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AF is a complete Jack A--
To Anyone wanting to join ETHICON Biosurgery. If this guy is in your chain of command, RUN. He cares about nothing but himself. Hit the number on or off label, AF doesn't care. If you are already at biosurgery and AF is talking in circles and making no sense, then he is getting ready to fire you. Takes the term crappy leader to a whole new level.
Highly recomd you stay away from him.
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He is no different than the typical leadership at J&J. All anyone cares about is themselves. This is the culture at Ethicon and J&J as a whole. Work on your pet project and climb on whoever gets in your way. This is how you make it at J&J.
 




Anonymous said:
AF is a complete Jack A--
To Anyone wanting to join ETHICON Biosurgery. If this guy is in your chain of command, RUN. He cares about nothing but himself. Hit the number on or off label, AF doesn't care. If you are already at biosurgery and AF is talking in circles and making no sense, then he is getting ready to fire you. Takes the term crappy leader to a whole new level.
Highly recomd you stay away from him.
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By AF I am assuming you mean Andre Fisher. If so I couldn't agree more. I have seen bad leaders but he is a whole new level. His claim to fame is Florida. Funny thing is no one down there has ever heard of him. The reps ran the area and kept him out.
Now he's a director?!? He is an idiot who is way over his head. The talking in circles is so true. We call them Andreisms (AKA. Make shit up to try and make people think you know something.
He is the worst I have ever seen. Classic example of the Peter Principle...
 




Anonymous said:
By AF I am assuming you mean Andre Fisher. If so I couldn't agree more. I have seen bad leaders but he is a whole new level. His claim to fame is Florida. Funny thing is no one down there has ever heard of him. The reps ran the area and kept him out.
Now he's a director?!? He is an idiot who is way over his head. The talking in circles is so true. We call them Andreisms (AKA. Make shit up to try and make people think you know something.
He is the worst I have ever seen. Classic example of the Peter Principle...
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My manager does the exact same thing. He makes shit up and uses overused phrases like "big picture" "transparent" "best practices" and "collaboration". He just talks to hear himself speak and whoever kisses his ass the most wins. Horrible culture.
 




















Well Mr. AF, you have missed your number again for a 4th consecutive qtr. If you hold yourself to the same level you hold everyone else, its about time to put you on plan.....

Worst leader I have ever seen. Fear and Intimidation went out in the 1950s
 








i seriously doubt anyone would be stupid enough to be expensing these gift cards. this is out of pocket money and off the books to try to advance the reps relationships with the account. illegal nonetheless but real hard to prove without a customer whistleblower. and why would a nurse want to lose any chance of getting her $100 gift card by blowing a whistle
 




WHAT A JOKE THESE PRODUCTS ARE AND THE REPS!!! BAXTER HAS THE MARKET SHARE AND ALWAYS WILL... ALL THESE REPS DO IS BUY LUNCHES FOR DOCS AND TRY TO WEASLE THERE WAY IN ACcOUNTS AND HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE EFF THE ARE DOING!! WHAT AJOKE
SUGIFLOW< EVICELL < THEY ALL SUCK AND ALWAYS ON BACKORDER
 




Anonymous said:
WHAT A JOKE THESE PRODUCTS ARE AND THE REPS!!! BAXTER HAS THE MARKET SHARE AND ALWAYS WILL... ALL THESE REPS DO IS BUY LUNCHES FOR DOCS AND TRY TO WEASLE THERE WAY IN ACcOUNTS AND HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE EFF THE ARE DOING!! WHAT AJOKE
SUGIFLOW< EVICELL < THEY ALL SUCK AND ALWAYS ON BACKORDER
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Ha. Sounds like a new group of Baxter reps just got out of training. Go get 'em tiger, your toilet paper is more plush than ours. Your cotton balls have much better "value" than ours as well. Your (enter any strictly commodity based product here) is so much better. Go Baxter Go!!!!!!
 




All of the people complaining about their job at Ethicon Biosurgery- LEAVE- why are you still here complaining?? The GOOD people still here are here because this is a great company and great Career- every company has their tough times, if you are a strong rep you will last through it. As far as Baxter is concerned- our products ARE better and so are our Reps. Quit talking crap and go do your job and maybe you wouldnt be losing so much business to Ethicon.
 




I would correct you in saying the "GOOD" people are still here. More like the "yes people" or "kiss ass" people, or "ones who cannot think for themselves" are still working here. Why else would there be 75%+ turnover? I was in shock in Puerto Rico how many new faces I saw. And I would have to say that the majority of GOOD people were fired. I am only still here because I work 10 hours a week and spend the rest of my time on the golf course. This place blows and mgt blows even harder... just look at AF and JW. Those two are the most awful mgrs I have ever come across in my 20+ year career at JNJ.

