Compliance Inteview (Urology)

[anonymous]

So am I supposed to be enthused that in your example: Urology could go from $25 million, to a robust $37.5 million in Botox? Still all smoke and mirrors. I don't care about anyone else, or give two shits what was, or, was not done. None of it effected my paycheck in the negative. Just give me my 4th and 5 qrt payout. I knew we were on borrowed time. They (upper management) knew everything was flawed, used ppl to arbo Q4, then said fuck off. I understand why ppl are resorting to the juvenile stuff. They're pissed. Just because the delivery is immature, it doesn't mean the content is false. The ultimate slap in the face were the numerous phone calls asking for info, only over the phone. We all know why they didn't want text or email records of the content discussed. It's just all so dirty.

For the person referencing their 1st grader; I'm sure if their teacher told them to do something for a better grade and preferential treatment, they'd do it. We're all human and want to follow the path of least resistance. If it's so great here, why the tremendous turnover? Why were the exit interviews of 20+ ppl ignored over the past two- three years? Why is upper management asking for favors from the little ppl in the field when they knew numbers were short?

Forget the job, we'll all end up in a better spot. If our numbers were good enough to pay everyone else, we should be paid too. Also, no one was let go for fraudulent numbers, they let ppl go for inconsistencies in emails. No way they'd do the leg work to prove the numbers were wrong. In fact, I would have welcomed the opportunity to prove such. But that wasn't important, they just wanted to thin the herd and save some pennies.

For the ppl calling out Chris and Lori, do you think they really care? They'll be given a great package no matter what. During the transition they'll be phased out quietly, remember the company doesn't want to aknowedge their shortcomings. Most of my peers here were great ppl, I would never make the internal affairs unit job easier, but they're still coming. If they want to find something, they always will.

I will exhaust all my options to make sure I have a shot of getting my commissions.

I don't think anyone (here or gone) will argue that it was right to not pay the final payouts. I think it makes everyone question the company and how they treat people. I do think it is pretty nasty to say mean dirty things and bully. I know that at the meeting all the people were upset and sad. Everyone lost a friend or teammate.

Everyone has a choice of whether to stay or leave. For those wanting to leave or hating the job it would be better to just find something else and leave so those that want to stay can move on. Do you agree?

 

[anonymous]

I don't think anyone (here or gone) will argue that it was right to not pay the final payouts. I think it makes everyone question the company and how they treat people. I do think it is pretty nasty to say mean dirty things and bully. I know that at the meeting all the people were upset and sad. Everyone lost a friend or teammate.

Everyone has a choice of whether to stay or leave. For those wanting to leave or hating the job it would be better to just find something else and leave so those that want to stay can move on. Do you agree?

Level of agreement 100%. Sad thing is/was, the day to day, with the customers was pretty good. It was all the conscious or subconscious stressors from the corporate level that is/was the downfall. If people want to go, they probably dislike the company, not the job. Also, they are being ignorant if they think our top customers aren't going to get our side of the story.

I'm not here to judge other people, so no, I don't condone the the bullying. That would fly in the face of the virtues of the city of brotherly love. Like I said, I don't care what anyone else has done on the rep level. I met a lot of great ppl here.

 

[anonymous]

Level of agreement 100%. Sad thing is/was, the day to day, with the customers was pretty good. It was all the conscious or subconscious stressors from the corporate level that is/was the downfall. If people want to go, they probably dislike the company, not the job. Also, they are being ignorant if they think our top customers aren't going to get our side of the story.

I'm not here to judge other people, so no, I don't condone the the bullying. That would fly in the face of the virtues of the city of brotherly love. Like I said, I don't care what anyone else has done on the rep level. I met a lot of great ppl here.

I appreciate your comments. Hopefully others will take notice and shift this thread toward potentially trying to help one another. I met a lot of great people here as well. It would be nice to remember everyone in a positive light.

 

[anonymous]

Ya'll have officially hit rock bottom. I have been tuning into this site for the pure entertainment factor, but it's officially crossed over to sad and pathetic. Every single person who has posted statements calling out individuals for what you sadly believe to be fact, should be ashamed. Here are the facts:

1. This division has been a work in progress and our system has evolved along the way. It's not perfect, won't ever be, but it's a lot better today then it was, and they will continue to make improvements. Many of us have been overpaid AND underpaid based on the allocation system, which is the reason for the constant updates and improvements. News flash: That system is gone now, so you can stop bitching about Cleveland Clinic and all the other allocation-based complaints.

2. Investors don't give a rats a** how we are compensated. They care how much more Botox we sell today than we did yesterday. Therapeutic Botox grew at 19% last year and our division at 49%...FYI, NOT based on our quotas you idiots. We are an incredibly valuable asset to the organization and after this sh** show is over we will be that much more valuable without y'all who are name calling and throwing stones.

