PharmD's are not doctors!

Re: PharmD's are Doctors!

Go back to counting Viagra by fives PharmD! You are a complete waste of time. I’ve been an oncology rep for over 15 years and my PharmD MSL doesn’t know the first thing about oncology or the drugs, other then the classes of chemotherapy. She looks so stupid when she attempts to have a clinical conversation with our KOL’s. The cool thing is, is that she knows she doesn’t know anything and she knows it’s going to take a few years to get up a running and that her PharmD will provide very little value to cancer researchers, that it is merely a paper degree. MD Phd researchers are not impressed with PharmD’s unless they have been a researcher for many years.

While I agree PharmDs are arrogant tools, your assertion that a REP is smarter than a PharmD is a joke. You know what marketing tells you. And if you think as Doc has a "clinical" conversation with you, I would go see a shrink.

Reps no longer have any value. Most are cheerleaders and follow the leader. Docs want to see MSLs NOT some donut dropping texting twit or suzy buttercup.

Most posts on this site are from reps. I highly doubt many real MSLs come here. They just dont care what you think, let alone say!!
 








MBA and JD?

Dude you clearly are a rep, smoke man meat, and shower in the goo.

Yes, PharmDs are jokes. PhDs have the real brain power.

Go back to lunches and pens rep-bot. Gues your BA in Phys Ed makes you think you're smart???

I am currently finishing my first year of the pharmD program. Last year I applied to PhD and PharmD programs and got offers from both. For different reasons, I decided to accept a PharmD offer. What I have learned from being in the program is that it is ALL MEMORIZATION. When we actually have to apply critical thinking skills, 80% of the class goes into a shit fit. My view is that professional "doctorate degres" are nothing but memorization and application. On the other hand, PhD's MUST BE intelligent and have SUPERIOR critical thinking skills to be successful and even complete the program.

Now, to address this argument properly, you have to keep in mind that everyone is different. Some people love teaching students at the university and spending their time looking at chemical reactions in their office and laboratory. While others don't mind being pill-pushers and making a 100K salary. I had a difficult time choosing which path I would take and have many regrets that I took the PharmD path. I find no satisfaction in pushing pills or memorizing the hell out of everything without actually looking deeper. I really respect PhD's and believe that they should be the only people allowed to carry the title "Doctor". They go into this profession out of passion for the subject. Professional doctorates are different because they are magnets for greedy shallow individuals.

So, I believe that PhD's are the real deal. Everything else is just done to make the cash. Everyone that goes to pharmacy school is just interested in 100K. It's so disgusting to even think about the faces of students in my class because I see nothing behind their eyes. Cash, cash, cash. That is all they want. PhD's usually don't want cash. They want intellectual cash. They are fiends for intellectual cash. I don't know if you could say that that is the same greed or not.
 




Before hating on the PharmDs take your asses through pharmacy school. I really doubt you can handle it. You guys don't have a clue what we go through and what we can do. Just like there are shitty pharmacists, there are shitty physicians, NPs, PAs, etc. The PharmD is an established degree that has been around since the 1960s. Sure it used to not be the standard, but it is now. The PharmD curriculum is VERY different from the old BS curriculum. Please stop bashing other professionals. Please get over yourselves, as well as your micropenis. The need for you to bash other professionals results from your own insecurity. I know what I went through to obtain my degree, and I am very clinically sound. PharmDs go through more didactic education regarding pharmacotherapy, pharmacology, and medicinal chemistry than any other healthcare professional, including MDs. Although I am not a big enough douchebag to use the title "doctor," I know I received a doctorate level education. I am a doctor of pharmacy, not a medical doctor. Nonetheless, I am a doctor. Healthcare is too complex for one person to handle it all. Especially something as complex as medicine. And to the previous poster, you haven't been in school long enough if you aren't thinking critically. You'll see in your 3rd year of school and on your 4th year rotations. You need the background first. You should be proud of the route you have chose instead of feeding the haters on this thread. Pharmacy is one of the oldest and most respected professions, and frankly if your heart isn't in it you should get out because I don't want you in my profession.
 




