Future Bleak

An unhappy person is leaving Bausch + Lomb / Valeant.

They have a deep emotional attachment to their work. This is OK and worthy of respect. In order to process the emotions associated with leaving something they are deeply attached to, they are rationalising reality as the following:

1) Bausch + Lomb is doomed (therefore leaving is the only rational option)
2) EVERYBODY is bailing out (therefore I am not alone)
3) Anybody on this thread with an opposing viewpoint is an idiot whose opinion is unworthy of consideration or a paid agent working on behalf of the corporation to monitor, manipulate and control any public expressed opinions.

In reality, things are more complicated. Some people really are not that emotionally attached to work. Its a paycheck. They don't care what the long term future of any corporation is. They may not have a particularly developed career plan, other than to stay employed. Some people might see new opportunities in the new structure. Some people may have links that keep them geographically tied to the company, and they may as well stay as long as possible. Some people may have decided to ride the storm out. Chances are, the company will exist in some form. If things don't work out, they will find another job when the time comes. If things do work out - in 10 years from now- they will be the old timers talking about the tough times in 2013/4.
 






http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...eant-pharmaceuticals-shares-jumped-today.aspx

http://www.forbes.com/companies/valeant-pharmaceuticals/


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...igher-revenue-profit-in-2014/article16227923/


http://stocktwits.com/message/19115097

http://www.benzinga.com/analyst-rat...an-stanley-upgrades-valeant-pharmaceuticals-o

And the one you hate the most: http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidsh...e-anti-art-levinson-means-for-pharmas-future/

A new way of doing business may be the best way to move forward in today's pharmaceutical environment. There are little incentives for a company to bring new drugs to market. Generic drugs are required by most health insurance companies and by all government regulated drug plans-Medicare, Military plans, peehip, etc. I know you are all about the betterment of mankind, but no company can pay the costs of R& D, drug trials, and other to face these mandates to use products that are less expensive. We also must recognize the cost of new and novel drugs is not only in the cost of that particular molecule -all varieties and strengths of the molecule that were tested prior to choosing one to go to market, but also the drugs that were developed & studied yet never came to market.
I applaud your firm desires for companies to put employees before all else, however, as previously mentioned, employees are not loyal and will move to a competitor for a very small rise in financial benefit. Corporations are not family owned and operated, but answer to shareholders. If you were a wise investor you would understand this concept. Not that we should answer only to the almighty dollar, but when looking for employment you should consider your options. You do not belong in corporate America if you want that type of work environment. Many people have chosen not to work in these surroundings. If you worked for any corporation, ou were guilty.

Valeant, who I am not yet too familiar with as I was a B &L employee who has transitioned this month, has over 7,500 employees worldwide. You have declared yourself to be smarter than many of us, but for now, we are working and being productive and tax paying citizens which is more than you are doing for humanity while sitting at home playing on your computer and finding reasons to be angry with a corporation who laid you off.

You have spent days on this post and others complaining about Valeant's business model, challenging anyone and everyone to come up with positives to match your opinions of negatives. I have seen several posts telling you they are happy so far with the attitude, the healthcare plan, the stock matching program, 401K, and even their company cars. Maybe not the (so called) intelligent answers you were trying to extract, but very reasonable answers. Questions have been posed to you which you have conveniently chosen not to answer, or have ridiculed. I would label this behavior as a big bully-hiding behind an anonymous board.

So you are smarter than most employees here, have more intellect than the major investment houses and firms across this country (who are pretty high on Valeant) and definitely smarter than CEOs of Valeant, B & L, and other companies who have merged with and sold out to Valeant. You think pretty highly of yourself for someone who wasn't astute enough to find another job before the acquisition. In fact, you should open your own pharmaceutical house. Someone as outstanding as you should have been making millions not be a grunt worker in product development. A grunt, because if you had been a scientist or a valued employee, you would have identified your lofty position for us-because people with your claims do that kind of thing. They also call people dunces, and children and make fun of people's livelihoods.

The thing that you have overlooked in your ongoing attacks, is that when you bark too much people no longer want to play your game. The posters on this board have turned on you and are declaring you to be a bit "touched", to put it nicely. This is now or company. Ours and over 7,500 other people. Lots of people with a different opinion than yours. Dunces? I say not.

Valeant is here to stay. You are gone.
 






An unhappy person is leaving Bausch + Lomb / Valeant.

