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Medical Sales College. Is it for Real?
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If you are still counting on luck at this point in your life, you need to get educated.
This school is really not going to help.
Inside EliteMed Recruiters only get paid if they sign a student to MSC?
Hmmm... seems interesting if these are the actual placements. If there is an average of 3 classes a month and 10 students per class, there should be an average of 30 students per month. 81% of 30 i= 24.3. If you count each month. They fall way short of averaging 24 a month. It seems closer to 40%. If you count they are placing about 16 a month on average. I know for a fact they are averaging over 30 students a month as there are more than 10 in some classes and more than 3 classes in a month at times.
Having not posted to this site in many months, I thought it was about time for an update, as we know that there are people out there reading these blogs – just trying to make sense and sift through all of the garbage for nuggets of truth.
I find it interesting that our proponent (namely “Steve”) has not made any negative comments to this site for nearly two months. After months of consistent, even daily, posts, there has been virtually no activity and no negativity. Seems that “Steve” has had other things to do the last 3 months…
The Medical Sales College is, and has always been, a “legit” school. Our placement rates are at an all-time high. (Placement rates are up to 85.09% as of this morning for 2011 graduates and at 80.95% for all graduates of 8-week programs who graduated more than 90 days ago.)
Our placement services provider, EliteMed Recruiting has over 500 positions they are seeking to fill nationwide and the vast majority of those positions are with employers who have expressed specific interest in our MSC graduates. EliteMed has had success because hiring managers know what to expect from an EliteMed candidate (very often, but not always, an MSC graduate).
If you are among those people who are trying to make a decision, please contact me and I will be happy to provide references (we have dozens of former students who are happy to take calls or respond to emails on their free time to share their experience with you) and will answer your questions as directly as possible.
To see placement activity on our Facebook page, please visit: www.facebook.com/medicalsalescollege
To see over 200 of our recently placed Medical Sales College graduates, please visit our website at: http://medicalsalescollege.com/recently-hired-msc-grads/
Also visit our YouTube channel, where we have over 50 videos from employers, graduates, and surgeons who talk about their experience with MSC: http://www.youtube.com/user/medicalsalescollege?feature=results_main
Regards,
Shannon Marshall
(303) 407-3393
Director of Marketing, Medical Sales College
I find it interesting that our proponent (namely “Steve”) has not made any negative comments to this site for nearly two months. After months of consistent, even daily, posts, there has been virtually no activity and no negativity. Seems that “Steve” has had other things to do the last 3 months…
The Medical Sales College is, and has always been, a “legit” school. Our placement rates are at an all-time high. (Placement rates are up to 85.09% as of this morning for 2011 graduates and at 80.95% for all graduates of 8-week programs who graduated more than 90 days ago.)
Our placement services provider, EliteMed Recruiting has over 500 positions they are seeking to fill nationwide and the vast majority of those positions are with employers who have expressed specific interest in our MSC graduates. EliteMed has had success because hiring managers know what to expect from an EliteMed candidate (very often, but not always, an MSC graduate).
If you are among those people who are trying to make a decision, please contact me and I will be happy to provide references (we have dozens of former students who are happy to take calls or respond to emails on their free time to share their experience with you) and will answer your questions as directly as possible.
To see placement activity on our Facebook page, please visit: www.facebook.com/medicalsalescollege
To see over 200 of our recently placed Medical Sales College graduates, please visit our website at: http://medicalsalescollege.com/recently-hired-msc-grads/
Also visit our YouTube channel, where we have over 50 videos from employers, graduates, and surgeons who talk about their experience with MSC: http://www.youtube.com/user/medicalsalescollege?feature=results_main
Regards,
Shannon Marshall
(303) 407-3393
Director of Marketing, Medical Sales College
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Shouldn't you have to pay for ads like this???
Business must be slow. Time for them to stir up the pot again and get some free publicity. Awaiting endless spamming of their Facebook testimonials. Rinse and repeat.