3. Some of you fraudulently changed documents, stole from the organization by inflating your sales and therefor inflated your paycheck. Hey "V" - I don't care who "told" you to do it, that's called cheating and my first-grader knows better. Assuming you were "forced" to do it, you weren't so sanctimonious and vocal back then, were you? Had you started flapping your lips then instead of now, things would be different. But hey, then you wouldn't have been able to collect those big checks. So to those of you who that applies, don't let the door hit ya...

4. There were definitely good reps who made mistakes that were caught up in this and lost their jobs. That is the shi**iest part of this whole dang situation. People deserve second chances and it's a true shame that we lost good people because of an innocent lapse in judgement/mistake. THEY will all land on their feet, I have no doubt.

5. If you are still here and spewing garbage on this site, I beg of you, get the heck out!! Go get a job elsewhere and I truly hope you find some happiness, class and perspective along the way. After we get through this, your toxic BS is the last thing we need or want here.

6. If you think everyone was doing it, I've got news for you - we weren't! There are MANY of us who have been here from the beginning who didn't cheat. We worked out asses off, all the while suspecting that some of you were being shady, but doing our job the right way regardless. Some of us actually did win trips the right way. You can say what you want about LE & DM, and whoever else you want to throw under the bus if it makes you feel better. People at the top will always have targets on their back, so I'm sure neither of them are concerned by your pathetic claims. And those of us who were out working instead of cheating, we have more than 2 injectors thank you very much.

7. There are great people running this organization. As soon as LL & CB took over they started cleaning house of the shady managers and improving the system. My manager has never encouraged me to do anything other than hit my number, and there was an entire area that didn't even have a single person interviewed. If you were in a different situation, than I truly feel sorry for you. But why didn't you call HR?? Why did it take a home-wrecking lunatic? Just take a little personal accountability for goodness sake!

We can all agree this has been awful. I feel sorry for all involved - especially those who have lost their jobs without truly cheating, those that are having their name drug through the mud on this site, and those 4-5 individuals who are so miserable in their own life that they hide behind this site to make crazy, uneducated generalizations or are just spewing flat out lies. I hope you find some peace and a little bit of self-awareness at some point. Either way, best of luck to you and here's to hoping you get a life.

Thank you CB for your commentary. The funniest part was#7 - LL & CB started cleaning house- LMAO. CB, you started all of the cheating by allowing KP to put in fake allocation and arbritrating hospitals that were not using Botox for the bladder. Why didn't you cleaned house then? You are so full of shit! Should have stopped it then, and it would not have escalating to this ticking time bomb. You are responsible and now you are sucking up to everyone hoping your name is not mentioned. Too late.

 

[anonymous]

I hope cb can sleep at night ? Well he will eventually be tapped on the shoulder and asked to leave a meeting and have to answer to someone ... Shouldn't they have to answer as to WHY the urology unit is worth half of what it was ? Why reps have true business in certain areas and now we can NOT go there and assist on cases ? Why skilled reps are gone due to intimidation and bullying ? Why we have to sell possibly 3 pharma pills ? i didn t sign up for any of that .... Kim u are another high end cheater . But DM takes the cake . Runs the Arbo committee makes rules to help his own and doesn't have to answer to anyone ? Totally a crime . hope all three managers fry your ass in a managers meeting ? id actually rarher u let pfizer take care of you all. i will enjoy that . yes we hate you get a clue .I lost at least 5 friends here . All good fun people . U dont have to keep telling people to leave CB we will . The way u treated good reps on the way out was telling . Oh and I heard u called all the east coast people but had NO balls to call AC ? U let LL take that joy . Please have the balls to fire DM. Watch our exit interviews im gonna make Zainna look like nothing when i leave next month , And i will make the calls before i resign so i am taken seriously . Oh and I'm calling nj not cali . Thanks

 

[anonymous]

Ya'll need to see points 1-7 are bull shit . The people making money all have fake allocations and are still here . In still here and taking all my bogus shit up to 100 percent as sandy has asked me to and if u don't . U will get fired for bad numbers if u do u will eventually get fired for all i allocations . At least take the $$ now or enjoy sampeling frim 9-5. Party is over face it

Huh? Sandy??? What???

 

[anonymous]

I need to understand what is wrong with 120 units ? Medicare allows u to waste 80 it is totally legal assholes . And maybe Tina should get off her fat ass and teach people what is wrong with 120 units instead of pretending to be scared of AC . Sorry Tina u are the worst compliance person at allergan . That is why actavis is leading the investigation . All the cheating is under your nose and u will not have a job in two months . Hope u can get out on disability better be quick .

