CYMBALTA-- the new oxycontin??

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Anonymous said:
OP HERE:
I see this everyday in real life conceerning Cymbalta and not in a make beleive detail type things you guys do at your meetings. This is the truth from the real world and not your training sessions."

WHAT "REAL WORLD" ARE YOU IN? I WAS A BIO MAJOR AND A LCSW BEFORE JOINING LILLY AND LIVED THE TRUE "PSYCH" REAL WORLD. YOU, ON THE OTHER HAND, APPEAR TO BE ONE OF THE MANY PHARMACISTS I USED TO WORK WITH, THE KIND WITH SOMETHING TO PROVE BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T GET INTO MED SCHOOL!

YOU'RE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR PAPER SCIENCE (NOT EVEN REAL SCIENCE BECAUSE YOU DON'T MAKE YOUR OWN MEDICATIONS, YOU JUST COUNT THEM AND PUT THEM INTO A BOTTLE) - BUT YOU PREFER THIS BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE - WELL, PEOPLE ARE WHO MEDICATIONS TREAT! PEOPLE HAVE VERY REAL PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS AND NEED HELP.

THE FACT THAT YOU CAN THINK SO HIGHLY OF EFFEXOR AND AT THE SAME TIME BASH CYMBALTA PROVES THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND PEOPLE OR REAL SCIENCE. HOW MANY PATIENTS HAVE SEEN ON EFFEXOR WITH HYPERTENSION? IF YOU HAVEN'T, THEN YOU'RE DEFINITELY NOT IN THE "REAL WORLD"! BOTH ARE GREAT MEDICATIONS THAT HELP PEOPLE WHO NEED THEM TO STAY ALIVE (THAT IS, NOT KILL THEMSELVES - DO YOU GET THIS PART?).

AND AS FOR YOUR COMMENT ON OXYCONTIN: DESPITE HOW THEY PROMOTED IT, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW IT HELPS PEOPLE? MY GRANDMOTHER WAS IN SO MUCH PAIN WITH HER BONE CANCER THAT SHE WAS ALMOST DELIRIOUS. DESPITE REALLY SCARY VISUAL HALLUCINATIONS FROM HER MORPHINE (FROM THE GLUCARONIDE METABOLITES - YES, I DO KNOW MY BIO-CHEM AND CAN DO RESEARCH ON THESE MEDS TOO), HER DOCTOR WAS STILL "AFRAID" OF ADDICTION IN A DYING OLD WOMAN! AFTER DEMANDING THAT HE DO MORE, HE FINALLY GAVE IN PRESCRIBED HER OXYCONTIN AND IT GAVE HER TREMENDOUS RELIEF WITHOUT THE AWFUL SIDE EFFECTS. THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT MORPHINE IS "EVIL" - IT JUST DIDN'T WORK AS WELL FOR MY GRANDMOTHER.

MY LAST COMMENT TO YOU" LOVE PEOPLE MORE THAN YOUR OWN EGO AND YOU WON'T BE BASHING ANY PRODUCT.
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I have absolutly no idea what you people are talking about. One year ago I was put on Paxil for situational depression and anxiety. I had some life altering things happen and I could not cope. Like most situations like this, when we feel better we stop taking it. In my case Paxil made me miserable with the side effects. The withdrawls were horrible, Probably because I stopped cold turkey. Your are put on small doses and over time increased for a reason. None of these medications are meant to quit in that mannor becuse the side effects could be horrible. However, I coped with my depression for over a year because I did not want to go through that again. I looked online for about two weeks to decided what medication I could live with. I've been on cymbalta for about six weeks and I havent felt this good in a very long time. Actually, I never even realized how depression really hurts your body. My aches and pains are gone. My monthly cycle omg I didnt even know it was comming. No cramps ect... I am just amazed. The side effects FOR me upon taking it lasted only a few days. I was put on 30 mg and three weeks later increased to 60mcg with no issues. Along with medications I go to therapy and this time I am comitted to taking the meds and working through the cause of my issues. When my therapist and doctor decide to WEAN me off the medication, I will do so properly. All I hear is a bunch of bashing on this medication and to want to get out of bed everyday for me is a beautiful thing. All of these medications are addicting. ALL OF THEM. They alter brain chemicles. What happens when a diabetic goes off their diet or stops their insulin? Their body will go into shock. They will get sick. Reading this stuff almost made me go off this medication and I'm so glad that I gave it a chance because it has helped me cope with everyday stresses of being a single mom, working and at the same time working things through with my depression. For the first time in a long time I can honestly say I am comfortable being in my own skin.
 












Wow. I feel even better about selling Cymbalta than I used to. Why? Because in one thread you have both Effexor and Lexapro reps bashing it (and a "pharmacist" who was obviously passed up on in an interview). There must be a reason for that.