Medical Sales College is Not Worth It
Written by rollmodel From Mobile, Alabama, US
I can tell you from personal experience and after paying a total of almost $10,000 to attend their MSC that they are taking money from people who they recruit and after they go through their program and have paid their $6500 in tuition they are told on the day they "Graduate" with worthless certificate not to call the recruiting offices every week because they are working on getting every graduate an interview. I was recruited after finding a job listing on careerbuilder.com. I sent my resume to the email for the job listing and was contacted by EliteMed recruiting and was told due to my background that I would get a job very quickly and would probably have job offers before I finished their MSC program. The program is 8 weeks with 4 weeks being at home and the other 4 is at their office in Colorado. So, I was required to pay $3250.00 and they would send me a program binder to start the program and I had to pay the rest before I arrived in Colorado for the last 4 weeks. I paid $1800 for the room I stayed in while in Colorado and about $800 for food and drink while in Colorado. My flight was $300 for round trip. So I spent $9400.00 total on the program. The same guy owns both the MSC and Elite Med recruiting. However, the only thing I can say positive about the experience is the 4 weeks in Colorado I was taught by two guys who were exceptional in being able to teach and for being very knowledgeable. This however was not worth the alomost $10,000 I spent. I have not had ONE interview set up by Elite MEd. I have had two interviews that I got through LinkedIN and when asking the guys who interviewed me if they had talked to Elite Med or if they had seen my profile on their website etc, they said my interview had nothing to do with Elite Med and the only positive response I received from both interviews about the entire MSC experience was they were impressed that I spent almost $10,000.00 toward getting into medical sales. I am still waiting to hear from them this was just a little while ago that I had the interviews. Also, the primary thing that bothered me to begin with is that while I was in Colorado I found out that the recruiters that I dealt with initially worked in total separate offices and separate floor from the recruiters I dealt with as I graduated from their program. I found out that the recruiters who post all these job opportunities, or at least the ones who were recruiting me to begin with are strictly recruiting for new students to go to MSC. I saw this with my own eyes and heard with my own ears. On a break during a class while in Colorado I wondered into the hallway next to the class room and there were offices on each side of the hallway. The doors were open and within a 15 minute break I heard 3 different recruiters make at least 3-4 phone calls where they had brief conversations with people telling them they had great backgrounds but needed to attend the MSC program so they would have the experience they needed. I was also told during my initial recruiting that they MSC had hiring managers from several companies that routinely visit the school for recruiting new prospects. Well, in my 4 weeks we had one guy come in and talk to us for a few minutes and since nobody had heard the name of his "company" before and asked him about the "company" we learned he was a local distributer and only hired people to work strictly commission. I can also attest that I personally know that some of the people they have listed on their site as successful placements were in my class who I still keep contact with who found their jobs with no help from Elite Med and didn't like when they learned that Elite listed them as to take credit. The way they keep up with you is they assign you a "recruiter" for your area that is sitting in an office in Colorado and sends emails once every few weeks to see if you have found a job yet. If you tell them you have and tell them for who then they list you on their site and take credit for the placement. I have been contacted several times by my "recruiter" but not once have they told me they had a possible interview, they only ask if I have had any luck! One reason the students who have been listed but received no help from Elite will not speak out against them due to fear of being Blackballed within the medical sales industry by people from Elite/MSC. I could write many more facts about them and will if anyone requests additional info.