Before hating on the PharmDs take your asses through pharmacy school. I really doubt you can handle it. You guys don't have a clue what we go through and what we can do. Just like there are shitty pharmacists, there are shitty physicians, NPs, PAs, etc. The PharmD is an established degree that has been around since the 1960s. Sure it used to not be the standard, but it is now. The PharmD curriculum is VERY different from the old BS curriculum. Please stop bashing other professionals. Please get over yourselves, as well as your micropenis. The need for you to bash other professionals results from your own insecurity. I know what I went through to obtain my degree, and I am very clinically sound. PharmDs go through more didactic education regarding pharmacotherapy, pharmacology, and medicinal chemistry than any other healthcare professional, including MDs. Although I am not a big enough douchebag to use the title "doctor," I know I received a doctorate level education. I am a doctor of pharmacy, not a medical doctor. Nonetheless, I am a doctor. Healthcare is too complex for one person to handle it all. Especially something as complex as medicine. And to the previous poster, you haven't been in school long enough if you aren't thinking critically. You'll see in your 3rd year of school and on your 4th year rotations. You need the background first. You should be proud of the route you have chose instead of feeding the haters on this thread. Pharmacy is one of the oldest and most respected professions, and frankly if your heart isn't in it you should get out because I don't want you in my profession.

You're so right! You just inspired me to enroll in the University of Florida ONLINE Pharm. D. program! In 3 short online years, I'll be a "doctor" just like you!
 




You're so right! You just inspired me to enroll in the University of Florida ONLINE Pharm. D. program! In 3 short online years, I'll be a "doctor" just like you!

Great! Let me lend you a hand. Here's the link to the UF College of Pharmacy program: http://www.cop.ufl.edu/wppd/

Several of my colleagues went through this program to get their Pharm D. These are very seasoned pharmacists with excellent clinical skills and they all graduated from pharmacy schools pre 1994 with a BS in Pharmacy. They all claimed that the program is very challenging and insightful. No wonder the University of Florida College of Pharmacy program is so highly ranked.

I understand that the program is three solid years with no breaks in between. You are required to meet for 3 written exams per semester plus multiple case presentations and clinical workshops. I guess except the lecture part, it is not exactly 100% online. To qualify for graduation, you must also complete 36 CPAs and a research paper. The CPAs and research paper have stringent preset guidelines. The CPAs must be reviewed and accepted by the UF College of Pharmacy approved preceptors and the research paper must be reviewed and accepted by the review committee faculty. Some of my colleagues took extended time off to complete their clinical rotation at UF's Hospital as well.

This program is definitely top notched and is ACPE accredited. I am certain that you will gain new clinical knowledge after completing the program and maybe you will consider to take it a step further to become Board Certified in Pharmacotherapy. One word of advice, please make sure you go for a good program like the one at UF and stay away from the diploma mill's. The diploma mill's will leave you frustrated and unable to think on your own because they spoon feed you with clinical information and want you to just memorize it. Oh, BTW, did I mention you need to be a licensed pharmacist to eligible for the program? So where are you currently practicing pharmacy?

I and my fellow pharmacists await the day that you complete the program to join our elite Doctor of Pharmacy group. Good luck!
 




Great! Let me lend you a hand. Here's the link to the UF College of Pharmacy program: http://www.cop.ufl.edu/wppd/

Several of my colleagues went through this program to get their Pharm D. These are very seasoned pharmacists with excellent clinical skills and they all graduated from pharmacy schools pre 1994 with a BS in Pharmacy. They all claimed that the program is very challenging and insightful. No wonder the University of Florida College of Pharmacy program is so highly ranked.

I understand that the program is three solid years with no breaks in between. You are required to meet for 3 written exams per semester plus multiple case presentations and clinical workshops. I guess except the lecture part, it is not exactly 100% online. To qualify for graduation, you must also complete 36 CPAs and a research paper. The CPAs and research paper have stringent preset guidelines. The CPAs must be reviewed and accepted by the UF College of Pharmacy approved preceptors and the research paper must be reviewed and accepted by the review committee faculty. Some of my colleagues took extended time off to complete their clinical rotation at UF's Hospital as well.

This program is definitely top notched and is ACPE accredited. I am certain that you will gain new clinical knowledge after completing the program and maybe you will consider to take it a step further to become Board Certified in Pharmacotherapy. One word of advice, please make sure you go for a good program like the one at UF and stay away from the diploma mill's. The diploma mill's will leave you frustrated and unable to think on your own because they spoon feed you with clinical information and want you to just memorize it. Oh, BTW, did I mention you need to be a licensed pharmacist to eligible for the program? So where are you currently practicing pharmacy?

I and my fellow pharmacists await the day that you complete the program to join our elite Doctor of Pharmacy group. Good luck!

I just shed a tear or two reading this post. What a struggle it must be to go through a PharmD program, even an online version. And all that sacrifice, just ends in counting in fives and pushing pills. What a shame.

