Medical Sales College. Is it for Real?

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If you are considering attending Medical Sales College (MSC), ask yourself:

1) Why did you get a call from MSC?
The answer, of course, is because you answered a medical sales job advertisement posted by EliteMed. The EliteMed rep probably told you that your resume looks promising, and that someone in your local area will call you about opportunities.

2) Why did the EliteMed recruiter send a followup email after your initial call?
To plant a seed about MSC, of course. Every good salesperson plants seeds.

3) Why did the "local" EliteMed recruiter say that your chances of getting a medical sales position would increase by 2250% if you obtain a MSC certificate?
To sell you MSC, obviously. That’s how they get paid! Don’t be fooled when the recruiter says they make $2,000 per placement from hiring companies. That only refers to EXPERIENCED reps who are STILL employed by a medical device company.

4) What happened to the local "job" you originally forwarded your resume for?
It probably NEVER EXISTED. The only reason EliteMed posted the "position" is to phish for your info. They wanted your resume so they could pitch you MSC.

5) Did you feel pressured by EliteMed into taking the MSC program?
Of course!!! These recruiters are really high pressure sales people trying to make money off job seekers. Traditional recruiters NEVER make money from jobseekers, only wealthy companies.

6) Why does MSC list tons of percentages and testimonials, but not the cost of their program?
Because they try to sell MSC’s "value" by obscuring the facts. They will tell you how great your life will be as a medical sales rep, and that an “investment” in yourself is justified.

7) Do legitimate colleges recruit students in this manner?
What do you think? Of course not.

8) If MSC really works, then why don’t EliteMed recruiters simply take the course and become medical sales reps?
Because MSC does NOT WORK for MOST PEOPLE. Keep in mind, EliteMed recruiters don’t make as much money as average medical sales reps, so clearly they would make the switch if they could.

Protect yourself. Before you "invest" read this:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/college...ales/elite-medical-sales-recruiting-13c3e.htm
 








Anonymous said:
It appears that many have an opinion on here. Call it like it is, motivated opinions...

...It wouldn't surprise me to see all the companies eventually using this service.
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LOL. No, I'm not Tim B. I'll prove it by saying that I wouldn't use any recruiters, including traditional ones. I'm simply a guy you tried to rip off.

Nice try Jim or Scott. You are so obvious with your defenses of EliteMed-MSC.
 








Anonymous said:
It appears that many have an opinion on here. Call it like it is, motivated opinions.

I recently was lead to this site from a conversation between two recruiters and several former students (MSC) on a Linkedin group discussion. It was a heated discussion in which a recruiter named Tim B. was arguing his point in a very unprofessional manner. It was obvious in reading the conversations that he similar to others in the recruitment business find both the Medical Sales College and Eltie Recruiting to be a massive threat to their businesses. As an outsider (non-sales), I actually found the discussion entertaining. But my god, that was all before stumbling to this site. I have never seen a more self-serving exchange of misleading and false information generated in protection of a business or an opinion. Any individual that believes information pro or con has any sense of accuracy on Cafepharma without a source is absurd.

Now, this is just my opinion like others but here are my conclusions to the many discussions. The multiple negative posts towards the people, who attend the Medical Sales College or the college itself, are identical in nature on Linkedin and the Rip Off Report. In my opinion, the large majority of this is most likely being authored by this Tim B. recruiter. The language, arguments and most important “potential loss of business” are easily a reason for his comments.

I am not a recruiter but reading through the conversation produced with all identities revealed (Linkedin), it doesn’t take long to see the motivations for a recruiter. My background is regulatory in the med device industry. Trust me, we have our own problems too! I believe that the recruitment industry in the device world is most likely facing a “slow death”. Those in the device business are well informed on the impending 2.3% tax against device manufactures. Our company has already reacted via downsizing in several departments. No doubt all device manufactures will soon follow suit. One area that can easily be reduced is the costs associated with recruitment. I am not sure the costs associated currently, but I know in the past it was common to pay more than $10,000 for recruitment services. In regulatory, we have now completely eliminated use of recruiters. Cost being the major deterrent. I guarantee you that if we could hire trained, regulatory entry-level associates with no-fee, we would in a heartbeat.

I do not have any personal experience with the Medical Sales College graduates. I do know that our company has hired from/through them. It makes 100% logical sense of why our company would. Eliminate costs!

