COVID Vaccine Mandate

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We can reference fact sheets, numbers, percentages science facts on both sides. The FACT is on November 16 if you didn’t get the jab, you are terminated. The powers that be have made the decision and they are going to follow through. I would love to see a miraculous turn on their part, but I have never seen that happen from our current leadership.
 






anonymous said:
We can reference fact sheets, numbers, percentages science facts on both sides. The FACT is on November 16 if you didn’t get the jab, you are terminated. The powers that be have made the decision and they are going to follow through. I would love to see a miraculous turn on their part, but I have never seen that happen from our current leadership.
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Not true - they are asking for a card, any card, proving “you” have been vaccinated- that’s it. Extremely easy to get
 






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Wow there’s no deaths in Marion county? Another idiot. You don’t need to die from COVID to be severely affected. Do you know that many people with COVID suffer from long term symptoms. Sure, you might not die, but you may have neurological problems and problems breathing for a lifetime. So many ignorant, clueless people out there. If you don’t like the mandate, them go work somewhere else. Until you are personally affected, you will not understand.
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entire family had COVID, we’re fine.

how many people had all of these super scary long term side effects? How many of them had healthy BMIs and pulmonary condition before? How many of them are just triggered by the fact they had this super scary virus.

probably should work from home if you’re so scared. 0 COVID is never going to happen. DoorDash all of your food, never drive your car, and don’t go on the internet or else you might see perspectives that don’t align with the narrative.

Goal post keeps moving. 2 weeks to flatten the curve, wait until treatments develop, wait until vaccines, wait until everyone who’s vulnerable gets vaccinated, wait until everyone gets vaccinated, wait until kids can get vaccinated, wait until we force everyone to be vaccinated, oh COVID still exists? Sorry but you cant leave your house now… the 98 year old down the street might die.

You’re not living.
 












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there are virtually no deaths (1/day rolling average) occurring in Marion county (a county of almost 1 million people) despite record high cases (almost 1000 just reported in a day) these aren’t young healthy people that are dying.

this is such a giant overreaction. people are scared in to compliance so easily. This is dangerous.
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More like a giant Rorschach test. The question is where you see the overreaction, and where you see the danger. Whichever way you see it is irrelevant if you want to keep working for Lilly, though.
 






anonymous said:
Not true - they are asking for a card, any card, proving “you” have been vaccinated- that’s it. Extremely easy to get
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Dude, the firm has their ways of finding things out when CafePharma goes beyond the normally unproductive but harmless banter. Might want to read up on the 7 deadly sins. Careful...
 












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Catch me if you can! I’m not worried at all, and I know others who have provided the same “proof”
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You have NOTHING to worry about. Their are thousands of County Health Departments. Are they going to call them all? What if you are one of the millions who got vaccinated in another county, or state? What happens if they call an understaffed Health Department and never get an answer. What happens if a drastically underpaid Health Department worker provides inaccurate information. Is our company willing to lose a 6 or 7 figure lawsuit relying on all the layers and money they would have to spend just to get possible incorrect information? I’m in HR, no way this happens. Send in a card, ANY CARD, and you will be free to cough on anyone you want at our next meeting.
 






anonymous said:
You have NOTHING to worry about. Their are thousands of County Health Departments. Are they going to call them all? What if you are one of the millions who got vaccinated in another county, or state? What happens if they call an understaffed Health Department and never get an answer. What happens if a drastically underpaid Health Department worker provides inaccurate information. Is our company willing to lose a 6 or 7 figure lawsuit relying on all the layers and money they would have to spend just to get possible incorrect information? I’m in HR, no way this happens. Send in a card, ANY CARD, and you will be free to cough on anyone you want at our next meeting.
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No way this happens unless you brag about it and someone reports it to the Compliance Hotline. And when have you ever known an anti-vaxer to pass up a chance to own the libs? They can't help themselves. It's actually pretty easy to verify in Indiana, and I suspect many other states. All you have to do is tell an employee you're doing a random "audit", and ask them to download a screen shot of the digital certificate they got from the state in addition to the paper card.
 






