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Yes they do, but you have obviously never been a part of it!

Until recently, Lilly Oncology was selling three agents in a myriad of combinations and indications in the most serious of situations, metastatic cancer.

And as for that one product, it is very doubtfull you could have ever understood or communicated what a folate analog metabolic inhibitor does (arguably the simplist of the three) nor do it with the maturity this position requires (your immature comments make that clear!).

Lilly Oncology must keep top talent to be ready for the introduction of new agents in the future. I wish them well in that challenge. In the meantime - go back to the baby pool!
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Thanks for the clarification there Hiram. So Gemzaar had many indications or compendia listings which Lilly pushed off-label with all those unnapproved reprints for years? And you clowns lost the patent early and did not have enough ink to promote Alitma for all tumor types like the magic of Gem? My heart bleeds for you arrogant scabs. Go sell insulin now you over paid waiters!
 






Anonymous said:
Oh right...you are in the grown up pool since you are an oncology drug rep. Get over yourself loser. How are those snack baskets going? Making an impact in the world.
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I was an oncology drug rep - and I know what it took to do the job - and snack baskets were not allowed when we were only selling Alimta you dip stick! That was allowed when the division was selling Gemzar - moron!! Most places don't even do lunches - cretan - and therefore you have to succeed on knowledge, relationship, and (of yes you're missing this one) ... maturity.

So how is it you think you can judge a whole sales force when you've never even gone through what was arguably the most difficult sales school around? If you weren't oncology - then you're not qualified to criticize! Those of us who have done the job see plenty that needs to be improved and hope it happens. But not hiring immature reps like you is a feather in our cap.

GO BACK TO THE BABY POOL and let the grown ups have a discussion here!
 






I hate to say it because I know they have families and need to support themselves but we really should have cut more people. Lilly Oncology is the laughing stock of the industry and we have no products (now at least) to sell. It needs to built back up from the ground up. I know a lot of the current reps feel they are the best and so forth- but its very clear through CVM scores and just within in the industry that Lilly does not have a very good oncology division. Whether the cause was bad promotions, bad managers, bad leaders, bad reps- it doesn't matter because unfortunately they are just bad.

My heart goes out to those that didn't make the cut- hopefully it will be an eye opening experience for them and they can perhaps change the sales approach that has made them unsuccessful. A good chance to go to another industry. For those that made the cut- hopefully an eye opening experience for them to see that things need to change. And it starts in the field. Better managers and better reps. Reps that can cultivate relationships- if you don't have the relationship with the Dr. 9/10 times they aren't even going to listen to you no matter how much product knowledge you think you have.

Listen to Michael Jackson "man in the mirror"- and make that change.
 






Anonymous said:
I hate to say it because I know they have families and need to support themselves but we really should have cut more people. Lilly Oncology is the laughing stock of the industry and we have no products (now at least) to sell. It needs to built back up from the ground up. I know a lot of the current reps feel they are the best and so forth- but its very clear through CVM scores and just within in the industry that Lilly does not have a very good oncology division. Whether the cause was bad promotions, bad managers, bad leaders, bad reps- it doesn't matter because unfortunately they are just bad.

My heart goes out to those that didn't make the cut- hopefully it will be an eye opening experience for them and they can perhaps change the sales approach that has made them unsuccessful. A good chance to go to another industry. For those that made the cut- hopefully an eye opening experience for them to see that things need to change. And it starts in the field. Better managers and better reps. Reps that can cultivate relationships- if you don't have the relationship with the Dr. 9/10 times they aren't even going to listen to you no matter how much product knowledge you think you have.

Listen to Michael Jackson "man in the mirror"- and make that change.
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well said!
 






Anonymous said:
well said!
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These anti Onc Posts baffle me. At our biggest there were 272 reps. Just Alimta is almost 1B in sales in the US. The cardiac team has double the reps and a fraction of the sales. People can say what they want about Cvm scores but Lilly Onc is consistently ranked 1 or 2 by Oncology Business Review. And lastly I am sure that this is just one Person who interviewed for an onc job a few years back and didn't make it for whatever reason (low sales, low capacity to acquire knowledge) but people had their lives messed up on Friday. Don't celebrate it.
 