If you are interviewing, run. If your team has seen 1-2 ppl quit or fired, then watch out cause you will be next. they had out PIP's here like candy
 








Reach out to your friends at other device companies and see if they are hiring in that persons area. While you are at it, see if they are expanding in your territory. You'll be doing yourself a favor as well.

Once they are pip'd up, they're already the divison scapegoat that your manager is using to explain the divisions failure to your Regional. They will soon be gone. The pips are soley about giving the division manager time to try to obtain the reps true targets and contacts (not the bs we all enter in optimizer). This is all done under the premise of trying to help. 6 months or so after they are gone, another rep in the division will get a pip or get threated with a pip as they will be the new reason the DM can't deliver. It's a great business model and a core "off the books" management tatic.

Ive been here a while and see this all the time. Keep your profile low, hit your numbers by just enough, and you personally will be fine. Your friend however is on the sh1+ list and will be under a microscope until they leave.
 




I am a newer rep, and while things have been tough, it is certainly picking up. One thing I have noticed is that Baxter reps in my territory usually look like they have been on 48 hour benders, dragging-ass with eye-bags and 3-day scruff through the OR. They cannot sell on clinical value, rather they sell only on price, price, price. Is there a big difference in Floseal and Surgiflo? Not really, but IMO, Tisseel SUCKS compared to Evicel (prep time, clot strength, etc). Baxter is trying to come up with an equivalent to Surgicel, but it isn't happening for a bit, and that piss-yellow product won't make much of a dent due to poor quality.

Want to be successful? Don't just be a sales rep, instead listen and understand what that surgical team needs/wants, and identify a potential fit. If there isn't a fit, move on to another team/surgeon, and stay in correspondence with the team that does not need anything.

And whatever you do, take a shower and get some sleep (don't be like a Baxter rep).
 




Thanks for posting on two threads about the sane topic. You seem very happy to have made it out of pharma sales. So your Baxter rep didn't shave the one day you saw him, so you are automatically a better rep than him. No. Evicel isn't better. It's the same. If any thing it has less of an indication than tisseel. Sales training can pump you up about factor 13 and how strong your new toy is. The FDA says tisseal SEALS colostomy closures.....your box says sealant, there's a difference.

The best thing you have going for you us that you can fill up your lawn mower and not mess up your GE fleet gas card tracking. You sell huggies vs pampers and no one cares but you.
 




That obviously is a rep sipping the JnJ kool aid. Wow, you clearly have no idea how bad our business has been comatisized by Baxter, Pfizer and most of all by us. Just because a Baxter rep hasn't shaved and looks like he was on a bender is most likely due to the fact that he was recovering from a night of partying with you Neuro residents and securing his business. Please just keep doing yourself a favor and wear that short skirt and tight shirt and you will continue to do just fine.
 




"Thanks for posting on two threads about the sane topic."

So trying to insure that a point is received on TWO DIFFERENT threads is in need of incorrectly spelled, sarcastic gratitude? Brilliant.

"You seem very happy to have made it out of pharma sales."

And this Einstein-like logic that all reps come from Pharma is based on what, exactly? Please elaborate.

"So your Baxter rep didn't shave the one day you saw him, so you are automatically a better rep than him."

Never said I was better; I suggest an English comprehension course at some point. Appearance, however is somewhat important, especially when the staff of the OR is consistently mocking and/or making fun of that particular rep.

"No. Evicel isn't better. It's the same. If any thing it has less of an indication than tisseel."

So one having Aprotinin and being a PITA to prep is the same thing? Again, brilliant. SMH.

"Sales training can pump you up about factor 13 and how strong your new toy is. The FDA says tisseal SEALS colostomy closures.....your box says sealant, there's a difference."

Honestly not concerned about what the box says as I have rarely said Fibrin Sealant in my description of Evicel. Colostomy closures? Wow, impressive, I am glad you seem to hinge your business, and STRONG attributes of Tisseel, on one procedure/methodology.


"The best thing you have going for you us that you can fill up your lawn mower and not mess up your GE fleet gas card tracking. You sell huggies vs pampers and no one cares but you."

Lawnmower? So an Equinox is a lawnmower? Interesting. Didn't know you all were rocking H1 Hummers as company cars. Huggies versus pampers? Look, I do actually enjoy bantering here sometime, but dude, you gotta come with something that even comes close to resembling funny.
 




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