why fault someone for getting an advanced degree. Go for you.
Throwing in the white flag...tired of living a lie
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So true....the double masters looks like a 6 or 8 year time committment and some of them are actually crash course degrees.
No comparison to the real degree longer program in the level of education.....
I'm hearing more and more financial advisors cautioning parents about automatically sending their sons and daughters to a 4 year bachelor's degree program when practical on the job experience, trade schools, community college career based programs, and apprenticeships may offer a much better return on their education investment. Engineering, science, and math majors will always be in demand, but technical training at many community colleges offers more bang for the educational buck than money spent on 4 year liberal arts degrees. Something worth thinking about in today's uncertain economy. Possessing the right training and skills can have a faster and greater payback than your generic liberal arts training, especially when paying private college tuition.
So true in many ways...Obama push for BA for all the biggest BS....getiing people who got pushed through HS now pushed through college and getting some "impressive" degree. Some get in these special programs, are given tlc to be sure they get through. and even better, its almost free for them. These are the new fashion degree dummies that work in all the big companies. But who will rewire the house when new electric is needed. Who will fix the car when it breaks down? This is where the real money is now, and and will be...
You may have an MBA, but you clearly have no understanding of HR and the hiring process. You go play your games, but you are cooked, you just dont know it yet.
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It's the whole package. I can understand how people think our job is worthless as most people feel that way with any kind of sales or rep (whatever you want to call me). I don't mind what you think. I do my best and at the end of the day, this is what I do, not who I am. I have a great relationship with customer because I have been with them for a while. There are a lot of signs stating we only talk to reps on XXXX days. The will let me go in when I please because the bond I have established with them. I enjoy what I do and for people to say it's not a career, I guess it their own opinion and I respect that. As stated before, the hardest thing to get around is the QA issues. Customer feel that should be the easiest part of the process. The hard part is R&D and getting the drugs through the phases. Will we hit a homerun every time, no. Generics don’t bother me because they will still go with brand as long as the patient has the proper insurance. If a patient is layed-off and needs to buy generics, the more power to them. I am at the end of my days here and it was a wonderful ride. I get to fish more and play with the grandkids.
Just a word from a person who has seen it all. QA needs an overhaul because the negative press is a whole lot of damage control. I newer person who is less experienced will not be able to contain the damage. A lot easier to fix the QA standards.
I also don't need to throw in the white flag. It's was always just a job that I succeeded in because I liked doing it.
Thank for the complement. I am just a sales or rep or whatever just expressing my pain point with customers. QA QA QA QA is it. Everything else could be spun. It the damm QA stuff, that is a killer.
It's the whole package. I can understand how people think our job is worthless as most people feel that way with any kind of sales or rep (whatever you want to call me). I don't mind what you think. I do my best and at the end of the day, this is what I do, not who I am. I have a great relationship with customer because I have been with them for a while. There are a lot of signs stating we only talk to reps on XXXX days. The will let me go in when I please because the bond I have established with them. I enjoy what I do and for people to say it's not a career, I guess it their own opinion and I respect that. As stated before, the hardest thing to get around is the QA issues. Customer feel that should be the easiest part of the process. The hard part is R&D and getting the drugs through the phases. Will we hit a homerun every time, no. Generics don’t bother me because they will still go with brand as long as the patient has the proper insurance. If a patient is layed-off and needs to buy generics, the more power to them. I am at the end of my days here and it was a wonderful ride. I get to fish more and play with the grandkids.
Just a word from a person who has seen it all. QA needs an overhaul because the negative press is a whole lot of damage control. I newer person who is less experienced will not be able to contain the damage. A lot easier to fix the QA standards.
I also don't need to throw in the white flag. It's was always just a job that I succeeded in because I liked doing it.
Thank for the complement. I am just a sales or rep or whatever just expressing my pain point with customers. QA QA QA QA is it. Everything else could be spun. It the damm QA stuff, that is a killer.
Agree. MBA is not a ticket to success or getting ahead as some think. Plenty here have one and plenty more have other masters degrees that are just as "valuable." But the majority of the most successful people I know just have a plain 'ol BA. Its intelligence and determination that makes the difference.
No one says that an MBA is a ticket to success; and a masters in a non business related field in pretty useless, in business. I have never seen on an ad "masters of any kind preferred", no they always say MBA preferred. To say that "plenty" of people have an MBA is just a crazy statement, as less than five % of adults over 25 years of age has one. The bottomline is that a very small number of people have MBAs, but they are now accessible to achieve, than they ever have. In addition, an MBA is NOT a ticket to success, neither is a bachelors degree; it is rarely ever a requirement for a position, but is becoming more and more, an preference. If nothing else, an MBA is a "checked box", it makes you a member of an exclusive club, and as a brand careers a tremendou amout of cache.
Pharma sales is considered an entry level position, when applying for management level positions, I guarantee you that there is a filter on "MBA". You may not be excluded, but people want to know if you have one. If you plan on moving passed the bottom rung, you'd best believe, that the "MBA" brand on your resume will SOMETIMES help you, and NEVER hurt you. Dont take the attitude that when you cant dance, that means the "BAND Cant play." excuse. You have tuition reimbursement, you have "flexible", hours, you have "NO EXCUSES", get your MBA. You primarily get paid for you experience, but one day you'll definitely compete for a higher position with someone who has the same experience, but he has an MBA, and you dont. That will NEVER happen to me, that much I can gaurantee.