Written by rollmodel From Mobile, Alabama, US
I can tell you from personal experience and after paying a total of almost $10,000 to attend their MSC that they are taking money from people who they recruit and after they go through their program and have paid their $6500 in tuition they are told on the day they "Graduate" with worthless certificate not to call the recruiting offices every week because they are working on getting every graduate an interview. I was recruited after finding a job listing on careerbuilder.com. I sent my resume to the email for the job listing and was contacted by EliteMed recruiting and was told due to my background that I would get a job very quickly and would probably have job offers before I finished their MSC program. The program is 8 weeks with 4 weeks being at home and the other 4 is at their office in Colorado. So, I was required to pay $3250.00 and they would send me a program binder to start the program and I had to pay the rest before I arrived in Colorado for the last 4 weeks. I paid $1800 for the room I stayed in while in Colorado and about $800 for food and drink while in Colorado. My flight was $300 for round trip. So I spent $9400.00 total on the program. The same guy owns both the MSC and Elite Med recruiting. However, the only thing I can say positive about the experience is the 4 weeks in Colorado I was taught by two guys who were exceptional in being able to teach and for being very knowledgeable. This however was not worth the alomost $10,000 I spent. I have not had ONE interview set up by Elite MEd. I have had two interviews that I got through LinkedIN and when asking the guys who interviewed me if they had talked to Elite Med or if they had seen my profile on their website etc, they said my interview had nothing to do with Elite Med and the only positive response I received from both interviews about the entire MSC experience was they were impressed that I spent almost $10,000.00 toward getting into medical sales. I am still waiting to hear from them this was just a little while ago that I had the interviews. Also, the primary thing that bothered me to begin with is that while I was in Colorado I found out that the recruiters that I dealt with initially worked in total separate offices and separate floor from the recruiters I dealt with as I graduated from their program. I found out that the recruiters who post all these job opportunities, or at least the ones who were recruiting me to begin with are strictly recruiting for new students to go to MSC. I saw this with my own eyes and heard with my own ears. On a break during a class while in Colorado I wondered into the hallway next to the class room and there were offices on each side of the hallway. The doors were open and within a 15 minute break I heard 3 different recruiters make at least 3-4 phone calls where they had brief conversations with people telling them they had great backgrounds but needed to attend the MSC program so they would have the experience they needed. I was also told during my initial recruiting that they MSC had hiring managers from several companies that routinely visit the school for recruiting new prospects. Well, in my 4 weeks we had one guy come in and talk to us for a few minutes and since nobody had heard the name of his "company" before and asked him about the "company" we learned he was a local distributer and only hired people to work strictly commission. I can also attest that I personally know that some of the people they have listed on their site as successful placements were in my class who I still keep contact with who found their jobs with no help from Elite Med and didn't like when they learned that Elite listed them as to take credit. The way they keep up with you is they assign you a "recruiter" for your area that is sitting in an office in Colorado and sends emails once every few weeks to see if you have found a job yet. If you tell them you have and tell them for who then they list you on their site and take credit for the placement. I have been contacted several times by my "recruiter" but not once have they told me they had a possible interview, they only ask if I have had any luck! One reason the students who have been listed but received no help from Elite will not speak out against them due to fear of being Blackballed within the medical sales industry by people from Elite/MSC. I could write many more facts about them and will if anyone requests additional info.
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Interesting post. As I have said, I will W2 this year at $175,000 in medical device and never had to take these classes. I got into medical device after selling fucking copiers for crying out loud. I have been in 5 years.
Sales is not this hard people, you ask a bunch of questions to understand their needs, tie your features and benefits to those needs and ASK FOR THE BUSINESS.
My buddy got into medical device after selling phone systems. He interviewed well, got two years of experience in a small company and moved on to the big bucks.
This sort of reminds of the kids who took SAT prep courses thinking it was a guaranteed way to get their score up to Ivy-League levels. It normally didn't work out that way. As someone who did EXCEPTIONALLY TERRIBLE on the SAT (I can say that now because my income, and combined household income, makes me laugh at those high school days), those that scored 1400s+ did it out out of sheer talent on how to take that test. One guy I knew got a 1500 and never picked up a book to study for it.
If I were a hiring manager, all I would care about is 1) can you do the job well and 2) can you run on auto-pilot so I can do my job without babysitting you.
Interesting post. As I have said, I will W2 this year at $175,000 in medical device and never had to take these classes. I got into medical device after selling fucking copiers for crying out loud. I have been in 5 years.
Sales is not this hard people, you ask a bunch of questions to understand their needs, tie your features and benefits to those needs and ASK FOR THE BUSINESS.
My buddy got into medical device after selling phone systems. He interviewed well, got two years of experience in a small company and moved on to the big bucks.
This sort of reminds of the kids who took SAT prep courses thinking it was a guaranteed way to get their score up to Ivy-League levels. It normally didn't work out that way. As someone who did EXCEPTIONALLY TERRIBLE on the SAT (I can say that now because my income, and combined household income, makes me laugh at those high school days), those that scored 1400s+ did it out out of sheer talent on how to take that test. One guy I knew got a 1500 and never picked up a book to study for it.