As to the substantiated facts surrounding the hundreds of posts, the only credible evidence in support of or against is from the people posting about the Medical Sales College. Profiles, names, social sites containing real information are accurate.

If I was a hiring sales manager, I would much rather have a sales background along with training at a $0 cost than to pay a recruiter for the identical person with no training and pay $10,000.

It wouldn't surprise me to see all the companies eventually using this service.
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Great comment! I couldn't agree more with you.
 
















Anonymous said:
If you are considering attending Medical Sales College (MSC), ask yourself:

1) Why did you get a call from MSC?
The answer, of course, is because you answered a medical sales job advertisement posted by EliteMed. The EliteMed rep probably told you that your resume looks promising, and that someone in your local area will call you about opportunities.

2) Why did the EliteMed recruiter send a followup email after your initial call?
To plant a seed about MSC, of course. Every good salesperson plants seeds.

3) Why did the "local" EliteMed recruiter say that your chances of getting a medical sales position would increase by 2250% if you obtain a MSC certificate?
To sell you MSC, obviously. That’s how they get paid! Don’t be fooled when the recruiter says they make $2,000 per placement from hiring companies. That only refers to EXPERIENCED reps who are STILL employed by a medical device company.

4) What happened to the local "job" you originally forwarded your resume for?
It probably NEVER EXISTED. The only reason EliteMed posted the "position" is to phish for your info. They wanted your resume so they could pitch you MSC.

5) Did you feel pressured by EliteMed into taking the MSC program?
Of course!!! These recruiters are really high pressure sales people trying to make money off job seekers. Traditional recruiters NEVER make money from jobseekers, only wealthy companies.

6) Why does MSC list tons of percentages and testimonials, but not the cost of their program?
Because they try to sell MSC’s "value" by obscuring the facts. They will tell you how great your life will be as a medical sales rep, and that an “investment” in yourself is justified.

7) Do legitimate colleges recruit students in this manner?
What do you think? Of course not.

8) If MSC really works, then why don’t EliteMed recruiters simply take the course and become medical sales reps?
Because MSC does NOT WORK for MOST PEOPLE. Keep in mind, EliteMed recruiters don’t make as much money as average medical sales reps, so clearly they would make the switch if they could.

Protect yourself. Before you "invest" read this:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/college...ales/elite-medical-sales-recruiting-13c3e.htm
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Great comment! I couldn't agree with you more.
 








Anonymous said:
Just another three more testimonials yesterday.

16 placements in the last couple days and now this!!!!!

Wow, they are good at all of this fake stuff! lol......

MSC ROCKS!!


March 5, 2012 2:20 pm
From: Kyle Fraser, Zimmer

My name is Kyle Fraser and about a year ago I decided I wanted to get into medical device sales. After several months of applying for jobs with no results, or even interviews, I decided to take the next step and enroll at the Medical Sales College. At first I was a little skeptical of the program and the doors that it might open for me. As a matter of fact, I almost blew them off when they contacted me because it seemed too good to be true! I’m extremely glad now that I didn’t. After talking to several people in the admissions department, I decided to enroll. In November of 2011, I completed the Spine Program. A few short weeks after, and even during the program, I was interviewing with several companies. These are BIG companies that would never even look at my resume prior to the program. I now work for Zimmer Spine in Montana. The program will help make you a legitimate candidate for a job in medical sales and, more importantly, help you succeed in the industry. The Medical Sales College is an investment in your future, and truly IS a way to get into the industry. Kyle F

March 5, 2012 2:19 pm
From: Cory Harrington, Bone Bank Allog

Hi, this is Cory Harrington from the January 2012 Orthopaedic Reconstruction & Trauma class with Medical Sales College and I want to personally endorse the professionalism and effectiveness of EliteMed Recruiting. Both my recruiter, Justin Thompson, and the President of the company, Scott Binder, and my instructor of training at MSC, Scott Boswell, had been instrumental in assisting me to find a highly sought after position with Bone Bank Allograft, a world-class biotechnology company in my hometown. The training expense and time required to complete the course is significant and, as an entrepreneur by training and experience, I was cautious about entering into an agreement with MSC and EMR. Everything I learned about the school and the recruiting (both good and bad) had led me to decide to take a calculated risk and invest in them. I am very happy that I decided to move forward. I highly recommend Medical Sales College and EliteMed Recruiting if you are a motivated sales professional who wants to enter into medical device or biologics sales. You will be making a wise decision. Cory H.