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No way this happens unless you brag about it and someone reports it to the Compliance Hotline. And when have you ever known an anti-vaxer to pass up a chance to own the libs? They can't help themselves. It's actually pretty easy to verify in Indiana, and I suspect many other states. All you have to do is tell an employee you're doing a random "audit", and ask them to download a screen shot of the digital certificate they got from the state in addition to the paper card.
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Most states, especially early on, only gave out a card. If you didn’t sign a HIPPA document specifying your employer as an acceptable receiver of medical information ( Which no one did), than nobody can retrieve that information. It’s a done deal, no way anyone ever gets caught.
 






I mean, give it a go i guess. What do have to lose.? If you don’t do it you are getting fired anyway and if they find out you are fired as well. Might as well treat them with the same respect they treat you.
 












What they are doing is unconscionable. When the vaccine is being mandated without clinical trials even being competed and without FDA approval, for ALL employees including those who work remotely and are therefore a ZERO threat to anyone, as well as those who have long lasting and natural immunity from having had Covid, it is NOT about workplace “safety.” This is about advancing an agenda to increase the number of shots in arms, period. Whether Lilly is being paid or pressured by our current administration or someone else, the employees are the sacrificial lambs.

If it were really safe for ALL, why would so many people, including healthcare workers and pharma employees alike, be refusing it? If it were really safe and no one was suffering SAEs, people would be lined up for miles to receive it! That they are not doing so is the elephant in the room that no one wants to address. My family is pro-science and pro-vax but I have family members who experienced serious life-changing SAEs from the vaccine (both the mRNA and the chimp adenovirus) including hospitalization, and thousands of other people have, too. You don’t hear a lot it in the MSM because their stories are being censored. Like it or not, those are the facts. If the company goes through with this, and employees suffer AEs or die afterward, I hope they are prepared for the lawsuits to come. They are opening themselves up to significant legal risk and it is totally unnecessary.
 






A senior manager at a fortune 500 company (it’s possible it was our company) had this to say and he is absolutely right:


“Leadership at the company is highly, highly stressed about the number of people refusing mandatory vaccinations. They are currently betting that employees will blink before management, but if the unvaccinated employees stand firm in their convictions, this company will be f*cked. If the company follows through on its threats and fires all unvaccinated employees, the company will be decimated and will not be able to function. Don’t give up. Don’t give in. There are more of us than there are of them.”
 












You do realize the person earlier who said they can look at databases is correct. All vaccination sites have to report to databases. Lilly is a vaccination site so they have even easier access to databases.
 






I know a lot of people think if enough refuse they will change course. I know I’ve seen folks say “people in the know have said” blah blah blah. Lilly leadership is NOT changing course. Dave Ricks is NOT changing course. Behind this vaccine mandate is also they can get rid of some folks that aren’t what they want working at lilly anyway. The company has changed drastically over just the last 5 years, in a direction a lot of folks don’t like anyway. Maybe this is the last straw for a lot. Also, they already have a contingency plan in place for a loss of headcount. It makes me sick, but that’s the reality.
 












It sure does sound illegal, a lot of what’s happening sounds illegal. But no one is doing anything about it, except post stuff on the internet or on lilly net. Because they are cowards and big corps know it.
 






anonymous said:
I know a lot of people think if enough refuse they will change course. I know I’ve seen folks say “people in the know have said” blah blah blah. Lilly leadership is NOT changing course. Dave Ricks is NOT changing course. Behind this vaccine mandate is also they can get rid of some folks that aren’t what they want working at lilly anyway. The company has changed drastically over just the last 5 years, in a direction a lot of folks don’t like anyway. Maybe this is the last straw for a lot. Also, they already have a contingency plan in place for a loss of headcount. It makes me sick, but that’s the reality.
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It's a cheap way to trim the workforce, for sure. If they were even more serious, they would look for ways to identify the vaccine-hostile for audits after 11/16. Most people leave digital crumbs going well beyond what they post here anonymously. You consent to an awful lot when joining a platform, your data is sold and bought, and the same algorithms that feed you what you want to hear on Facebook can be used to identify you as likely vaccine-hostile. It's not perfect, but it's a pretty good screening tool.
 






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