent, of course those groups were no longer required. That doesn't mean the company was bloated or that WP was on some kind of gluttonous hiring frenzy.

Valeant just takes it to an extreme, they go way beyond the cuts normally associated with an acquisition. Some believe this is a viable business model. Others see it as a pyramid scheme that is doomed to end badly when the acquisition train ends. In either case the employees lose.
 






Not sure why the "B+L wasn't a viable company" clan exists. Look at the facts. Did you read the S1 filing or the financial press? Do you know what EBITDA is? Do you understand Valeant's huge tax advantage? Or do you just like believing the company was on the brink of dissolution and we needed the genius of Valeant to save it.

B+L was organized to be an independent company, which means it needed all of the corporate functions to continue business - finance, legal, HR, etc. When it was apparent that the company was not going to be independent, of course those groups were no longer required. That doesn't mean the company was bloated or that WP was on some kind of gluttonous hiring frenzy.

Valeant just takes it to an extreme, they go way beyond the cuts normally associated with an acquisition. Some believe this is a viable business model. Others see it as a pyramid scheme that is doomed to end badly when the acquisition train ends. In either case the employees lose.

This is where you're wrong. There are many of us who watched the ranks of non valued added and indirect overhead hires swell to monumental numbers. So many new layers of management were added, so many new positions were created, B+L was getting more and more top heavy every day. We went from a fairly reasonably staffed and managed company in the late 1990s to numerous directors and vice-presidents several times over by 2012 - many of these were positions that just appeared out of thin air overnight. One way or another, massive lay offs were inevitable.
 






This is where you're wrong. There are many of us who watched the ranks of non valued added and indirect overhead hires swell to monumental numbers. So many new layers of management were added, so many new positions were created, B+L was getting more and more top heavy every day. We went from a fairly reasonably staffed and managed company in the late 1990s to numerous directors and vice-presidents several times over by 2012 - many of these were positions that just appeared out of thin air overnight. One way or another, massive lay offs were inevitable.

Maybe some of that but that is anecdotal. That didn't make B+L a non-viable company. Look at the data, the financial reports, S1 filing. You may be bitter over hirings that you perceived to be unnecessary but start doing the math. Do you know how many people it takes to come up with $900M in savings.

B+L was structured to be an independent company relying primarily on organic growth. Remember the strategy? Instead it was rolled into Valeant who does not believe in organic growth and doesn't need the independent company structure. So who is better of now? You, other employees, customers, our communities, the IRS? None of the above. Only WP, Valeant shareholders, and most of all Valeant's top execs.

You can blame bloated ranks if you'd like but that was a small part of the synergies.
 






Maybe some of that but that is anecdotal. That didn't make B+L a non-viable company. Look at the data, the financial reports, S1 filing. You may be bitter over hirings that you perceived to be unnecessary but start doing the math. Do you know how many people it takes to come up with $900M in savings.

B+L was structured to be an independent company relying primarily on organic growth. Remember the strategy? Instead it was rolled into Valeant who does not believe in organic growth and doesn't need the independent company structure. So who is better of now? You, other employees, customers, our communities, the IRS? None of the above. Only WP, Valeant shareholders, and most of all Valeant's top execs.

You can blame bloated ranks if you'd like but that was a small part of the synergies.

Ok, ok, enough already! You got cut. We're sorry. We have all read your posts and articles about Valeant. So what? What do you want us to do? What is your point?

*We have some options- we can all jump ship today and run for the hills (sounds like what you want us to do) job or no job to go to.
*We can sit around and be afraid and negative about everything (your other preference)
*We can be aware and prepared. Maybe even interview and actively look for other employment.
*We can be aware and prepared for lay offs should they or when they come our way
*We can go forward and not worry about it
*We can ignore it all-the whole industry's current environment
*We can close it all off-close down the "smarts factory"

Sounds like all of us but you are choosing to go with option 3 or 4...we are aware. Some are proactively looking to leave, others are taking a wait & see attitude. Nothing wrong with either, and in fact, in my opinion, the most REASONABLE.

So, I'd really like to know what you are trying to accomplish with all these posts about the down side of Valeant?
None of it is affecting us in our current day to day work environment, unless you are taking #2 and fretting your days away.