March 5, 2012 2:18 pm
From: Kirk Papastravrou, Marathon Medi

I owe my recent hiring with Marathon Medical to MSC and EliteMed. The training I received at MSC with Mark and the other trainers was crucial in building a foundation in medical sales and Angie from EliteMed was awesome in getting me in front of the right people. 30 days... I owe it to MSC and Elite! Kirk P.


Keeping with the theme, congrats and enjoy your new careers.... I will be with you soon!
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Guess it only works for those that are committed to getting into medical sales and succeeding.

Interesting on how this Tim - A.K.A Steve or whomever tries to change the subject on another 16 fellow classmates joining the other 400 or 500 or.... in medical sales

He always likes his "ripoff report" about tactics to get students? Is it that you couldn't get another position selling DME after sucking in the industry now pissed that us grads are taking your jobs?

You didn't even attend MSC.
 








Anonymous said:
If you are considering attending Medical Sales College (MSC), ask yourself:

1) Why did you get a call from MSC?
The answer, of course, is because you answered a medical sales job advertisement posted by EliteMed. The EliteMed rep probably told you that your resume looks promising, and that someone in your local area will call you about opportunities.

2) Why did the EliteMed recruiter send a followup email after your initial call?
To plant a seed about MSC, of course. Every good salesperson plants seeds.

3) Why did the "local" EliteMed recruiter say that your chances of getting a medical sales position would increase by 2250% if you obtain a MSC certificate?
To sell you MSC, obviously. That’s how they get paid! Don’t be fooled when the recruiter says they make $2,000 per placement from hiring companies. That only refers to EXPERIENCED reps who are STILL employed by a medical device company.

4) What happened to the local "job" you originally forwarded your resume for?
It probably NEVER EXISTED. The only reason EliteMed posted the "position" is to phish for your info. They wanted your resume so they could pitch you MSC.

5) Did you feel pressured by EliteMed into taking the MSC program?
Of course!!! These recruiters are really high pressure sales people trying to make money off job seekers. Traditional recruiters NEVER make money from jobseekers, only wealthy companies.

6) Why does MSC list tons of percentages and testimonials, but not the cost of their program?
Because they try to sell MSC’s "value" by obscuring the facts. They will tell you how great your life will be as a medical sales rep, and that an “investment” in yourself is justified.

7) Do legitimate colleges recruit students in this manner?
What do you think? Of course not.

8) If MSC really works, then why don’t EliteMed recruiters simply take the course and become medical sales reps?
Because MSC does NOT WORK for MOST PEOPLE. Keep in mind, EliteMed recruiters don’t make as much money as average medical sales reps, so clearly they would make the switch if they could.

Protect yourself. Before you "invest" read this:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/college...ales/elite-medical-sales-recruiting-13c3e.htm
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I 100% agree with this.
 








To the idiot who obsessively posts on every thread all day long the same message and answers his own posts....

"what you've said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considerd a rational thought. Everyone in this chat room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. "
 








Anonymous said:
To the idiot who obsessively posts on every thread all day long the same message and answers his own posts....

"what you've said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considerd a rational thought. Everyone in this chat room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. "
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must be losing business to ripoff report guy
 








Anonymous said:
must be losing business to ripoff report guy
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They had 16 placements of graduates just the last couple days. All verified.

They received numerous testimonials just in the last couple days. All verified.


You say they rip off people and have posted multiple entires just today. You say that they tried to get you to enroll and you are the "consumer advocate" for others.

If you didn't attend, that would indicate you lost nothing. Since the most recent 16 placements attended, that would indicate they received jobs. Therefore, who got ripped off? Recruiters from expensive recruitment fees? You don't see those 16 complaining. Aren't they the ones that spent the money? They are writing testimonials.

Really that is all you need to know about this.

I can see why former/current students are calling you out.
 








Anonymous said:
They had 16 placements of graduates just the last couple days. All verified.

They received numerous testimonials just in the last couple days. All verified.


You say they rip off people and have posted multiple entires just today. You say that they tried to get you to enroll and you are the "consumer advocate" for others.