BTW, years ago we used to say, "some of the biggest executives started in the mail room". Most of the home office folks in marketing, finance, and other departments have MBAs. Most directors in the company have MBA; and MBA is definitely a preference for DM, RD, etc.
Nice going professor; thanks for grading my cafe pharma post? Do you really think that checking spelling matter on cafe pharma? Well, I got the last laugh
Well, that has always been the case, always will. Those in PoDunk will also have the worst time when they lose their jobs. Reps our over paid every where, but more glaring in PoDunk.
To your comments. Maybe. Maybe, not.
To your comments: "You have tuition reimbursement, you have "flexible", hours, you have "NO EXCUSES", get your MBA.".......few get it anymore.....My take anyway...you want the degree, pay for it yourself. Invest yourself. When someone pays themselves, it says alot about them. Motivation, determination, willingness to live without, to pay those bills. Leadership qualities. Wont get without the handout? Hmmm. I question someones management qualities.
So for those who got things the easy way. Look in the mirror. Maybe. Maybe not.
I hate to tell you this but there is NO MBA program that takes 8 years to complete, and most can be complete in18-24 months (some in 12 months, very intense); they are 36-64 credits, most that I researched were 51 credits. More and more schools, offer programs completely online including Cornell, Syracuse, Northeastern, UNC-Chapel Hill, Maryland, Florida, Penn State, Temple, the list goes on and on. Most MBA dont even require the GMAT or GRE anymore. Yes, you can literally obtain your MBA right from your living (lots of work though), in as little as 12 months, mainly in 18-24 months. Mine took 18 months, but very, very intense. The premise to your question is false, so the question can not be answered JOSE. At a maximum of 64 credits, there is NO MBA program that takes 8 years to complete, lets look at it like this, when counting Fall, Spring, summer you have 3 semesters per years, two years would give you 12 semesters. If you took, 1.5 classes per semester, you would graduate in two years (assuming 51 credits); if you averaged only 2 classes a semester, you would graduate in 18 months.
So yes, you can get your MBA in 18-24 months, at ANY school; there is NO school that is more than a two year program. Joint degrees are valuable if you want management in a specific field, for example MS (in engineering)/MBA. JD/MBA, Pharmd/MBA. Most business related joint degrees can likely just be addressed with an MBA speciality, ie MBA in finance. Finally, yes if you get a joint degree, you are admitted to 2 programs, and you get 2 degrees.
Now, the company will pay, you have "flexible" hours, the only thing you need now is the discipline, the desire, and the mental toughness, you need to get your MBA.
Dude, an MBA is 64 crdits max, how is that 8 years.
Thats just an excuse; its losers limp. You are trying to create a rationale for not doing what obviously is the right thing. The bottomline is that you have very little chance of becoming a director, let alone a CEO, without your MBA, for crying out loud, your not even entry level management yet. One day you will compete with a fellow rep, with a similar work background; he will have an MBA, and have the "Box Checked" and you will not; you will lose EVERYTIME. Also, many of the folks in the home office, DO have MBAs, when they make their hiring decisions, they will definately hold your lack of education against you. If you look for a job, outside, some will computers will screen for MBA, and you wont even be looked at. I can make 2 guarantees, lack of an MBA WILL be held against YOU, and HAVING an MBA will NEVER HURT YOU. Stop making excuses!
Nope its only 5%. Looked it up on the web. Keep in mind, relatively few have bachelors degrees, then of those, few have MBA.
This is pure "player hating". There are NO masters programs that take 6-8 years, NONE. For example, here is a link to a joint MBA/MS (engineering) program that can be completed in 5 Full-time semesters. Part time, would be only five years. Some schools allow you to go to school all year round, and there is NO MBA more than 64 credits; most are between 40 and 51 credits. BTW, what the heck is a "Crash course" degree. If it takes you 18-24 months, its no "crash course"
True, they may have the potential for a faster uptake, but pay potential will cap out much quicker. Obviously most people reading these posts, would not be thinking about trade school.
How is obama being blamed here. Obama pushes education, and expanded and funded community colleges. I think the main point here is that education is important, but so is reality. If my kid is a valedictorian, Im not sending him to trade school, My other, maybe yes.
How would you know what process I understand? What do you mean, "Im cooked"? stop speaking in riddles!
Most traditional schools on regular semesters (Sept -Dec) (Jan-June) (optional summer courses available) is 64 credit range. Most adults who work take 1 or 2 courses a semester (3-6 credits) or 2-4 courses a year (6-12 credits), 5 years x 12 credits = 60 credits plus a few a course or two summer or later.
Today's popular "Fast Track" MBA programs now exist....sort of a crash course (abbreviated curriculm known as "skim the surface....")
Education is important.
Trade schools are education.
Few kids are veledictorians.
More than 50% or kids are trade school types.....