They have a deep emotional attachment to their work. This is OK and worthy of respect. In order to process the emotions associated with leaving something they are deeply attached to, they are rationalising reality as the following:

1) Bausch + Lomb is doomed (therefore leaving is the only rational option)
2) EVERYBODY is bailing out (therefore I am not alone)
3) Anybody on this thread with an opposing viewpoint is an idiot whose opinion is unworthy of consideration or a paid agent working on behalf of the corporation to monitor, manipulate and control any public expressed opinions.

In reality, things are more complicated. Some people really are not that emotionally attached to work. Its a paycheck. They don't care what the long term future of any corporation is. They may not have a particularly developed career plan, other than to stay employed. Some people might see new opportunities in the new structure. Some people may have links that keep them geographically tied to the company, and they may as well stay as long as possible. Some people may have decided to ride the storm out. Chances are, the company will exist in some form. If things don't work out, they will find another job when the time comes. If things do work out - in 10 years from now- they will be the old timers talking about the tough times in 2013/4.

I should also say that if this person can bring the same passion and commitment to their next job, I'm sure they will do very well.
 






An unhappy person is leaving Bausch + Lomb / Valeant.

They have a deep emotional attachment to their work. This is OK and worthy of respect. In order to process the emotions associated with leaving something they are deeply attached to, they are rationalising reality as the following:

1) Bausch + Lomb is doomed (therefore leaving is the only rational option)
2) EVERYBODY is bailing out (therefore I am not alone)
3) Anybody on this thread with an opposing viewpoint is an idiot whose opinion is unworthy of consideration or a paid aigent working on behalf of the corporation to monitor, manipulate and control any public expressed opinions.

In reality, things are more complicated. Some people really are not that emotionally attached to work. Its a paycheck. They don't care what the long term future of any corporation is. They may not have a particularly developed career plan, other than to stay employed. Some people might see new opportunities in the new structure. Some people may have links that keep them geographically tied to the company, and they may as well stay as long as possible. Some people may have decided to ride the storm out. Chances are, the company will exist in some form. If things don't work out, they will find another job when the time comes. If things do work out - in 10 years from now- they will be the old timers talking about the tough times in 2013/4.

I agree and appreciate your last paragraph.

I don't agree that everyone is bailing or that those with opposing views are idiots. The idiots are those with breakfast cereal responses. I would not include you among them because you had a thoughtful opinion.
 






http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...eant-pharmaceuticals-shares-jumped-today.aspx

http://www.forbes.com/companies/valeant-pharmaceuticals/


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...igher-revenue-profit-in-2014/article16227923/


http://stocktwits.com/message/19115097

http://www.benzinga.com/analyst-rat...an-stanley-upgrades-valeant-pharmaceuticals-o

And the one you hate the most: http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidsh...e-anti-art-levinson-means-for-pharmas-future/

A new way of doing business may be the best way to move forward in today's pharmaceutical environment. There are little incentives for a company to bring new drugs to market. Generic drugs are required by most health insurance companies and by all government regulated drug plans-Medicare, Military plans, peehip, etc. I know you are all about the betterment of mankind, but no company can pay the costs of R& D, drug trials, and other to face these mandates to use products that are less expensive. We also must recognize the cost of new and novel drugs is not only in the cost of that particular molecule -all varieties and strengths of the molecule that were tested prior to choosing one to go to market, but also the drugs that were developed & studied yet never came to market.
I applaud your firm desires for companies to put employees before all else, however, as previously mentioned, employees are not loyal and will move to a competitor for a very small rise in financial benefit. Corporations are not family owned and operated, but answer to shareholders. If you were a wise investor you would understand this concept. Not that we should answer only to the almighty dollar, but when looking for employment you should consider your options. You do not belong in corporate America if you want that type of work environment. Many people have chosen not to work in these surroundings. If you worked for any corporation, ou were guilty.

Valeant, who I am not yet too familiar with as I was a B &L employee who has transitioned this month, has over 7,500 employees worldwide. You have declared yourself to be smarter than many of us, but for now, we are working and being productive and tax paying citizens which is more than you are doing for humanity while sitting at home playing on your computer and finding reasons to be angry with a corporation who laid you off.

You have spent days on this post and others complaining about Valeant's business model, challenging anyone and everyone to come up with positives to match your opinions of negatives. I have seen several posts telling you they are happy so far with the attitude, the healthcare plan, the stock matching program, 401K, and even their company cars. Maybe not the (so called) intelligent answers you were trying to extract, but very reasonable answers. Questions have been posed to you which you have conveniently chosen not to answer, or have ridiculed. I would label this behavior as a big bully-hiding behind an anonymous board.