If you didn't attend, that would indicate you lost nothing. Since the most recent 16 placements attended, that would indicate they received jobs. Therefore, who got ripped off? Recruiters from expensive recruitment fees? You don't see those 16 complaining. Aren't they the ones that spent the money? They are writing testimonials.

Really that is all you need to know about this.

I can see why former/current students are calling you out.
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You continue to avoid this very specific, but simple question:

What percentage of every student Jim Rogers has ever collected money from was found a job by Jim Roger's recruiting arm?

We need to see the answer and calculations posted on MSC's website. If you don't answer this, it will prove your 81% claim is intentionally inaccurate.
 








EliteMed-MSC claims to have recently placed 16 people. Several questions immediately come to mind:

1) Who placed these people, EliteMed, MSC, themselves, or a combination? (Yes, it matters.)

2) Who hired these people, medical device companies, distributorships or a combination? (This also matters.)

3) How many grads didn't get placed? (I'm sure it is a lot more than 16.)

4) Were all 16 MSC grads? (I'm guessing yes, since these folks push MSC to everyone.)
 








Above poster, even if what you say is true, I doubt that they will have their jobs for long. They should take that money and invest in getting a masters degree in another field.
 
















Anonymous said:
http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/what-is-a-masters-degree-worth/

Apparently, not everyone agrees with you that master's degrees are worth much. They don't provide much return on value for the money you put in. I bet a master's degree at even a decent college is A LOT more than the tuition at MSC, just saying. Be smart with your money.
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There's no ROI with a Medical Sales College (MSC) degree for most of their students, i.e., those who never break into medical sales as inherently promised by EliteMed recruiters. (Yes, they were promised jobs, otherwise why would jobseekers invest approximately $10,000 for an interview?) They are simply stuck with a worthless degree. A masters, at least, can be used for other jobs, or toward a Ph.D.

Of course, just the way MSC is hard sold to desperate people says a lot about their lack of ethics. The fact that they regularly pretend to be unaffiliated defenders of the program says even more.
 








Anonymous said:
There's no ROI with a Medical Sales College (MSC) degree for most of their students, i.e., those who never break into medical sales as inherently promised by EliteMed recruiters. (Yes, they were promised jobs, otherwise why would jobseekers invest approximately $10,000 for an interview?) They are simply stuck with a worthless degree. A masters, at least, can be used for other jobs, or toward a Ph.D.

Of course, just the way MSC is hard sold to desperate people says a lot about their lack of ethics. The fact that they regularly pretend to be unaffiliated defenders of the program says even more.
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It's not a question of ROI, pal. It's a zero sum game, somebody wins, somebody loses. Money itself isn't lost or made, it's simply transferred from one perception to another.
 








MSC Certificate vs. Masters Degree-- a False ROI Argument

Medical Sales College (MSC) will probably continue to tell prospective students that the return on investment (ROI) from a MSC certificate exceeds that of most masters degrees.

Questions that immediately come to mind are:

1) How did they calculate this claim? (They didn't, of course. It's just another unverifiable MSC assertion.)

2) Can I transfer credits from a MSC certificate towards a masters or Ph.d? (No, since MSC is a non-accredited, for-profit school.)

3) Can a MSC certificate be used for other jobs? (MBAs can be used for many other positions including medical and pharmaceutical sales, but a MSC certificate is specific to medical sales.)

4) Why doe EliteMed-MSC keep using unverifiable claims? (You be the judge on this one.)
 








Anonymous said:
http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/what-is-a-masters-degree-worth/

Apparently, not everyone agrees with you that master's degrees are worth much. They don't provide much return on value for the money you put in. I bet a master's degree at even a decent college is A LOT more than the tuition at MSC, just saying. Be smart with your money.
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Yes, a masters degree in philosophy will probably not land you a well paying job. However, masters in PA, PT, OT, NP are quite valuable and great ROI. When I went to PA school I took out student loans and didn't work. I was able to pay back the entire loan after I started working my first year. I found work quickly, even as a newbie and got a good contract. Probably, a masters in PA these days would cost ~ $20,000. Student loans have a very low interest rate and you can take your time paying them off. Most PAs make 6 figures. It depends on what specialty, and some make more than physicians. I think I was pretty darn smart with my money.
 
























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