PharmD's (what a horrible sounding degree) and PhDs should realize that 98% of the American public associates the title Doctor with physicians. If someone hits the deck on a crowded subway, do you think that unfortunate person would want a pill-pusher's horrified mug peering at him? Or a 4-eyed ivory-castle-living long-haired PhD loser meeping away at him?

Get real people. Deal with your professional insecurities. Next time, do better in undergrad school and you may be able to get into a Caribbean med school.
 




Before hating on the PharmDs take your asses through pharmacy school. I really doubt you can handle it. You guys don't have a clue what we go through and what we can do. Just like there are shitty pharmacists, there are shitty physicians, NPs, PAs, etc. The PharmD is an established degree that has been around since the 1960s. Sure it used to not be the standard, but it is now. The PharmD curriculum is VERY different from the old BS curriculum. Please stop bashing other professionals. Please get over yourselves, as well as your micropenis. The need for you to bash other professionals results from your own insecurity. I know what I went through to obtain my degree, and I am very clinically sound. PharmDs go through more didactic education regarding pharmacotherapy, pharmacology, and medicinal chemistry than any other healthcare professional, including MDs. Although I am not a big enough douchebag to use the title "doctor," I know I received a doctorate level education. I am a doctor of pharmacy, not a medical doctor. Nonetheless, I am a doctor. Healthcare is too complex for one person to handle it all. Especially something as complex as medicine. And to the previous poster, you haven't been in school long enough if you aren't thinking critically. You'll see in your 3rd year of school and on your 4th year rotations. You need the background first. You should be proud of the route you have chose instead of feeding the haters on this thread. Pharmacy is one of the oldest and most respected professions, and frankly if your heart isn't in it you should get out because I don't want you in my profession.
That’s hilarious! Fact is the vast majority of R. Pharmacists (the old and many say proper title for a pharmacy degree) and PharmD’s work in retail, which virtually no one has any respect for. You manage inventories…sort of, you manage teenage tech’s…sort of,…and you give flu shots. Wow! Impressive.

BTW when one earns a law degree it is called a Juris Doctorate, and it is the oldest doctoral level degree, but yet no one calls lawyers by the title doctor. Why is that? Here’s why. What goofy pharmacists are confusing, is a doctorate level degree(which is still hotly debated at colleges with pharmacy schools whether a PharmD program equates to a comparable Phd program) with a sir title commonly reserved for medical doctors and Phd’s. Sorry but a PharmD is not a Phd. There are however plenty of really bright PharmD’s who have also earned Phd’s and those are the only PharmD’s who should be addressed as Doctor.

I have a JD and an MBA…maybe I should start going by Master Doctor before my name…hey I earned it!
 








So explain dentists, optometrists, chiropractors and vets. All of which go by the title Doctor, unlike the vast majority of PhDs (and PharmDs) I know.

Good points. In my opinion dentists, vet’s, and optometrists, would fall under the loose term of “medicine” and using the sir title of Dr. is appropriate and customary. Chiropractors are not “doctors” but it has become customary, much to the chagrin of many healthcare professionals to call them “Dr.”. I mean come on pharmacists wanting to be called “doctor” is a new trend and most MD’s think it is laughable, not because of ego but for the mere fact that in a healthcare setting it is very confusing to patients when pharmacists go by doctor. To use the PP example, lawyers do not go by the title Dr. even though they a doctoral degree. Why do lawyers not go by Dr.? Because it is not customary or ordinary to use that title unless you are a Phd. or a health care provider with a doctoral degree. I’m sorry but a pharmacist is not a healthcare provider in the common and customary way as an MD. Seriously have you not been to a CVS or Walgreens lately? If you can count and read a computer screen you can be a retail pharmacist! Do you see their lab coats or name tags… it doesn’t say Dr. Smith it says their first name!

The best illustration of this is in the movie “The Hangover” when they are checking in and the Stu says to the hotel check in girl,” I have a reservation under Dr. Price”, and his buddy says “Oh “Doctor”…fancy… look Miss, don’t get too excited, he’s just a dentist so if someone has a heart attack you should still call 911. Think of it this way if a pharmacist, an optometrist, a veterinarian, a chiropractor, a dentist and an MD were all at a table how would they introduce what they did for a living? The only one saying, “I’m a doctor” is the MD. The dentist would say “I’m a dentist”, the pharmacist would say “I’m a pharmacist”, the optometrist would say “I’m an optometrist…and so on. Rightly or wrongly when some introduces themselves as Dr. Smith most reasonable people think MD, and not the other non MD, doctoral degrees. It’s just the way it is and pharmacists trying to get their “respect” is foolish to do so with tagging Dr. in front of their name.
 




