Repeal 'em GOP'ers find out how life is after declining their Gov't run healthcare

[Anonymous]

Re: Repeal 'em GOP'ers find out how life is after declining their Gov't run healthcar

Government Healthcare has a record of being MORE expensive than the private market. It has ZERO accountability. It NEVER produces better results. It has higher denial rates and is COMPLETELY Unconstitutional..... I know what you libs are thinking.... where do I sign-up?

Hmmm. Apparently you've gotten down to the last of the vodka bottle or maybe your meds have kicked in.

Government healthcare is less expensive than the private market. Look at Medicare administrative costs. It has full accountability - look at the VA system and how they manage drugs on a tight budget... extremely rational and accountable.

If it has higher denial rates.. wouldnt that end up making it less expensive? And thanks for the Constitutional scholarship, Judge Marshall... but Medicare has been the law of the land for the last forty five years without any real Constitutional challenge at all.

Your delusional perceptions about healthcare(despite being involved in the business - presumably) clearly cause you to lose rationality when thinking about it. You are precisely the type of person who is screaming about how Medicare has been taken over by the government and you dont understand why the government won't pay for your diapers because you paid into the system for so long.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Repeal 'em GOP'ers find out how life is after declining their Gov't run healthcar

Hmmm. Apparently you've gotten down to the last of the vodka bottle or maybe your meds have kicked in.

Government healthcare is less expensive than the private market. Look at Medicare administrative costs. It has full accountability - look at the VA system and how they manage drugs on a tight budget... extremely rational and accountable.

If it has higher denial rates.. wouldnt that end up making it less expensive? And thanks for the Constitutional scholarship, Judge Marshall... but Medicare has been the law of the land for the last forty five years without any real Constitutional challenge at all.

Your delusional perceptions about healthcare(despite being involved in the business - presumably) clearly cause you to lose rationality when thinking about it. You are precisely the type of person who is screaming about how Medicare has been taken over by the government and you dont understand why the government won't pay for your diapers because you paid into the system for so long.

Medicare has higher denial rates than private insurance. That is an ABSOLUTE FACT. It can NOT be disproved.

The fact that is has higher denial rates has NOT lead to more cost-effective management of medicare. Just like ALL government programs, it is headed toward bankruptcy. And just because you pay a nickel for your meds doesn't mean it is LESS expensive you moron. It charges people an unsustainable price ONLY after it has been HIGHLY subsidized with tax-payer money.

The last fact is that this new healthcare reform has been ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL. That can NOT be denied. There is NO legal precedence EVER in the history of the U.S. that would allow the government to FORCE its citizens to buy something.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Repeal 'em GOP'ers find out how life is after declining their Gov't run healthcar

Oh, the issue is clearly cost. And that needs to be addressed. But of course, that wasnt gong to be touched with all the teapartying seniors screaming about how the government was going to take over their Medicare, and the Republicans jumping on concepts like 'death panels' - as if end of life planning was a horrible idea.

Health care is one thing that the government can do better than the private sector. Kind of like roads... would you really want every road in the country a privately owned road?

You say that just because "government can do better" it becomes true? Really? I get the feeling people like you believe that if a PO existed everyone get approved for everyone, only the best drugs would be used, no waiting in waiting rooms, people would start eating better, stop smoking and stop drinking. Come on...I have been to government run hospitals and I am very disappointed in the conditions I find most of them in.

I have swampland in Florida i'd like to sell you if you truly believe that.

Roads are a lot easier to maintain than a healthcare system that the government doesn't understand. Medicine has been enriched due to private innovation. Tell me where the innovation happens in "road technology."

 

[Bubble Burster]

Re: Repeal 'em GOP'ers find out how life is after declining their Gov't run healthcar

So what you're saying is that government can control cost better than the private sector. I agree.

What needs to be put in place is a system where we have government supplied basic healthcare for all, and supplemental coverage you pay for.

Have you ever been a patient in a VA or USPHS facility? They are horror chambers.

 

[Bubble Burster]

Re: Repeal 'em GOP'ers find out how life is after declining their Gov't run healthcar

Thats flat out wrong, unless the federal government mandates are as strict as at LEAST the median strictness in the nation for health care. And then, by definition, you'll piss off all the congresspeople, because half will have their states insurance regulations gutted, and the other half will have their insurance regulations tightened. Its politically impossible.

