To those 500 displaced...

Those 500 displaced hopefully Will realize very quickly that there are plenty of opportunities out there where you are treated better you make more money and have better benefits. The best days of AZ are in the rear view mirror. So, while it may suck to be told your no longer needed, most that left AZ wind up so much better off, and breath a little easier knowing the toxic culture is out of your life.

Ok, so we keep hearing everyone spout off about how "there are so many great opportunities out there"....
more money, better benefits, job independence, great territory opportunity - blah, blah, blah...
I challenge everyone to list at least 5 companies that have active openings to fill or who have spots to fill due to expansions, product launches or growth!!!! By the way, I'm not looking and have been very content with my current employer. Be careful with job hoping right now. The grass isn't always greener despite what you think or others are saying. This pharma rep gig is shrinking and with virtual changes and limited access growing by the day, feel good if you're in a safe spot.
 




Not to post on a thread not called something else, but who cares? AZ and all pharma have lied. Telling us how much we matter, how important we are, until..... the next "very difficult" decision. Fucph Ruud. Fucph the EBD's. All they care about is their own ass which in all reality is all they should care about.

Which EBD got displaced in December? Anyone?
How about RAD's? God, a mediocre (very mediocre) one got promoted to a NAD position. Another self promoting diversity RAD (maybe a year in the role) gets promoted to a national level acct position within bio. Can't make this shit up.

It is the circle jerk of life.

For me, I'm gonna wake up tomorrow, get baked and live the all day lie. Worked for me this long. And I only have to kiss my DBM's butt.
 




Those 500 displaced hopefully Will realize very quickly that there are plenty of opportunities out there where you are treated better you make more money and have better benefits. The best days of AZ are in the rear view mirror. So, while it may suck to be told your no longer needed, most that left AZ wind up so much better off, and breath a little easier knowing the toxic culture is out of your life.
Every Pharma board says this after a lay-off.
 




Ok, so we keep hearing everyone spout off about how "there are so many great opportunities out there"....
more money, better benefits, job independence, great territory opportunity - blah, blah, blah...
I challenge everyone to list at least 5 companies that have active openings to fill or who have spots to fill due to expansions, product launches or growth!!!! By the way, I'm not looking and have been very content with my current employer. Be careful with job hoping right now. The grass isn't always greener despite what you think or others are saying. This pharma rep gig is shrinking and with virtual changes and limited access growing by the day, feel good if you're in a safe spot.
STOP with the negative posts!
 












Ok, so we keep hearing everyone spout off about how "there are so many great opportunities out there"....
more money, better benefits, job independence, great territory opportunity - blah, blah, blah...
I challenge everyone to list at least 5 companies that have active openings to fill or who have spots to fill due to expansions, product launches or growth!!!! By the way, I'm not looking and have been very content with my current employer. Be careful with job hoping right now. The grass isn't always greener despite what you think or others are saying. This pharma rep gig is shrinking and with virtual changes and limited access growing by the day, feel good if you're in a safe spot.
I agreed with most of what you said but when you ended it with "feel good if you are in a safe spot", I saw that you don't realize that we are so far from safe, it is mind blowing.
 








I’m a little confused.... isn’t AZ hiring a pulmonary sales force?

If you mean RST, they have been in place already, just dressed up now. Think this is like the 3rd or 4th time since launching Symbicort, they put these people as a separate division. Really nothing more than glorified PCP PSS's. As a manager with RST (and liking the extra salary), I had base reps that were so much better than what I took over. Feel like I am starting from scratch with most. Not sure what the previous manager(s) were coaching to. Jeez.
 




If you mean RST, they have been in place already, just dressed up now. Think this is like the 3rd or 4th time since launching Symbicort, they put these people as a separate division. Really nothing more than glorified PCP PSS's. As a manager with RST (and liking the extra salary), I had base reps that were so much better than what I took over. Feel like I am starting from scratch with most. Not sure what the previous manager(s) were coaching to. Jeez.

Since you identified yourself as a RST manager (and liking the extra salary), please explain what the difference is (in your mind) between a PCP PSS and the RST. Your statement that they are really nothing more than a glorified PCP PSS is exactly what many reps not in that role have always thought of them as. They have a different title, make more money but seem to have less accountability as far as being responsible for their own numbers. They "share the numbers generated by the PSSs in their District." Maybe that will change now?

What will you be coaching to so that the RST is clearly seen as different from the PSS to physicians, medical staff and the office in general? From conversation that I've heard in the past, RST managers didn't coach to anything but give the RSTs a shoulder to cry on. You are right, the position has been around awhile. Long enough for it to have evolved into something that everyone recognizes is a different role that is needed and brings obvious value. And while I do like the RSTs who have come and gone in my district, I never understood how they were any different than the PSS role. There just was never any difference in how they showed up whether it was a district meeting or an office call or a lunch.
 




40 year rep back again. I hope people didn’t think I was trying to brag that I made it that long, or that my advice about switching from company to company was flawless, because it’s not. When I started it was Stuart Pharmaceuticals. All we had was the GI line of the Mylanta’s, Mylicon, Sorbitrate and the prenatal vitamins. It was 1 rep per company. You were welcomed in offices and most always talked to the doc in their office. Then we launched Tenormin (atenolol), and we had more money than we knew what to do with! Upper management was great and accessible. I walked around a convention floor with our then current CEO for 45 minutes taking about the how great our future was at Stuart. Meetings were great, and they spared no expense on treating us to a great time!