In a professional context, health care practitioners of any kind holding state licenses for diagnosis and treatment in independent practice are customarily addressed as doctor, whether they are M.D., D.O, OD, DDS, DMD, DC or PsyD, DPM,. Like it or not, this is the custom most professions adhere to and most patients seem to ready to adopt.

I'm a clinical psychologist. I don't introduce myself as Dr. XXXXX, but in every clinical setting I've worked, including hospitals, staff, including MDs, have formally introduced me and addressed me as Dr XXXXXX in meetings or if we don't work together regularly. Even though I always introduce myself by first and last name to new patients in a practice setting, many patients persistently refer to me as Dr. XXXXXX.

The answer to the question of when to use the title can't be found in a rule book. We can only look at what is customary. It is unethical to mislead patients about one's credentials. If I have an inkling that someone believes I'm an MD, I clarify for them. And sometimes people ask for clarification on their own. Confusion can arise because of significantly overlapping scope of practice for psychiatrists (MD or DO) and clinical psychologists (PhD or PsyD.). Often we work in the same setting, treat the same disorders and even hold appointments on the same faculty. It's not uncommon for patients to see both a psychiatrist and a psychologist for treatment. I think the confusion is less likely to arise in other areas of professional practice (e.g. dentistry, chiropractic, veterinary medicine) because scope of practice overlaps with MD/DO practice very little to not at all.

What differentiate pharmacists from all the above professions is that pharmacists are not licensed to diagnose or treat anything. They are licensed to dispense medication ordered by physicians. On that basis, the use of the title "doctor" would not be customary, except perhaps if they are working in a university setting. But it's a little fuzzy with PharmDs because they do work in health care and they hold a license. Personally, I couldn't care less if they want to use the title as long as they never do so in a misleading manner and never misrepresent their professional competencies. They've gone through a doctoral programs and, and though not customary, it doesn't seem outrageous to use the title within a professional context. I would imagine that like people in my profession, they are not inclined to misrepresent themselves.
 




In a professional context, health care practitioners of any kind holding state licenses for diagnosis and treatment in independent practice are customarily addressed as doctor, whether they are M.D., D.O, OD, DDS, DMD, DC or PsyD, DPM,. Like it or not, this is the custom most professions adhere to and most patients seem to ready to adopt.

I'm a clinical psychologist. I don't introduce myself as Dr. XXXXX, but in every clinical setting I've worked, including hospitals, staff, including MDs, have formally introduced me and addressed me as Dr XXXXXX in meetings or if we don't work together regularly. Even though I always introduce myself by first and last name to new patients in a practice setting, many patients persistently refer to me as Dr. XXXXXX.

The answer to the question of when to use the title can't be found in a rule book. We can only look at what is customary. It is unethical to mislead patients about one's credentials. If I have an inkling that someone believes I'm an MD, I clarify for them. And sometimes people ask for clarification on their own. Confusion can arise because of significantly overlapping scope of practice for psychiatrists (MD or DO) and clinical psychologists (PhD or PsyD.). Often we work in the same setting, treat the same disorders and even hold appointments on the same faculty. It's not uncommon for patients to see both a psychiatrist and a psychologist for treatment. I think the confusion is less likely to arise in other areas of professional practice (e.g. dentistry, chiropractic, veterinary medicine) because scope of practice overlaps with MD/DO practice very little to not at all.

What differentiate pharmacists from all the above professions is that pharmacists are not licensed to diagnose or treat anything. They are licensed to dispense medication ordered by physicians. On that basis, the use of the title "doctor" would not be customary, except perhaps if they are working in a university setting. But it's a little fuzzy with PharmDs because they do work in health care and they hold a license. Personally, I couldn't care less if they want to use the title as long as they never do so in a misleading manner and never misrepresent their professional competencies. They've gone through a doctoral programs and, and though not customary, it doesn't seem outrageous to use the title within a professional context. I would imagine that like people in my profession, they are not inclined to misrepresent themselves.

Wow. You keep dredging up this thread every time you girlfriend/wife/boyfriend complains about your small penis.
 




I just shed a tear or two reading this post. What a struggle it must be to go through a PharmD program, even an online version. And all that sacrifice, just ends in counting in fives and pushing pills. What a shame.