Anonymous said:
I was an oncology drug rep - and I know what it took to do the job - and snack baskets were not allowed when we were only selling Alimta you dip stick! That was allowed when the division was selling Gemzar - moron!! Most places don't even do lunches - cretan - and therefore you have to succeed on knowledge, relationship, and (of yes you're missing this one) ... maturity.

So how is it you think you can judge a whole sales force when you've never even gone through what was arguably the most difficult sales school around? If you weren't oncology - then you're not qualified to criticize! Those of us who have done the job see plenty that needs to be improved and hope it happens. But not hiring immature reps like you is a feather in our cap.

GO BACK TO THE BABY POOL and let the grown ups have a discussion here!
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Being able to differentiate between Subway and Quiznos must be your key transferrable skill. Knowing the dosing regimen of Mr. Pibb vs. Dr. Pepper takes a level of maturity only you possess. Tosser.
 












Anonymous said:
STILL FUNNY!
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The Onc community wants powerhouse biotech reps who can share cutting edge USEFUL data that will help them make critical decisions! Not reps that share old data or have to ask permission to share off label info that they are begging for to save patients lives. THAT'S CVM.... And that's not on the expensive iPads or even can be answered by the incompetent fools that answere the phone at LOD. Shame on this division for not standing up and telling Sr leaders what needs to be done in an ethical and compliant way to stay competitive.
 


















Anonymous said:
Yes they do, but you have obviously never been a part of it!

Until recently, Lilly Oncology was selling three agents in a myriad of combinations and indications in the most serious of situations, metastatic cancer.
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Most serious of situations? WTF? How about an ax cleaving the skull in an ER? Is that LESS serious? How about an iron rod through the eyeball in a 16 year old girl? I can think of at least a thousand, maybe ten thousand situations that are more serious. Come back down to earth, and relax. Let us in the ER do the heavy lifting.
 






Anonymous said:
I got reallocated and i dont think any of this is funny. I wouldnt in my division or any other. Its hard, sad and hurtful.
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Well the good news for you 5 spots posted that are vacant. If you are worth your salt you should be able to get one of them. Otherwise you can always repost for a primary care spot and work on your craft! Plenty of jobs at Lilly for those that want them- maybe just not doing exactly what you were doing. And according to previous posters Lilly Oncology wasn't that highly regarded- I don't know anyone in that division so I wouldn't know.
 






Anonymous said:
Most serious of situations? WTF? How about an ax cleaving the skull in an ER? Is that LESS serious? How about an iron rod through the eyeball in a 16 year old girl? I can think of at least a thousand, maybe ten thousand situations that are more serious. Come back down to earth, and relax. Let us in the ER do the heavy lifting.
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Golly, I forgot about Lilly's "iron rod through the eyeball" or our "ax cleaving skull" drugs!!! You're right, those are ... Hey, wait ... We don't have drugs for that!! So either you're selling something crazy off label - or you're too stupid to realize this is a pharma thread that is discussing selling drugs! But thanks anyway - in the meantime, go sell crazy somewhere else because we are "seriously" too full here!
 






Anonymous said:
I hate to say it because I know they have families and need to support themselves but we really should have cut more people. Lilly Oncology is the laughing stock of the industry and we have no products (now at least) to sell. It needs to built back up from the ground up. I know a lot of the current reps feel they are the best and so forth- but its very clear through CVM scores and just within in the industry that Lilly does not have a very good oncology division. Whether the cause was bad promotions, bad managers, bad leaders, bad reps- it doesn't matter because unfortunately they are just bad.

My heart goes out to those that didn't make the cut- hopefully it will be an eye opening experience for them and they can perhaps change the sales approach that has made them unsuccessful. A good chance to go to another industry. For those that made the cut- hopefully an eye opening experience for them to see that things need to change. And it starts in the field. Better managers and better reps. Reps that can cultivate relationships- if you don't have the relationship with the Dr. 9/10 times they aren't even going to listen to you no matter how much product knowledge you think you have.

Listen to Michael Jackson "man in the mirror"- and make that change.
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To this poster.... "My heart goes out to those that didn't make the cut - hopefully it will be an eye opening experience for them and they can perhaps change the sales approach that has made them unsuccessful": For your information, there were talented and great sales reps (and managers) who didn't make the cut. They didn't need to change their sales approach, and they were succesful in what they did. They were the victim of tenure decisions and bad timing.
 










































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