So you are smarter than most employees here, have more intellect than the major investment houses and firms across this country (who are pretty high on Valeant) and definitely smarter than CEOs of Valeant, B & L, and other companies who have merged with and sold out to Valeant. You think pretty highly of yourself for someone who wasn't astute enough to find another job before the acquisition. In fact, you should open your own pharmaceutical house. Someone as outstanding as you should have been making millions not be a grunt worker in product development. A grunt, because if you had been a scientist or a valued employee, you would have identified your lofty position for us-because people with your claims do that kind of thing. They also call people dunces, and children and make fun of people's livelihoods.

The thing that you have overlooked in your ongoing attacks, is that when you bark too much people no longer want to play your game. The posters on this board have turned on you and are declaring you to be a bit "touched", to put it nicely. This is now or company. Ours and over 7,500 other people. Lots of people with a different opinion than yours. Dunces? I say not.

Valeant is here to stay. You are gone.

What questions were avoided?
The only dunces are those who made thoughtless comments, mostly cereal related.
I know this will disappoint you, but I wasn't unemployed for a single day.
Why are you reading "future bleak" and expecting a positive theme?
I didn't start this thread. Suggest you start a new one that suits you.
I don't care how much money top executives and investors make to the exclusion of how they make it.
Valeant took ownership in August. Many felt that impact day 1.
Never said employees should be first, but they should be in the equation.
B+L didn't do research/ discovery either, but they built a huge pipeline of valuable products
 






I agree and appreciate your last paragraph.

I don't agree that everyone is bailing or that those with opposing views are idiots. The idiots are those with breakfast cereal responses. I would not include you among them because you had a thoughtful opinion.

Lighten up . I promise your brain is not so oversized with all your smartness that there is no room for humor. you might feel better about your life if you learn to smile and laugh at yourself.
 






What questions were avoided?
The only dunces are those who made thoughtless comments, mostly cereal related.
I know this will disappoint you, but I wasn't unemployed for a single day.
Why are you reading "future bleak" and expecting a positive theme?
I didn't start this thread. Suggest you start a new one that suits you.
I don't care how much money top executives and investors make to the exclusion of how they make it.
Valeant took ownership in August. Many felt that impact day 1.
Never said employees should be first, but they should be in the equation.
B+L didn't do research/ discovery either, but they built a huge pipeline of valuable products

Why are you so angry?
 






Wow this place has lit up!

Your friend, the positive and fairly new sales rep, here!

I dont understand the undertones of anger on this thread with some of the anti-Valeant posters. Okay, maybe I shouldn't label it undertones because its obvious, from at least one of you. I was very emotionally attached to my last company were I worked for nearly half my life. I was very interested in their future and expected to retire after a few more outstanding years of service. Then I got cut. Taken down at the knees. The love affair was over. Then I had time to reflect at how much the company had changed over the years, the treatment of its employees, in house and field based and the greed. The company I loved had morphed as executives came and left-each bringing little pieces of this newfangled "big pharma" with them. It really wasn't the same. In the process, many employees came and left. Each changing the face of how & why the company was run the way it was into today's company.
I have followed B & L closely. I did not work there until this year, so I have no personal experiences to pull from. I know many of the Ista sales reps and know they refer to us as B & Hell. I guess because they were angry with the buy out and the loss of their beloved company-and how they were used to doing things.
I understand from reading (yes, we sales reps can read) a variety of articles that Valeant has a different business model than B & L had. It may not be what you want or like. Everyone is different. It is certainly your right to dislike it and to post what ever you want to about it. You are a hater and we all see that.
There are also people who have decided to give things a try. That does not mean they are here only for a paycheck and have no regard for anything moral or ethical. It is their right to enjoy the changes.
As have posted previously, I have chosen to be positive about the future of this company and their way of fitting into this new world of Obamacare (wrongly called The Affordable Care Act), Government intrusion, and overwhelming move to a generic drug dominated environment.
Being in sales gives a little different outlook on the market than some other positions (not demeaning any other positions bearing on the marketplace). We see what sells and what does not. What prescriptions are being filled, rejected, and changed at the pharmacy level. We hear the complaints directly from consumers -doctors & patients. Do you know that lotemax gel is selling for between $300 and $400 for a 5gm bottle? How many people want to pay that when there are other alternatives that will work just as well in most cases. For cataract surgery, which is the only indication, a patient must get two bottles-one for each eye, usually done about two weeks apart. On top of that we ask them to purchase a bottle of anti-infective-we cant suggest Besivance because the indication is not there (B & L did not invest in getting this indication), and a bottle of Prolensa which has the same price tag or higher than the Lotemax gel. Yes, you guessed it, there are other good drugs out there that would cost the patient $100 or less for both eyes.
Ok, so now look at the Valeant model. Instead of putting millions into R& D, which is proving more and more to be money down the drain, they have chosen a different route, which resulted in between 5% to 10% layoffs. While shocking to lose so many, this move may have saved jobs for many more. It's a rather new concept in our industry, but. They are doing well with it so far.