If I were a hiring manager, all I would care about is 1) can you do the job well and 2) can you run on auto-pilot so I can do my job without babysitting you.
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I was wondering about all those job postings on CareerBuilder. Your story must be an isolated incident considering there are so many positive testimonials on their FaceBook page. Paying for a class and going through it doesn't guarantee you success as a sales rep. Maybe the school didn't have any faith in you hence their lack of assistance? Sorry to be so harsh but maybe it's you?
I was wondering about all those job postings on CareerBuilder. Your story must be an isolated incident considering there are so many positive testimonials on their FaceBook page. Paying for a class and going through it doesn't guarantee you success as a sales rep. Maybe the school didn't have any faith in you hence their lack of assistance? Sorry to be so harsh but maybe it's you?
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Let's put it this way. Device looks for a certain type of person and you absolutely have to have some B2B sales background with success. If you do not have a medical background as well, the college might help but frankly I think these people would have found the jobs anyway. The certification just gave them an edge in a very competitive market. Do you really think they are going to keep negative posts on their FB page? Come on. Plus, anyone can create a fake profile and post. You do not know that all the people are real. Just b/c they have a photo and a story does not make them real. I am very doubtful about this type of investment. Device jobs are brutal anyway.
Let's put it this way. Device looks for a certain type of person and you absolutely have to have some B2B sales background with success. If you do not have a medical background as well, the college might help but frankly I think these people would have found the jobs anyway. The certification just gave them an edge in a very competitive market. Do you really think they are going to keep negative posts on their FB page? Come on. Plus, anyone can create a fake profile and post. You do not know that all the people are real. Just b/c they have a photo and a story does not make them real. I am very doubtful about this type of investment. Device jobs are brutal anyway.
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There has to be better ways to make money than device sales.
There are so many people in device that hate their jobs, but the money is so good and they are living a high lifestyle, so they bear it.
There has to be better ways to make money than device sales.
There are so many people in device that hate their jobs, but the money is so good and they are living a high lifestyle, so they bear it.
My name is Becker Sams and was recently contacted by someone via Linkedin asking me about the Medical Sales College. Upon speaking with him, he quickly let me know about this site, and what is being posted about MSC. As a busy orthopedic device rep, I don’t have time to spend reading blogs such as this, however I was interested in what was being written, and to say the least, I am appalled.
I am a former graduate of the Medical Sales College who upon graduation was interviewed by numerous companies and quickly hired by a top orthopedic company. I have personally recommended the Medical Sales College to individuals who have gone on to have successful careers in medical device sales. I know first-hand how well their programs prepare you to enter this field. It even appears the anonymous author of this post agrees the instructors were “exceptional” in their teachings. In fact, my former company feels so strongly about the instruction at MSC they would send their existing sales reps to the Medical Sales College for continued training. So the question arises, if the educational platform was so well executed why are you having trouble getting a job?
I believe the Medical Sales College is a lot like College and/or Grad School. Just because you earn a degree in Engineering, for example, does not guarantee you a job as an engineer. That is not how things work. You have to work hard after graduating to pursue your dream job. The college you graduate from cannot get you a job interview, they cannot go to the interview for you, they cannot ask for the job for you…. That is all up to you! If you plan on waiting for job to come to you, it may be a long wait. Just like sales, you have to get out there, market yourself, network and work hard to land your ideal job. I can tell you from personal experience, that I would never in a million years be where I am today without the Medical Sales College.
I invite anyone that is interested in the Medical Sales College and has questions about the ridiculous, negative posts to please contact me with any questions you may have. The best way is through email, bbsams@gmail.com or via cell 601-594-1010.
