I am PRO-VACCINE for high risk individuals…. those whom the risk/reward ratio makes sense.
I am also PRO-FREEDOM of CHOICE.
Everyone in this nation should have the right to make their own choice and NOT be intimidated, threatened with their job, and bullied.
Shame on the Dave Ricks!
I am also PRO-FREEDOM of CHOICE.
Everyone in this nation should have the right to make their own choice and NOT be intimidated, threatened with their job, and bullied.
Shame on the Dave Ricks!
Employment is a choice as well, you either choose to have the requirements, skill, and experience of the job or you dont. Cant be in sales without a bachelors degree, no one is throwing an uprising over that. Get the jab or leave. We care not.
No one is entitled to a job at Lilly. You don’t walk into work and say things that are against company policy — isn’t that a move against your freedom? I could list dozens of things you don’t do at work (wear offensive clothes, park in the middle of the road, bring all your relatives into a secure area). — all of which impinge on your personal freedom. But it’s Lilly’s workplace and it’s Lilly’s road and it’s Lilly’s secure area. Not yours and not mine. If you want to be non-vaccinated at home or smoke at home or park in your yard that’s your choice. If you want to stay employed at Lilly, you abide by policy. Employees all signed off on the training for conduct as a condition of our employment. We all do this once per year. It is a choice with valid information provided and time to consider given to you by Lilly. But it’s still not your company and leadership makes the decisions. It’s never been any different. And it’s not any different any where else.
I enjoy watching the back and forth on this. But for those of you threatening to leave over this, you really need to quit CafePharma and get to work on your job search.
It is August 20th. It generally takes 3 months minimum to find a new job, even longer if you are older and more experienced. You need to find a company that doesn't require the vaccine. You need to be ready with your CV and interviewing skills. You need to have a well-rehearsed answer to an interviewer's question of why you are leaving, especially if you've been there a long time. And you may very well need to explain why you are currently unemployed.
Can you see why Lilly won't blink?
Not many companies are requiring it. For example anyone that sells Taltz could look at Novartis which has openings in Rheumatology/Derm they pay more and don't mandate it.
As far are a reason to leave- always use career growth and development which is pretty blocked here except for people in the club.
To the above responses: just because the company totally can, doesn’t mean it isn’t weird or wrong to do it. the company could ban Pride or American flags on campus, the majority of employees could even agree, but that would still be a bad thing.
this is the same as the lawyer saying you can’t sue us so we’re not worried about it on the town hall.
this is a bad corporate culture being formed in real time.
this is the same as the lawyer saying you can’t sue us so we’re not worried about it on the town hall.
this is a bad corporate culture being formed in real time.
I left Lilly for the same reason, haven't regretted it for a minute. But leave on your terms and your timing, not over something like this. Get the jab if you haven't already, take two sick days because the side effects are bad (but they're really not), and use the time to plan your escape. You can do this!
Too bad that the GOP made Indiana a right to hire state.
They can fire you, and they will!
Can you get fat by having a fat person breathe on you?
Did they say what percentage of employees has already been jabbed? Should be pretty high. Science based company. Hopefully Indy manufacturing has cross trained people.
- Dave Brown Aug 22, 2021 at 08:00: AM
Simply not true. Our total compensation package is very competitive on a national level. You may know one person who left and got a higher salary somewhere else - that happens, but doesn't mean you could. Also, it's not just about pay - you have to look at TOTAL compensation.
This is completely false. Lilly offers one of the lowest annual target commission structures.
Lilly is actually discussing changing their pay grade because they are being raided by other companies that offer higher base & higher annual target bonus.
Our medical benefits are ok and definitely not the greatest.
And the pension plan helps but if you are under the newer pension plan then you need to look in to how little it will help you.
Lilly has been hiring young people with no experience so they can pay them bottom dollar and thought they’d keep them, but so many have left and are looking to leave because other companies pay much much better. So Lilly loses all that money constantly training turn over positions. Abs milky is so big on customer continuity & won’t promote people unless they’ve been in their position for 2 years but because of their low ball pay they can’t keep customer continuity because of the turn over
Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. People leave jobs all the time for better compensation and benefits. So by all means... be looking, you'd be crazy no to.
But one thing is generally true... your value and leverage go down the minute you are unemployed, unless you have some hard-to-find skill. It would be really short-sighted to leave before you have something lined up you're happy with, just because you refuse to get the jab.
To the people who say there will be big attrition because of this, same thing... maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. But if you're right, there are going to be quite a few ex-Lilly people suddenly in the market looking for jobs. Think about what that could also do to your value and leverage.
Get the jab and leave on your terms, not Lilly's.
Who said I’d leave before I got another job?
And the pharma job market has been red hot all spring and summer. Lots of companies are hiring and definitely paying more than Lilly. Hence the enormous amount of turn over at Lilly. People are going through training, getting a year of experience & then other companies come swoop Lilly employees up for more pay and it’s not just a little more pay either.
I’m worried that you work here. You are still at a much lower risk of becoming infected. The vaccine also lowers the viral load and shortens the course, including time for which you are infected. Also, it is the mutation that spread because dipshits wouldn’t get vaccinated and follow guidelines that is resulting in lower efficacy of the vaccine in terms of mild/moderate cases. The viral load with the mutation is insanely hire. Check YOUR facts.
Also, if you don’t want to get vaccinated, then BYE! Good luck finding a job while you’re unemployed! This is a dusky a great way to weed out the idiots. Silver lining of the pandemic.