I personally fear for my industry as it stands as I have seen a huge decrease in sales forces-estimated at a 50% decrease over the last 5 years.
 






So maybe I should wrap this up-
For those who lost jobs they loved (or hated-a loss is a loss), I am truly sorry. I get it. I was there. For those who have found somewhere else to report each day-or have chosen what they will do to occupy their time, congratulations! For those who were with Ista and have been put through the fear of lay offs then an other buy out back to back, I cannot imagine the emotions you have been through-fear, sadness, anger, joy and more. You know how you felt-I hope you are finding peace or are on your way to a new place you can call home. For the B & L reps who have transitioned, I hope you will find this company a good place to be-or leave for another opportunity that will bring you happiness.
For the person who has been less than cheerful I really hope you are happy in your new endeavor. I am not seeing it, but certainly all your fears, anxieties, and uncertainties will ease as your hopes and dreams are fulfilled in your new job. Although it is your right to act, feel and communicate anything you want, please understand that that many of us are not dunces, of lesser intelligence than you, nor are we less capable of having a career path or knowledge of who or where we work. We are not lesser people for trying to be happy in life. We are not stupid nor deserving of being labeled as such by you or anyone.
I am finding happiness here. It is not just a paycheck. I know my products will help people. I nor anyone can prevent blindness, but I can take my personal little steps each and every day. I will interact with the school for the Blind, I will participate in health fare that do free eye exams. I have only been part of Valeant since August, but just made full transition this month. I work hard. I have a personal life. I chose to be happy instead of negative.

Many people have reached out on this thread, with encouraging words of hope and positivity. Sadly they were made fun of. Some posted feelings of hope for a new beginning after a tumultuous 2013. They were fussed at and somewhat attacked. I don't understand anger directed at people who worked side by side with you. I don't understand attacks on well meaning people hoping to bring you some relief. I had nastiness spewed at me for being a sales rep and for being positive. Go figure? I don't understand. I guess while looking at the positive side of life, I have not always noticed those who would rather take the road of destruction and harm. Regardless, I do hope you will come to a place where you are not so unhappy or disillusioned.

As for reading a thread on Bleak Future when I am interested in a positive outlook-not sure, but I read all of them. I don't post negative comments. It does me no good. It may hurt someone that is going through rough times. For those who feel their future is bleak, i hope life will bring you joy. At this time, it does not appear the future of Valeant is bleak-thank goodness, for many are counting on us. And many of us are counting on Valeant.

Good luck!
 






Valeant admits that they are different than other pharma companies. Valeant is all about sales of generic products with little R&D and Marketing. Valeant is very proud of this business model.

So if you work in marketing or R&D this is not the company for you.

Valeant is also very proud of acquiring companies ant then finding synergies. Synergies means layoffs. So if you work at Valeant and B+L and are looking for long term job security this company may not be for you.

There are generic pharma companies that are successful and pharma companies that do R&D and are successful. So the main question is Valeant a generic pharma company that will be successful to investors in the long term.

Some say yes and some say no. Some say beware or keep Valeant on a watch list for earnings because their debt is high. People debate about these issues all of the time and then some people buy the stock and other people sell the stock.

Does the information on this site give people the information they need to decide to work for Valeant and or purchase the stock. Yes and no. If you have a feeling that morale is high and Valeant is executing on its long term strategy then you might buy the stock. If a company tends to have massive layoffs of R&D and Marketing people and you work in R&D and marketing you may want to work for another company.

