Agreed. School must fit the need and desire of the student.
Throwing in the white flag...tired of living a lie
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Agreed. School must fit the need and desire of the student.
Rep here with more than a masters degree; always bright and always a good student. If I had my live to live start again I would have chosen a very different career. Would have required less formal degree education and school loans that are taking decades to pay. Might have done better financially, been happier and way less stressed with a trade....
So much for higher education.....
So much for higher education.....
Most MBA programs with a traditional curriculm are demanding. People who have a full time job often can only take one course at a semester.
20 or more courses can take many years......
You obviously have not earned an MBA in the last 10 years or o. It is true that 15-20 years ago, virtually all MBA programs were built for residential students. The expectation was that you would work for five years, then quit work, and go to business school fulltime for two years. The schools were also, extremely difficult to get into, requiring the GMAT etc. Those days have been over for at least the last five years.
Most schools now have programs designed for working adults; many are even 100% online where you work on your own time. Many allow you to take class 3 semesters per years. Virtually ALL are designed to be completed by full-time working adults in 18-24 months. I personally know someone who recently completed a program of 51 credit in one year (fall, spring, summer); she took 5-6 classes per semester (this was the norm), and this was not even online I personally took a program that offered an online option, I took one class at a time, but each class was 8 weeks. I got one week break between classes, then started the next; this took me 18 months of extremely hard work, no summer off, no christmas off, no free weekends, with major projects due every saturday, but I did it.
I once used the same lame excuses that you and others are trying to use now, but mine were based on fact. I did not want to study for and take the GMAT, I had a low undergrad gpa, i did not ant to spend 5 years taking class, I did not want to cummute one hour, to get to a 45 minute class. I was lazy and impatient, and not confident about getting.
Things have changed, if you really want to get your mba you can do so without even leaving your home, at a great university, with no gmat. If you are too lazy, or just dont want to do it, then say that. Just please stop using LAME excuses that hold no water:
- The company will pay
- There are many programs to choose from
- You can earn degree 100% online, or in class
- As a rep, with "flexible" hours, you have all the time in the world. You will NEVER have a better job, that is suited to pursuing an mba
Not everyone has the smarts or deire, but if you do, you have no excuses!
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Agree with everything you have stated except:
"The company will pay" - not necessarily as field sales tuition assistance has become severely restricted - more accurate to state the company "may" pay.
"As a rep, with "flexible" hours, you have all the time in the world." - this may have been the case some years ago but I would not make that claim today. There is incredible stress and pressure associated with keeping one's job as a rep now and many of us have CTL's that are demonic when it comes to extra bullshit in order to "prove" oneself. That being said, if you do have the "smarts and desire," then yes, it is still possible to get your MBA, maybe just not as easy as in the past when times were less tight, toxic, and tumultuous.
Wrong, the company WILL pay, if you are in good standing. This is not even a debatable point. You offer more excuses, when there actually are none. There are people who work all day in an office. They get up at 630, leave the home at 730, arrive at work by 830, arrive back home by 6pm, eat dinner, workout, check homework for kids. Then spend 2-3 hours per night doing school work. These people work much harder than you do, and actually see their bosses EVERY DAY. There simply are NO excuses. If this is something that one wants to do, they will do it. I can not be fooled, I know the life of a rep. If a pharma rep can not take classes, then nobody can. The time that you spend waiting on docs can be spent reading school work, your extended lunch breaks can be used doing school work, Instead of staing in bed until 8 or 9am, you can get up at 6 0r 7 and do school work. Instead of leaving territory at 3 or 4 and going to the gym, tennis, golf, home depot, etc, you can do school work from 4-6 etc. Instead of goofing off when you sneak days off on Mondays and/or fridays, you spend those days doing school work.
This is about choice and discipline. It involves 18-24 months of relentless work. You can easily find the time if you choose to. STOP THE EXCUSES! I have already done it, so I know!
This is not a political situation. Tuition reimburse, along with your paycheck, medical benefits, vacation days, etc are part of your compensation. Tuition reimbursement is is no way a handout! Your assertion is ridiculous. So, buy all means, if someone has no tuition reimbursement as part of their compensation, they should invest in themselves. The simple matter though is that most people don't have 40-50k or more sitting around, so paying on your own would be a great hurdle. Some people will augment the tuition reimbursement, with their own money, if the company caps dont allow them to finish fat enough. I value my education because, I worked extremely hard to get it. Would you also suggest that students that are offered scholarships, fellowship, grants, etc turn them down, and find a way to pay 100% on their own, so they will "appreciate what they accomplished"? Again, do you appreciate your health more when you pay that 20k hospital bill out of pocket, rather then use your company provided health benefits? Of course not!