I believe it was Merck that went on a hiring campaign, and that was the beginning of a slow period of changed or the worse. Our pipeline was amazing! It really wasn’t a “job”, but lots of fun. I truly experienced the “Golden Years” of this industry. Oh we complained about what would be totally stupid stuff today, but we didn’t realize how good we had it and what was coming. Believe it or not, I would call my DM and ask him could be come down for a field ride

Of course, all of that changed many years ago. In looking back, I still think the job is one of the best ones available today. Oh I know you have to put up with spreadsheets, useless conference calls, unproductive field rides, and endless role playing but when you look at your salary and benefits, it’s still not a bad job compared to many others.

Make the best of what you have. Save as much as you possibly can, and spend it WISELY. Good luck to all!

You almost got me to crying. Seriously. So many good memories. But the "commercial arms race" of the 90s driven by MRK, PFE and a few others changed everything as value declined precipitously in the face of managed care, etc. pressures. I still care about the sales teams today. Real respect for the AZ people I've known and worked beside. 34 years in this business from the 80s on and very thankful. But I would advise, if you'll allow me, to keep moving. Have a career plan for goodness sake, even if it's staying somehow in outside medical sales. And save for retirement every year. You will not miss it if you discipline yourself to save. We lived way below our means and still sent two children to professional programs at private universities and beyond. We are fiscal conservatives (sorry for using a dirty word), I saved 25% for over 15 years with Big Pharma (on average, over the 33+ years, ~17% of earnings per annum). In other words, the opposite of our state and federal governments, lol. My traditional pension was kept whole, lucky. 401K was sweet. Like the other guy, not bragging. Just sharing a mindset and strategy over time. That's part planning, part luck. Now, these days, my one son has already changed jobs 5 times in 10 years. But he has a definite plan with a real passion and purpose. The money usually follows but it isn't all about money. What if your miserable or without real purpose, right? If that's you, network, plan, execute that plan to move to something before it's too late.

Keep moving forward or up or both. Cause these companies will not miss you one nanosecond when your gone. It is only the relationships and sharing life experience that will last. You know that.
 




It's amazing how times have changed. If one switched jobs over an over again they were labeled a "job hopper." This really hurt your chances of gaining employment with many managers. Today things have turned 180 degrees and if you stay with a company too long you are considered "complacent." I know of a good number of people here at AZ who left and then came back with significant pay raises and job promotions. In the past if you left you were never allowed to return. Unfortunately if you say here at AZ you live with 2-4% pay raises if you are lucky and you face the December layoff lottery. By switching jobs and gaining more and more experience you are considered more valuable. You gain more salary by going to a new company. You may get a signing bonus and you may get much better stock options. It all makes sense look out for NUMBER ONE you and your family and take your experience to the highest bidder. On CP go to the list of pharma companies out there. Half of them you never heard of. Most will pay a rep with experience and track record. These are smaller companies and many are start ups. Going to another big pharma company you are jumping from the frying pan into the kettle. Same bullshit different faces. This December layoff made it clear to me that there is little rhyme nor reason who gets the axe. You live 2 miles more than your counterpart from the center of the territory you could be the one axed. I've had it. My resume is up to date and I'm looking for greener pastures.

Great post. You don't sound like your an old Confucius, but you certainly are a younger wise version. Well played. Life free. ...oh my God, don't Die Hard.

Seriously, live free young student of corporate life.
 




Since you identified yourself as a RST manager (and liking the extra salary), please explain what the difference is (in your mind) between a PCP PSS and the RST. Your statement that they are really nothing more than a glorified PCP PSS is exactly what many reps not in that role have always thought of them as. They have a different title, make more money but seem to have less accountability as far as being responsible for their own numbers. They "share the numbers generated by the PSSs in their District." Maybe that will change now?

What will you be coaching to so that the RST is clearly seen as different from the PSS to physicians, medical staff and the office in general? From conversation that I've heard in the past, RST managers didn't coach to anything but give the RSTs a shoulder to cry on. You are right, the position has been around awhile. Long enough for it to have evolved into something that everyone recognizes is a different role that is needed and brings obvious value. And while I do like the RSTs who have come and gone in my district, I never understood how they were any different than the PSS role. There just was never any difference in how they showed up whether it was a district meeting or an office call or a lunch.


I'd like to hear what the RST DSM has to say. Have always wondered what the difference is supposed to be. Since he or she is making the big bucks, lets hear it.
 








Leadership that drives market share performance. Get a life, troll.


Actually, no. I am the original RST DSM poster. And to the previous poster, I wouldn't say "big bucks", just a higher target than PCP sales team. Want the big bucks, go to Bio or Onc. Crazy what they get.

Anyway, to answer the question, there is very little difference. Very little. It like most things is about who you know, not what you know. Lots of butt kissing. I have seen DSM's with the realignment that have no business being "specialty" mgr's other than they played the game really well. Knowledge of Breztri is minimal. Literally, the CVA and that is it.

I give this 3rd time a charm independent sales team about 18-24 months before we are once again rolled back into PCP. It give the sociopathic senior leaders an easy way to cut more.
 




Actually, no. I am the original RST DSM poster. And to the previous poster, I wouldn't say "big bucks", just a higher target than PCP sales team. Want the big bucks, go to Bio or Onc. Crazy what they get.

Anyway, to answer the question, there is very little difference. Very little. It like most things is about who you know, not what you know. Lots of butt kissing. I have seen DSM's with the realignment that have no business being "specialty" mgr's other than they played the game really well. Knowledge of Breztri is minimal. Literally, the CVA and that is it.

I give this 3rd time a charm independent sales team about 18-24 months before we are once again rolled back into PCP. It give the sociopathic senior leaders an easy way to cut more.


Hey, thanks! I've always wondered too. Hats off to ya for answering so honestly.