Oh my goodness. A urology rep doesn't know what is wrong with selling 120 units? No wonder this division is going to hell in a handbag. Yes, I am a urology rep still with a job & clearly I can see now why this all happened. How can people not get off-label promotion is illegal? No wonder these people made all this money while those of us following the rules were left in the dust. I guess if you really don't understand that is wrong then I can't completely blame you but I'm sorry, you made alot of money unfairly. And I seriously cannot believe you don't understand compliance rules & the importance of following them. It can cost the organization billions of dollars & obviously, you, your job.

 

[anonymous]

Oh my goodness. A urology rep doesn't know what is wrong with selling 120 units? No wonder this division is going to hell in a handbag. Yes, I am a urology rep still with a job & clearly I can see now why this all happened. How can people not get off-label promotion is illegal? No wonder these people made all this money while those of us following the rules were left in the dust. I guess if you really don't understand that is wrong then I can't completely blame you but I'm sorry, you made alot of money unfairly. And I seriously cannot believe you don't understand compliance rules & the importance of following them. It can cost the organization billions of dollars & obviously, you, your job.

 

[anonymous]

No one is selling 120 that rumor was three weeks ago. How can anyone sell 120 when the vials come in 100 or 200 . If a dr wants to use more than 100 that is in them . People were not let go for 120 units. I heard they were all asked about 120 because a dr at a program was discussing it so keep you rumors straight . That has nothing to do with all the managers telling reps to take fake allocations and Arbo their asses off it they will loose their jobs . That is the issue not 120 of anything

 

[anonymous]

I hope cb can sleep at night ? Well he will eventually be tapped on the shoulder and asked to leave a meeting and have to answer to someone ... Shouldn't they have to answer as to WHY the urology unit is worth half of what it was ? Why reps have true business in certain areas and now we can NOT go there and assist on cases ? Why skilled reps are gone due to intimidation and bullying ? Why we have to sell possibly 3 pharma pills ? i didn t sign up for any of that .... Kim u are another high end cheater . But DM takes the cake . Runs the Arbo committee makes rules to help his own and doesn't have to answer to anyone ? Totally a crime . hope all three managers fry your ass in a managers meeting ? id actually rarher u let pfizer take care of you all. i will enjoy that . yes we hate you get a clue .I lost at least 5 friends here . All good fun people . U dont have to keep telling people to leave CB we will . The way u treated good reps on the way out was telling . Oh and I heard u called all the east coast people but had NO balls to call AC ? U let LL take that joy . Please have the balls to fire DM. Watch our exit interviews im gonna make Zainna look like nothing when i leave next month , And i will make the calls before i resign so i am taken seriously . Oh and I'm calling nj not cali . Thanks

I am sure everyone is waiting for your groundbreaking exit interview. Sounds like you are a real winner and know so much. We are so sorry that you are too good to sell pharma pills and the rest of us are not. Hate to tell you but we are all adults and make our own decisions. My manager has never asked me to do anything that is cheating. I dont know your situation but you cant sit there an make blanket statements. We all lost friends and there are still good people here. Take your venom and leave please. Cant wait for you to light the world on fire since you are obviously so amazing. Good riddance.

 

[anonymous]

Your a fool . Enjoy interviewing against the current pfizer rep for your lamo job . Since Botox is worth 25 million in uro and they already have reps selling Viagra and Toviaz u tell me this all will shake out for you ? Maybe u are drunk on company kool aid or new to the industry and foolish ? Either way i feel bad for u . Enjoy counting the rapaflo samples for two more months . Then it is all over . Oh unless LL can get us another good product? Been hearing that for years. More lies to keep us here and she can land her next gig . If she is smart she already one foot out the door . Maybe going to cosmetics or Neuro ? Where all the real $$ and qualified reps are ?

 

[anonymous]

Saddest part about all these negative posts is they are 200 percent TRUE . I have been here from NDO . All the high end cheaters promoted :
Kim, Vince , Chris , Dave M, Jeff Frizzle . All had very fake allocations and all had tons of fake pharmacy business they they so generously allocated 100 percent to themselves .... Who has that much $$ in pharmacies ? That was the first scam a couple of years back .... And it just continues from there . The only innocent people here just got out of training ....

Hey Actavis Compliance - when are you sending these cheaters out the door? We know you have been told about all of them. You have plenty of proof.