Again, tuition reimbursement it part of your pay package, you are actually taxed on it; you earned it, and the company benefits when they have a more educated workforce, thats why they pay; its not a favor. Unfortunately, very few reps take advantage of the program.
You are so on point. As an undergrad, I also was not an Exceptional student. I was very smart, but very lazy, barely went to class, did just even homework and studying to graduate on time, with a 2.3 GPA. 19 years later, I go to grad school; studied hard, actually cared about my grades; graduated with a 3.9 GPA. Honestly, no one cares about GPA, at this stage of the game, but I actually wanted a 4.0. Employers couldnt care less! Its experience, then do you have the preferred credentials.
Disagree!
Got your BA, making a professional salary and all grown up? Well how about stepping in the shoes of responsbility? How about living down a little and putting some money up for self improvement? Now, do not whine.
Free tuition is a big expense and not being offered at many companies anymore....and rarely here anymore either.
If you really want the degree you will find a way to fund it.....part with your bonus. You may even write a little piece of it off at the end of the year (instead of complaining that its a taxed benefit, geeez). In the end, its the same.
Whats wrong with you, we are talking to people who already have a professional salary. Most Business Schools wont event except people with no experience. Tuition reimbursement means that YOU pay, and if YOU get good grades, Merck repays you. I am speaking to MERCK rep, and stating that they have this benefit available. So, by paying the money upfront, they assume ALL of the RISK. SO, WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU ARGUING ABOUT NOW!! REALLY. Are you suggesting that they pay upfront, and despite the fact that the company offering to reimburse the, that they should turn down this benefit that they earned! By the way, who complained about the reimbursement being taxed. It is YOUR income so it should be!
You are simply not making sense! Dude, take a chill pill, you are seeing martians on the lawn, that simply arent there.
Who gives a rats ass about the little kiddies! It's about sales and my damn bonus and nothing else, got it?? It's the pharma industry you idiot!! GIVE ME PROFITS ABOVE ALL THINGS!
What exactly do you disagree with? The guy says that if we are willing to sacrifice our time, and work hard, achieving an MBA is possible. Your audience here is full-time employees of Merck. You mention that many companies don't offer tuition reimbursement, well Merck DOES, so whats your point? As the OP said, tuition reimbursement is a part of our compensation. If Merck didn't want us to use it, they wouldn't offer it. Merck takes on no risk, as they merely pay us for classes that we pay for upfront and receive a "B" or better in.
Whaaaa!!!! Whaaaa!!! 20+ yr vet here, I am so tired of the whiners on this site. They are typical of the ENTITLEMENT crowd. If the job stinks so much & you hate it ... LEAVE... PLEASE !!!! We don't need you or want you.
This job is easy if you approach it with the right mentality. Do not take it too seriously, go out every day and do your best and try to have fun interacting with your customers.
This job is easy if you approach it with the right mentality. Do not take it too seriously, go out every day and do your best and try to have fun interacting with your customers.
Think about it, they are giving you a package to go away, not to keep you. They will cut you in early 2012 at a reduced rate.
ran into a merck rep in the northeast region who swears she just loooooves her job...
thought you guys were having layoffs? is she the only one who likes what she does? or is she storytelling???LOL
thought you guys were having layoffs? is she the only one who likes what she does? or is she storytelling???LOL
I agree with the poster. You do seem to have an entitlement mentality. Who cares if someone pays, if you want a degree then be willing to do ALL it takes to get it. If you are reimbursed YOU are not paying dude. YOU are paying when you are not handed something back. The point here is where is your willingness to really do what it takes without a handout? Sort of like the idea of being rewarded for good behavior, in this case a passing grade for the payoff. Tuition reimbursement will soon be like a pension, not offered. Do it on your own. Show your true determination and work ethic.
We are not being "shown the love".....anymore.
I was denied for a certificate program and was on good standing, what's the situation with tuition now a days?
Enough of this tuition reimbursement bullshit. Yes it's still around. A major problem is having a prick for a CTL who will ride your ass to prove you're taking time away from working to complete your MBA classes. This is common and I've had a good friend wind up getting PIP'd and let go. So much for tuition reimbursement fellas.