More news, earnings releases, more layoffs or no more layoffs, acquisitions, additional debt, company morale etc. will play into the equation = value of the stock price or decision to continue to work at this company. This thread helps me understand the morale of the company and a little about the company philosophy. The other parts of the equation you hope professional investors can help you with but company stock values can boom and bust all of the time without any understanding of the fundamentals behind the stock values.

Keep up the debate. Interesting thread.
 






The stock value is riding the backs of the employees who will be broken and tossed aside when they are no longer needed.

Valued companies will be absorbed and chopped up to be remnants of their past glory.

Communities will lose people as they are forced to migrate to where the work is after their jobs are gone.

The only way to change the future is to make a change to your life and find a new employer that has a longer time horizon for a company than one or two years.

I am sorry for your sadness. I hope 2014 will be a better year for you. There are good jobs available. I am trying now to help several friends (sales reps) who have been displaced by their pharma companies who closed down entire divisions or laid off large numbers of their field reps. Allergan lost 25% of their eye care reps on the 13th. Merck shut down their entire eyecare sales force a few months ago. I fear Thrombogenics will not be far behind in closing their doors as their drug is not performing-
I hope you find what you are looking for. Good luck! Let us know!
 






Valeant admits that they are different than other pharma companies. Valeant is all about sales of generic products with little R&D and Marketing. Valeant is very proud of this business model.

So if you work in marketing or R&D this is not the company for you.

Valeant is also very proud of acquiring companies ant then finding synergies. Synergies means layoffs. So if you work at Valeant and B+L and are looking for long term job security this company may not be for you.

There are generic pharma companies that are successful and pharma companies that do R&D and are successful. So the main question is Valeant a generic pharma company that will be successful to investors in the long term.

Some say yes and some say no. Some say beware or keep Valeant on a watch list for earnings because their debt is high. People debate about these issues all of the time and then some people buy the stock and other people sell the stock.

Does the information on this site give people the information they need to decide to work for Valeant and or purchase the stock. Yes and no. If you have a feeling that morale is high and Valeant is executing on its long term strategy then you might buy the stock. If a company tends to have massive layoffs of R&D and Marketing people and you work in R&D and marketing you may want to work for another company.

More news, earnings releases, more layoffs or no more layoffs, acquisitions, additional debt, company morale etc. will play into the equation = value of the stock price or decision to continue to work at this company. This thread helps me understand the morale of the company and a little about the company philosophy. The other parts of the equation you hope professional investors can help you with but company stock values can boom and bust all of the time without any understanding of the fundamentals behind the stock values.

Keep up the debate. Interesting thread.

You are so right. Its all about what you are looking for, being aware...then no matter where you go to work-be responsible for yourself and your future.
Be lean-pay off your debts, save for emergencies and job realignments. Keep an updated resume. Network. Know your job market-keep current. Interview just to keep your skills fresh. Do something that other employers will respect & want to employ. Be smart!
Its a different world now. Its a different economy. And our industry is ever changing.
 






Employee at B+L = future (Bleak or not so Bleak)

Not going to be laid off = Future not so Bleak

Your job is a possible synergy target = Future Bleak

Have stock options cut at 95 and can exercise soon = Future not so Bleak

Have few stock options cut at 135 and can exercise in three years = Future maybe OK

Do not work at the corporate headquarters = Future Bleak if your facility is closing.

Work in R&D = Future Bleak

Work in manufacturing = Future not so Bleak

CEO with a golden parachute = Future is very good.
 






We will see what Valeant does in 2014. Valeant is looking for a really big acquisition. After the next acquisition if there is a 20-30% company wide layoff it would make Valeant the leader in large scale layoffs of their employees.

If every year of working at Valeant there is a 1/4 chance of getting laid off then you may want to work hard at finding a job where working hard and putting in a good performance gets you raises as apposed to new possible synergy reductions.
 






We will see what Valeant does in 2014. Valeant is looking for a really big acquisition. After the next acquisition if there is a 20-30% company wide layoff it would make Valeant the leader in large scale layoffs of their employees.

If every year of working at Valeant there is a 1/4 chance of getting laid off then you may want to work hard at finding a job where working hard and putting in a good performance gets you raises as apposed to new possible synergy reductions.