 

[anonymous]

All they need is an AMU system and a calculator . Basically anyone with a goal over 400 k has taken from neuro which means they have 100 percent allocations that do not belong to them .... Eric Berry can do it all himself . Actavis knows about the allocations they asked reps to elaborate on the system . I also know they wanted names over over allocated reps... They will get calls

 

[anonymous]

Thank you CB for your commentary. The funniest part was#7 - LL & CB started cleaning house- LMAO. CB, you started all of the cheating by allowing KP to put in fake allocation and arbritrating hospitals that were not using Botox for the bladder. Why didn't you cleaned house then? You are so full of shit! Should have stopped it then, and it would not have escalating to this ticking time bomb. You are responsible you are sucking up to everyone hoping your name is not mentioned. Too late.

can we get something straight here..... IF YOU KNEW THIS WAS HAPPENENING AS A REP WHY DIDNT U REPORT IT???
because you were gaining from it as well y doing the same CHEATING. any rep that is here to bitch and accuse must look at themselves. you did nothing because you were just as guilty as those you call out on here. If you truly cared about the company, your job, or ethics you would have reported it... AS with terrorism SEE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING now please shut the f*ck up

 

[anonymous]

No one is selling 120 that rumor was three weeks ago. How can anyone sell 120 when the vials come in 100 or 200 . If a dr wants to use more than 100 that is in them . People were not let go for 120 units. I heard they were all asked about 120 because a dr at a program was discussing it so keep you rumors straight . That has nothing to do with all the managers telling reps to take fake allocations and Arbo their asses off it they will loose their jobs . That is the issue not 120 of anything

this was not a dr decision reps MB, AC, TM, LE etc told them better efficacy with 120 and bill 80!

 

[anonymous]

No one is selling 120 that rumor was three weeks ago. How can anyone sell 120 when the vials come in 100 or 200 . If a dr wants to use more than 100 that is in them . People were not let go for 120 units. I heard they were all asked about 120 because a dr at a program was discussing it so keep you rumors straight . That has nothing to do with all the managers telling reps to take fake allocations and Arbo their asses off it they will loose their jobs . That is the issue not 120 of anything[/QUOTE

Hate to state the obvious but you're clueless. Reps were selling 200 units (duh, because it's 2x the credit) & telling urologists to only use 120 or 150 so patient doesn't go into retention & they bill medical waste. Totally off label, total fraud, totally unacceptable & many made lots of bonus, trips, etc. on that selling "technique". Somebody even admitted that didn't think it was wrong on here! So yes, it wasn't just fake arbos, inflated allocations, etc but those kind of shenanigans as well.

 

[anonymous]

can we get something straight here..... IF YOU KNEW THIS WAS HAPPENENING AS A REP WHY DIDNT U REPORT IT???
because you were gaining from it as well y doing the same CHEATING. any rep that is here to bitch and accuse must look at themselves. you did nothing because you were just as guilty as those you call out on here. If you truly cared about the company, your job, or ethics you would have reported it... AS with terrorism SEE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING now please shut the f*ck up

You're being really simplistic. We're not talking about government secrets or national security. People just want to make money, take care of their family and not make waves. Workforce retaliation is real, also really hard to prove against offending parties. It's not the movies, everything doesn't turn out alright, where the hardest or loyalist employee is taken care of. Why would anyone try to make life more difficult, when the ends don't justify the means? When in Rome...

People don't care about being let go for the thousandth time, that's water under the bridge. That may be hard for some people who think Allergan will be the pinnacle of their careers, for a bunch this will be a blip on the radar. Similar to the 30 plus reps and managers that have left in the past two years. We just want our commission dollars.

 

[anonymous]

can we get something straight here..... IF YOU KNEW THIS WAS HAPPENENING AS A REP WHY DIDNT U REPORT IT???
because you were gaining from it as well y doing the same CHEATING. any rep that is here to bitch and accuse must look at themselves. you did nothing because you were just as guilty as those you call out on here. If you truly cared about the company, your job, or ethics you would have reported it... AS with terrorism SEE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING now please shut the f*ck up

This person sounds like the defense team for Bill Cosby...

But I guess those 50 plus people should just STFU and reported it at the time, right? I wish I could live in just your black and white world.

 

[anonymous]

LOL what kind of unethical moron are you. you want your commission dollars that arent your at all. you didnt earn them you sat on you fat ass eating doritos and lied on arbo

Shows how little you really know. Do you even know why people were let go? But you're right, the numbers were good to pay everyone else on, just not the actual people in the territories. I'm sorry your not smart enough to understand whats going on, and what happened.

 

[anonymous]

You're being really simplistic. We're not talking about government secrets or national security. People just want to make money, take care of their family and not make waves. Workforce retaliation is real, also really hard to prove against offending parties. It's not the movies, everything doesn't turn out alright, where the hardest or loyalist employee is taken care of. Why would anyone try to make life more difficult, when the ends don't justify the means? When in Rome...

People don't care about being let go for the thousandth time, that's water under the bridge. That may be hard for some people who think Allergan will be the pinnacle of their careers, for a bunch this will be a blip on the radar. Similar to the 30 plus reps and managers that have left in the past two years. We just want our commission dollars.

This is not just about making commission, it is about defrauding insurance companies, government, patients and ultimately tax payers. Companies have paid huge fines, even gone down for this.