Glad to see you looked up 'spurious'.

Actually, either word will work, straw man. Too bad you didn't spend as much time studying economics and logic.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Repeal 'em GOP'ers find out how life is after declining their Gov't run healthcar

Have you ever been a patient in a VA or USPHS facility? They are horror chambers.

I've not only been in the facilities, I've worked in them and have worked with people in the VA system for years. Its actually a fantastic system in the aspect of doing a lot with a limited budget. The biggest problem in the VA, by far, is the substandard nursing. From a provider perspective, its great in lots of ways. That could be improved with more funding... but guys like you dont like the concept of putting money into wasteful programs like treating veteran's medical issues.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Repeal 'em GOP'ers find out how life is after declining their Gov't run healthcar

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Thats flat out wrong, unless the federal government mandates are as strict as at LEAST the median strictness in the nation for health care. And then, by definition, you'll piss off all the congresspeople, because half will have their states insurance regulations gutted, and the other half will have their insurance regulations tightened. Its politically impossible.

Glad to see you looked up 'spurious'.
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Actually, either word will work, straw man. Too bad you didn't spend as much time studying economics and logic


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Translation: I cant argue the actual substantive point, so I'll just address the snarky comment with a snarky one myself because its so much easier.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Repeal 'em GOP'ers find out how life is after declining their Gov't run healthcar

I've not only been in the facilities, I've worked in them and have worked with people in the VA system for years. Its actually a fantastic system in the aspect of doing a lot with a limited budget. The biggest problem in the VA, by far, is the substandard nursing. From a provider perspective, its great in lots of ways. That could be improved with more funding... but guys like you dont like the concept of putting money into wasteful programs like treating veteran's medical issues.

Interesting, then why do so many of my friends and family who are eligible to go to the VA chose not to?

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Repeal 'em GOP'ers find out how life is after declining their Gov't run healthcar

Interesting, then why do so many of my friends and family who are eligible to go to the VA chose not to?

Because they are not well funded... but from a health care perspective, they do quite a bit with a lot less than private insurers. And maybe your friends and family are spoiled by the more heavily taxpayer subsidized healthcare they get from their employer. Or Medicare.

So the basic argument becomes.. do you want ALL people in the country to be given at least some level of basic care, or do you want SOME people in the country to be given a really high standard of care, while the rest just hope they get lucky and dont come down with some costly illness?

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Repeal 'em GOP'ers find out how life is after declining their Gov't run healthcar

Because they are not well funded... but from a health care perspective, they do quite a bit with a lot less than private insurers. And maybe your friends and family are spoiled by the more heavily taxpayer subsidized healthcare they get from their employer. Or Medicare.

So the basic argument becomes.. do you want ALL people in the country to be given at least some level of basic care, or do you want SOME people in the country to be given a really high standard of care, while the rest just hope they get lucky and dont come down with some costly illness?

Why should anyone be GIVEN anything? Why do you think its governments role to be GIVING hand-outs? Is there anything government shouldn't be giving out? Is there any problem that government can't solve or shouldn't even try solving?
Government big enough to supply everything you need is strong enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Repeal 'em GOP'ers find out how life is after declining their Gov't run healthcar

Why should anyone be GIVEN anything? Why do you think its governments role to be GIVING hand-outs? Is there anything government shouldn't be giving out? Is there any problem that government can't solve or shouldn't even try solving?
Government big enough to supply everything you need is strong enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases.

Can you name one single example of any country in the world, at any point in modern history, that has had a healthcare system free of any government financing/involvement?

Somalia, maybe. And I guess if your goal is to be living in Somalia, then you have a point.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Repeal 'em GOP'ers find out how life is after declining their Gov't run healthcar

Can you name one single example of any country in the world, at any point in modern history, that has had a healthcare system free of any government financing/involvement?

Somalia, maybe. And I guess if your goal is to be living in Somalia, then you have a point.

No I can't... I guess that's why it's SO F'ed up. Government's hand is in EVERYTHING and it is NOT GOOD. Politicians have almost OVER-REGULATED business out of existence in the U.S.
Now what's your point moron?

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Repeal 'em GOP'ers find out how life is after declining their Gov't run healthcar

Can you name one single example of any country in the world, at any point in modern history, that has had a healthcare system free of any government financing/involvement?

Somalia, maybe. And I guess if your goal is to be living in Somalia, then you have a point.