Look around. This is the future of pharmaceuticals, not only Valeant.. The industry employees are down 50% over the last five years.
 


















http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...eant-pharmaceuticals-shares-jumped-today.aspx

http://www.forbes.com/companies/valeant-pharmaceuticals/


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...igher-revenue-profit-in-2014/article16227923/


http://stocktwits.com/message/19115097

http://www.benzinga.com/analyst-rat...an-stanley-upgrades-valeant-pharmaceuticals-o

And the one you hate the most: http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidsh...e-anti-art-levinson-means-for-pharmas-future/

A new way of doing business may be the best way to move forward in today's pharmaceutical environment. There are little incentives for a company to bring new drugs to market. Generic drugs are required by most health insurance companies and by all government regulated drug plans-Medicare, Military plans, peehip, etc. I know you are all about the betterment of mankind, but no company can pay the costs of R& D, drug trials, and other to face these mandates to use products that are less expensive. We also must recognize the cost of new and novel drugs is not only in the cost of that particular molecule -all varieties and strengths of the molecule that were tested prior to choosing one to go to market, but also the drugs that were developed & studied yet never came to market.
I applaud your firm desires for companies to put employees before all else, however, as previously mentioned, employees are not loyal and will move to a competitor for a very small rise in financial benefit. Corporations are not family owned and operated, but answer to shareholders. If you were a wise investor you would understand this concept. Not that we should answer only to the almighty dollar, but when looking for employment you should consider your options. You do not belong in corporate America if you want that type of work environment. Many people have chosen not to work in these surroundings. If you worked for any corporation, ou were guilty.

Valeant, who I am not yet too familiar with as I was a B &L employee who has transitioned this month, has over 7,500 employees worldwide. You have declared yourself to be smarter than many of us, but for now, we are working and being productive and tax paying citizens which is more than you are doing for humanity while sitting at home playing on your computer and finding reasons to be angry with a corporation who laid you off.

You have spent days on this post and others complaining about Valeant's business model, challenging anyone and everyone to come up with positives to match your opinions of negatives. I have seen several posts telling you they are happy so far with the attitude, the healthcare plan, the stock matching program, 401K, and even their company cars. Maybe not the (so called) intelligent answers you were trying to extract, but very reasonable answers. Questions have been posed to you which you have conveniently chosen not to answer, or have ridiculed. I would label this behavior as a big bully-hiding behind an anonymous board.

So you are smarter than most employees here, have more intellect than the major investment houses and firms across this country (who are pretty high on Valeant) and definitely smarter than CEOs of Valeant, B & L, and other companies who have merged with and sold out to Valeant. You think pretty highly of yourself for someone who wasn't astute enough to find another job before the acquisition. In fact, you should open your own pharmaceutical house. Someone as outstanding as you should have been making millions not be a grunt worker in product development. A grunt, because if you had been a scientist or a valued employee, you would have identified your lofty position for us-because people with your claims do that kind of thing. They also call people dunces, and children and make fun of people's livelihoods.

The thing that you have overlooked in your ongoing attacks, is that when you bark too much people no longer want to play your game. The posters on this board have turned on you and are declaring you to be a bit "touched", to put it nicely. This is now or company. Ours and over 7,500 other people. Lots of people with a different opinion than yours. Dunces? I say not.

Valeant is here to stay. You are gone.
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Cramer: Sell this ‘beloved Wall Street stock’?
CNBC.com 01/23/14 6:25 PM ET
By: Lee Brodie

All good things must come to an end. Cramer says it's time to ring the register on this stock, if you own it.

And owning Valeant Pharma has been a good thing. Over the past 5 years shares have surged over 1000%.

Nonetheless Cramer thinks it's time to sell. "And stay away from the stock if you don't own it," he added.

The Mad Money host arrived at this conclusion after poring over an article written by CNBC contributor Herb Greenberg for TheStreet.


"When Herb Greenberg throws a red flag, I pay attention. His track record is just too good," Cramer said. And in the case of Valeant, Greenberg is throwing flags here, there and everywhere.