PharmD's (what a horrible sounding degree) and PhDs should realize that 98% of the American public associates the title Doctor with physicians. If someone hits the deck on a crowded subway, do you think that unfortunate person would want a pill-pusher's horrified mug peering at him? Or a 4-eyed ivory-castle-living long-haired PhD loser meeping away at him?

Get real people. Deal with your professional insecurities. Next time, do better in undergrad school and you may be able to get into a Caribbean med school.


You don't sound any better.
 




In a professional context, health care practitioners of any kind holding state licenses for diagnosis and treatment in independent practice are customarily addressed as doctor, whether they are M.D., D.O, OD, DDS, DMD, DC or PsyD, DPM,. Like it or not, this is the custom most professions adhere to and most patients seem to ready to adopt.

I'm a clinical psychologist. I don't introduce myself as Dr. XXXXX, but in every clinical setting I've worked, including hospitals, staff, including MDs, have formally introduced me and addressed me as Dr XXXXXX in meetings or if we don't work together regularly. Even though I always introduce myself by first and last name to new patients in a practice setting, many patients persistently refer to me as Dr. XXXXXX.

The answer to the question of when to use the title can't be found in a rule book. We can only look at what is customary. It is unethical to mislead patients about one's credentials. If I have an inkling that someone believes I'm an MD, I clarify for them. And sometimes people ask for clarification on their own. Confusion can arise because of significantly overlapping scope of practice for psychiatrists (MD or DO) and clinical psychologists (PhD or PsyD.). Often we work in the same setting, treat the same disorders and even hold appointments on the same faculty. It's not uncommon for patients to see both a psychiatrist and a psychologist for treatment. I think the confusion is less likely to arise in other areas of professional practice (e.g. dentistry, chiropractic, veterinary medicine) because scope of practice overlaps with MD/DO practice very little to not at all.

What differentiate pharmacists from all the above professions is that pharmacists are not licensed to diagnose or treat anything. They are licensed to dispense medication ordered by physicians. On that basis, the use of the title "doctor" would not be customary, except perhaps if they are working in a university setting. But it's a little fuzzy with PharmDs because they do work in health care and they hold a license. Personally, I couldn't care less if they want to use the title as long as they never do so in a misleading manner and never misrepresent their professional competencies. They've gone through a doctoral programs and, and though not customary, it doesn't seem outrageous to use the title within a professional context. I would imagine that like people in my profession, they are not inclined to misrepresent themselves.

Spot on.
 












Pharmacists play an integral role. Doctors and nurses too. Get over your fucking self.

You’re right. Counting by fives and reading off a computer screen if very “integral”…Oh that’s right the tech does that…

Pre-computer automation in the pharmacy, pharmacists had to know a lot. In this day in age if you can read and count you too can be a pharmacist.

Sure the PharmD’s who actually conduct phramco dyn/kin studies on drugs are in a different class, but the retail/hospital pharmacist is a joke job and justly paid lower than other “doctorate” level degrees in the healthcare system…

You want to know their level of importance look at what an MD earns versus a PharmD…
 




I visit this site every few months just to review the ridiculous posts. The vast majority of PharmDs are illiterate pinheads as evidenced by their posts to this site. I thought their initial appearance in the industry would be short lived. Unfortunately, I was wrong. These idiots provide nothing of value. The vast majority have the intellect of a house plant and are unbelievably arrogant. They are delusional if they thinkk that they are able to engage in peer to peer conversation with physicians.
 




I visit this site every few months just to review the ridiculous posts. The vast majority of PharmDs are illiterate pinheads as evidenced by their posts to this site. I thought their initial appearance in the industry would be short lived. Unfortunately, I was wrong. These idiots provide nothing of value. The vast majority have the intellect of a house plant and are unbelievably arrogant. They are delusional if they thinkk that they are able to engage in peer to peer conversation with physicians.

Translation:

I could not get into pharmacy school so I visit here to whine, moan and complain about the profession. Now I wear a paper hat and ask whether the combo is medium or large. I deliver pizza on the side and steal wireless internet services from my neighbor while I am living in my mommy's basement.
 




Translation:

I could not get into pharmacy school so I visit here to whine, moan and complain about the profession. Now I wear a paper hat and ask whether the combo is medium or large. I deliver pizza on the side and steal wireless internet services from my neighbor while I am living in my mommy's basement.

That's funny since that is the scenario for most pharmacists...also of all professional schools in medicine pharmacy school is the easiest to get into. Most of the top tier MBA programs are more selective than most pharmacy schools!