What else can our government finance? It is BROKE. There is NO money left to redistribute. Why can't you liberal understand that..... we are in a hole, STOP DIGGING.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Repeal 'em GOP'ers find out how life is after declining their Gov't run healthcar

Can you name one single example of any country in the world, at any point in modern history, that has had a healthcare system free of any government financing/involvement?

Somalia, maybe. And I guess if your goal is to be living in Somalia, then you have a point.

How does it feel to be a SLAVE for 182 days out of every year? Our government mandates slavery out of many of its citizens for half of the year, when will we draw the line? We supposedly ended slavery almost 150 years ago, but yet it continues for a vast many people for half od their life.

 

[Bubble Burster]

Re: Repeal 'em GOP'ers find out how life is after declining their Gov't run healthcar

I've not only been in the facilities, I've worked in them and have worked with people in the VA system for years. Its actually a fantastic system in the aspect of doing a lot with a limited budget. The biggest problem in the VA, by far, is the substandard nursing. From a provider perspective, its great in lots of ways. That could be improved with more funding... but guys like you dont like the concept of putting money into wasteful programs like treating veteran's medical issues.

My question was: have YOU ever been a patient in the VA or USPHS system? Walking down the hall to the pharmacy to sign-in wearing your thousand dollar suit does not mean you understand the VA experience from a patient perspective.

Why is it that the Liberal solution to every problem is to increase funding?

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Repeal 'em GOP'ers find out how life is after declining their Gov't run healthcar

My question was: have YOU ever been a patient in the VA or USPHS system? Walking down the hall to the pharmacy to sign-in wearing your thousand dollar suit does not mean you understand the VA experience from a patient perspective.

Why is it that the Liberal solution to every problem is to increase funding?

Agreed, Liberals believe that more money for education also increases results...and we know how that works out.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Repeal 'em GOP'ers find out how life is after declining their Gov't run healthcar

Agreed, Liberals believe that more money for education also increases results...and we know how that works out.

Results do NOT even factor into the equation for liberals. For the brainwashed liberal drones, it's ALL about feel-good intentions. For the liberal politicians it's all about more money means mores taxes which means more CONTROL. These poor liberal fools don't understand that loss of freedom seldom happens overnight. Oppression doesn't stand on the doorstep with a toothbrush moustache and a swastika armband -- it creeps up insidiously... step by step, and all of a sudden the unfortunate citizen realizes that it is gone.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Repeal 'em GOP'ers find out how life is after declining their Gov't run healthcar

No I can't... I guess that's why it's SO F'ed up. Government's hand is in EVERYTHING and it is NOT GOOD. Politicians have almost OVER-REGULATED business out of existence in the U.S.
Now what's your point moron?

My point is that youre screaming about wanting to live in some mythical lazziez faire fantasyland that in reality, looks a whole lot more like Somalia than somewhere you'd want to live.

Railing on about government and libruls and taxes and liberty and freedoms and personal responsibility is fine, but if you dont have any coherent plan at the end of the day, its pointless.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Repeal 'em GOP'ers find out how life is after declining their Gov't run healthcar

My question was: have YOU ever been a patient in the VA or USPHS system? Walking down the hall to the pharmacy to sign-in wearing your thousand dollar suit does not mean you understand the VA experience from a patient perspective.

Why is it that the Liberal solution to every problem is to increase funding?

Well, its well off the point, but I have spent a few years at a VA and IHS facility as a provider.

But the point isnt that the solution to every problem is to increase funding... the point is that the VA provides fairly good care to many veterans despite thin funding, and thats a good example of how government can run a health care system pretty damn efficiently.

Is it perfect? No. Is it one we want for every American? No. But it woulld be nice if it could be the starting point for care for all.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Repeal 'em GOP'ers find out how life is after declining their Gov't run healthcar

Well, its well off the point, but I have spent a few years at a VA and IHS facility as a provider.

But the point isnt that the solution to every problem is to increase funding... the point is that the VA provides fairly good care to many veterans despite thin funding, and thats a good example of how government can run a health care system pretty damn efficiently.

Is it perfect? No. Is it one we want for every American? No. But it woulld be nice if it could be the starting point for care for all.

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”
No thanks.... I'll keep my freedom and you keep your V.A. care or move to Massachusetts, I've heard how great their social-healthcare plan is working.
“Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it”