I, for one, am going with option #4 until I see signs that I need to move it up to option #3. I am choosing this option fully aware of the situation. I am also choosing to be very positive in my outlook and daily living because the negativity is very unhealthy. When living with such unreasonable fear and stress there are many not-so-good things that can happen to your body, including, but not limited to: decrease in volume of hair (hair loss), wrinkles and other skin issues such as acne, weight loss or weight gain(I'm a stress eater and don't need another extra 20lbs!), constitution issues-yep constipation and/or diahrea, and depression-this world is depressing enough without adding more!

Okay, I'll stop now and wait for you to explain yor point and what we are all supposed to do. I figure you are just releasing your anger by attacking Valeant...keeping yourself in a knot and creating stress and negativity that none of us needs or wants.

Go take a brisk walk, kick in your endorphins and be positive. Work on getting a new job. I see Allergan is hiring! Maybe some new scenery would do you good!
 






As for what you should do. You should stop reading this thread. It is obviously stressing you out way too much.

As for everyone else, most of us are OK with reading opinions that do not match up exactly with our own without demanding that people stop posting their opinions because it is just to stressful to know the truth.
 






As for what you should do. You should stop reading this thread. It is obviously stressing you out way too much.

As for everyone else, most of us are OK with reading opinions that do not match up exactly with our own without demanding that people stop posting their opinions because it is just to stressful to know the truth.

I did not see any demands. I saw someone wanting to know what the poster is trying to accomplish by continuously adding more negative propaganda about Valeant. I agree! There is nothing to gain by it. Looks like rants by someone who feels they need to blame someone or something for their misfortune. I'd bet that the poster was not smart enough to prepare for life, because that is what this is. Life. Kind of sad.
 






Ok, ok, enough already! You got cut. We're sorry. We have all read your posts and articles about Valeant. So what? What do you want us to do? What is your point?

*We have some options- we can all jump ship today and run for the hills (sounds like what you want us to do) job or no job to go to.
*We can sit around and be afraid and negative about everything (your other preference)
*We can be aware and prepared. Maybe even interview and actively look for other employment.
*We can be aware and prepared for lay offs should they or when they come our way
*We can go forward and not worry about it
*We can ignore it all-the whole industry's current environment
*We can close it all off-close down the "smarts factory"

Sounds like all of us but you are choosing to go with option 3 or 4...we are aware. Some are proactively looking to leave, others are taking a wait & see attitude. Nothing wrong with either, and in fact, in my opinion, the most REASONABLE.

So, I'd really like to know what you are trying to accomplish with all these posts about the down side of Valeant?
None of it is affecting us in our current day to day work environment, unless you are taking #2 and fretting your days away.

I, for one, am going with option #4 until I see signs that I need to move it up to option #3. I am choosing this option fully aware of the situation. I am also choosing to be very positive in my outlook and daily living because the negativity is very unhealthy. When living with such unreasonable fear and stress there are many not-so-good things that can happen to your body, including, but not limited to: decrease in volume of hair (hair loss), wrinkles and other skin issues such as acne, weight loss or weight gain(I'm a stress eater and don't need another extra 20lbs!), constitution issues-yep constipation and/or diahrea, and depression-this world is depressing enough without adding more!

Okay, I'll stop now and wait for you to explain yor point and what we are all supposed to do. I figure you are just releasing your anger by attacking Valeant...keeping yourself in a knot and creating stress and negativity that none of us needs or wants.

Go take a brisk walk, kick in your endorphins and be positive. Work on getting a new job. I see Allergan is hiring! Maybe some new scenery would do you good!

Not here to tell you what to do. The poster was making the argument that Valeant was simply clearing out the bloated ranks and that B+L was in some dire financial situation. Both are untrue.

Don't mistake passion for fear mongering.
 






I did not see any demands. I saw someone wanting to know what the poster is trying to accomplish by continuously adding more negative propaganda about Valeant. I agree! There is nothing to gain by it. Looks like rants by someone who feels they need to blame someone or something for their misfortune. I'd bet that the poster was not smart enough to prepare for life, because that is what this is. Life. Kind of sad.

Why are you reading a thread called "future bleak" and expecting positive themes? Kind of sad.
 












As for what you should do. You should stop reading this thread. It is obviously stressing you out way too much.

As for everyone else, most of us are OK with reading opinions that do not match up exactly with our own without demanding that people stop posting their opinions because it is just to stressful to know the truth.

This inquiring mind would like to know too!