Greenberg's concerns largely stem from the goals and growth strategy set forth by Valeant CEO Michael Peason.
"When Peason took over back in 2008, he said Valeant's high-aspiration goal was to become one of the top 15 pharma companies by the end of 2013," Cramer noted
Peason achieved that goal. However, he did it through a string of rapid fire acquisitions. "They have done sixty deals in the last six years," Cramer noted.
So far that strategy has been very successful.
However, what worries Greenberg is that the company now has a new aspirational target.
"Valeant wants to be among the top five pharma companies by the end of 2016, which would mean more than tripling the company's market cap over the next three years to $150 billion. That is a very ambitious goal, and Herb Greenberg makes it pretty clear that the only way Valeant can even get near there is by doing many more acquisitions, and possibly one big acquisition."
Historically, Greenberg says this is the kind of strategy that almost always ends badly. That is, the deals either dry up or they're not as accretive as they once were or they burden the company with massive debt.
In fact, the acquisition strategy has already generated a lot of debt.
"Herb points out that the company's debt has ballooned from $4.9 billion two years ago up to $17 billion as of last quarter." Even more debt on the balance sheet can't be good.
To make this strategy all the more concerning, Greenberg reminds that interest rates are rising. "Higher rates make it much more expensive for Valeant to borrow the money it needs to do these deals," Cramer said.
And Greenberg notes that M&A in the sector is accelerating broadly. That likely makes future acquisitions more expensive. Again, a problem.
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On top of all that, if the company issues a secondary to pay for the expansion, shareholders will likely be facing significant dilution. That's not good, either.
All told, Greenberg's analysis suggests owning Valeant going forward might be something like a game of hot potato. "When the deals eventually dry up, you do not want to be the one holding this stock."
Cramer agrees with Greenberg. "Even if we end up sitting out a lot of upside in the near-term, I'm telling you, it's just not worth the risk," Cramer said. "I've followed Herb's work for more than 20 years and I never want to be on the wrong side of one of his challenges."
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Cramer says that the future is bleak for Valeant.

This post was well ahead of the Wall street downgrade.

If layoffs occur at Valeant during the good times imagine what the Valeant world will be like if the stock starts to drop.

Fun times ahead.
 






Wow this place has lit up!

Your friend, the positive and fairly new sales rep, here!

I dont understand the undertones of anger on this thread with some of the anti-Valeant posters. Okay, maybe I shouldn't label it undertones because its obvious, from at least one of you. I was very emotionally attached to my last company were I worked for nearly half my life. I was very interested in their future and expected to retire after a few more outstanding years of service. Then I got cut. Taken down at the knees. The love affair was over. Then I had time to reflect at how much the company had changed over the years, the treatment of its employees, in house and field based and the greed. The company I loved had morphed as executives came and left-each bringing little pieces of this newfangled "big pharma" with them. It really wasn't the same. In the process, many employees came and left. Each changing the face of how & why the company was run the way it was into today's company.
I have followed B & L closely. I did not work there until this year, so I have no personal experiences to pull from. I know many of the Ista sales reps and know they refer to us as B & Hell. I guess because they were angry with the buy out and the loss of their beloved company-and how they were used to doing things.
I understand from reading (yes, we sales reps can read) a variety of articles that Valeant has a different business model than B & L had. It may not be what you want or like. Everyone is different. It is certainly your right to dislike it and to post what ever you want to about it. You are a hater and we all see that.
There are also people who have decided to give things a try. That does not mean they are here only for a paycheck and have no regard for anything moral or ethical. It is their right to enjoy the changes.
As have posted previously, I have chosen to be positive about the future of this company and their way of fitting into this new world of Obamacare (wrongly called The Affordable Care Act), Government intrusion, and overwhelming move to a generic drug dominated environment.
Being in sales gives a little different outlook on the market than some other positions (not demeaning any other positions bearing on the marketplace). We see what sells and what does not. What prescriptions are being filled, rejected, and changed at the pharmacy level. We hear the complaints directly from consumers -doctors & patients. Do you know that lotemax gel is selling for between $300 and $400 for a 5gm bottle? How many people want to pay that when there are other alternatives that will work just as well in most cases. For cataract surgery, which is the only indication, a patient must get two bottles-one for each eye, usually done about two weeks apart. On top of that we ask them to purchase a bottle of anti-infective-we cant suggest Besivance because the indication is not there (B & L did not invest in getting this indication), and a bottle of Prolensa which has the same price tag or higher than the Lotemax gel. Yes, you guessed it, there are other good drugs out there that would cost the patient $100 or less for both eyes.
Ok, so now look at the Valeant model. Instead of putting millions into R& D, which is proving more and more to be money down the drain, they have chosen a different route, which resulted in between 5% to 10% layoffs. While shocking to lose so many, this move may have saved jobs for many more. It's a rather new concept in our industry, but. They are doing well with it so far.

I personally fear for my industry as it stands as I have seen a huge decrease in sales forces-estimated at a 50% decrease over the last 5 years.
Where the hell does gel sell for $400 a bottle? $125 is more like it