I am a former graduate of the Medical Sales College who upon graduation was interviewed by numerous companies and quickly hired by a top orthopedic company. I have personally recommended the Medical Sales College to individuals who have gone on to have successful careers in medical device sales. I know first-hand how well their programs prepare you to enter this field. It even appears the anonymous author of this post agrees the instructors were “exceptional” in their teachings. In fact, my former company feels so strongly about the instruction at MSC they would send their existing sales reps to the Medical Sales College for continued training. So the question arises, if the educational platform was so well executed why are you having trouble getting a job?
I believe the Medical Sales College is a lot like College and/or Grad School. Just because you earn a degree in Engineering, for example, does not guarantee you a job as an engineer. That is not how things work. You have to work hard after graduating to pursue your dream job. The college you graduate from cannot get you a job interview, they cannot go to the interview for you, they cannot ask for the job for you…. That is all up to you! If you plan on waiting for job to come to you, it may be a long wait. Just like sales, you have to get out there, market yourself, network and work hard to land your ideal job. I can tell you from personal experience, that I would never in a million years be where I am today without the Medical Sales College.
I invite anyone that is interested in the Medical Sales College and has questions about the ridiculous, negative posts to please contact me with any questions you may have. The best way is through email, bbsams@gmail.com or via cell 601-594-1010.
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but isn't there a rigorous screening process?
what about the recruiter feeling that they could be placed prior to even completing MSC?
the incident isn't isolated. While I landed on my feet (no thanks to Rogers et al), it happened to me too
but isn't there a rigorous screening process?
what about the recruiter feeling that they could be placed prior to even completing MSC?
the incident isn't isolated. While I landed on my feet (no thanks to Rogers et al), it happened to me too
Oh, for crying out loud, this post is a scam and the person bumps it repeatedly, especially now, to get people to sign up. The industry is dying - do not bother going to this "school" to get in. Go to a REAL school and spend your money on a REAL tech degree or master's.
What about the media manager, Shannon Marshall? Shouldn't she be addressing the dissenters?
She's probably no longer with AIMS/MSC
She's probably no longer with AIMS/MSC
The medical device industry is not dying. That is a cop out blanket statement that people make to look like they know something that the rest of us don't.
Cry babies talk about Obamacare ruining it, etc etc. The bottomline is that somebody needs to sell these devices. I work for a very large multinational device company and we have many reps selling my product in socialized medicine countries. They make as much as I do. And they have for years. My job is fine. In fact we have to few reps. right now. We could use a few more.
If Wall Street truly thought that medical devices were bad companies to invest it, the stocks would have started tanking 3 years when Obamacare was passed. The pundits would be saying to dump these stocks. The haven't. In fact it is still a growth industry and with new technology coming out, it isn't a bad industry to be in.
Doom and gloom. Lame.
What you say is partially true, but I know a number of doctors that have outright said they do not need a device rep calling on them every month when the product is older. They know how to use it. While some of the device companies are doing quite well and clearly need reps out there, many have too many reps and could downsize and probably will in the near future. There will always be a place for the medical/device/pharma rep. My point was they do NOT need this stupid certification. Many of the best device companies prefer just good business/capital sales backgrounds. Others want a scientific or technical degree such as a radiology tech/cath tech.
This whole medical sales college thing is as dumb as anyone thinking a new degree such as MPH or MHcA or MScra will get them into an administrative postion at their local hospital if they do not have a strong background ALREADY in healthcare such as having been a nurse. The person who started this thread is the same one who works for the "college" and he/she keeps bumping the thread to bolster recruitment. If someone has 10k to spend on education, they are far better off getting a REAL degree. Neither, however, will ever help a non-salesperson break into medical sales. There are no shortcuts to a career and this is just an expensive shortcut.
Aren't outside sales reps going to be eventually replaced by national account managers who secure contracts and cheaper field-based clinical specialists who do the pre and post sales demos/training/cases?
There is no way this "college" is legit. Seriously, check out this obvious MSC entry (they are always the same... you know, formulaic):
1) An unverifiable name.
2) Allegedly an MSC graduate.
3) Allegedly found a medical sales job because of MSC.
4) A disclaimer that colleges can't promise jobs after graduation (FYI, it's illegal for schools to do so... so MSC simply verbally implies it.)
5) An invitation for potential victims to contact an email address and/or phone number.
LOL.