Bashing Cymbalta is pretty much all they can do at this point (aside from watching their market share plummet).
 


















Anonymous said:
OP HERE:
Are all of you Lilly hired bashers and brainwashed "lilly" reps finished?? Face reality. You all live in a fantasy world and just spout whatever the corporate line is. I see this everyday in real life conceerning Cymbalta and not in a make beleive detail type things you guys do at your meetings. This is the truth from the real world and not your training sessions.
Cymbalta is nothing but a problem and a me-too Effexor. As I remember, my Lilly rep did nothing but bash Effexor when it came out and now he says nothing but glorious things about Cymbalta. All of a sudden the panacea for all mental illness is an Effexor first cousin drug. Why don't you get your stories straight. So sorry I rained on your fantasyworld parade, but you have a product with problems, just like Zyprexa. Oh by the way Lilly also told you there was NO connection btw diabetes and Zyprexa and then go out and spend 1.2 Billion on trying to keep this quite. This will all be exposed in the upcoming congressional investigations for all to finally see what a bunch of liers Lilly has made you all out to be, so get ready to start backtracking with all of the doctors you lied to if they take the time to see you ever again.
I love to post on this forum facts that nobody can refute, since the majority of you have very limited science background. You get all of your information from marketing via the recent corporate verbatims. As for the comment on saving lives and suicide, why don't you look at your own clinical trials on Cymbalta and see how many people actually commited suicide on this drug for just the very reason I pointed out--withdrawal. It was more than just the one poor college student that was reported in the press nationwide. Then there is all the off label hype with Fibromyalgia useage of Cymbalta before it was even OK'ed by the FDA. Don't think Grassley and Waxman haven't already been made aware about that too.
The number one reason other than acute medical trama cited as the reason people seek help in ER's nationwide is this withdrawal syndrome with Effexor and Cymbalta. Look it up if you can figure out how to "google".
Go ahead and bash the fact that I am a pharmacist if you want, but this just exposes your glowing lack of drug knowledge and your own avoidance of clinical data and facts. It's much esier to get your "information" from the marketing people since they too have such a vast knowledge on the one drug they are involved with in their efforts to reap as much money as they can from the product no matter how inferior it may be.
One can rationalize all you like, but one day you will see what a pawn you are in a huge corporation and how you were lied to repeatedly, perhaps then you can grasp the meaning of my posts.
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Agreed................Looks like the truth hurts.........
 






Competitor Rep here-

We are getting away from the important issue here; refuting a worthless pharmacist (or trial lawyer). First off, discontinuation happens at some levels with all SRI's or SNRI's - not just Cymbalta.

The real reason you are bitching is because everytime you fill a Cymbalta script, you are losing profit margin and possibly a bonus. I'm sure you'd love nothing more than to switch than Cymbalta script over to Venlafaxine or generic SRI script so that you and your greedy little bottle fillers can make higher profit margins. You ass-clowns don't know (or ignore) all clinical data showing superiority of branded anti-depressants over generics.

Stay out of diagnosis, stick to filling bottles and shut up.
 






Maybe some day, when the feds approve "behind the counter" prescribing by pharmacists, you will change your mind. I am practicing as a community pharmacist after a 30 year career selling for Lilly, and when "behind the counter" prescribing becomes a reality, I look forward to throwing your arrogant ass out of the pharmacy when you come by to detail me on one of your products. Roche and GSK will get all of my business because they call on me frequently to detail me and ask for the business. They get the business through my phone calls to the physicians. Have not seen a Lilly rep for more than a year, and after reading your assinine comments, I am glad I haven't!
 






there is a reason people don't go to the pharmacist for advise. They went to the doctor, so do as your told. Stop whining about having to compound. There are more Cymbalta indications on the horizon.

Cafephamra Poster RPH
 


















Anonymous said:
Competitor Rep here-

We are getting away from the important issue here; refuting a worthless pharmacist (or trial lawyer). First off, discontinuation happens at some levels with all SRI's or SNRI's - not just Cymbalta.

The real reason you are bitching is because everytime you fill a Cymbalta script, you are losing profit margin and possibly a bonus. I'm sure you'd love nothing more than to switch than Cymbalta script over to Venlafaxine or generic SRI script so that you and your greedy little bottle fillers can make higher profit margins. You ass-clowns don't know (or ignore) all clinical data showing superiority of branded anti-depressants over generics.

Stay out of diagnosis, stick to filling bottles and shut up.
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You should stick to be a pill counting asshole! If you want to practice medicine, you should have gone to medical school. Fill what the doctor prescribes and shut the F... UP!
 












you do realize that oxy helps a lot of people. A lot of those that are addicted to oxy, abused it or didn't use it as prescribed. But of course...that's the drugs fault. I've been on oxy, got off with very little effects. I've been on many ADs. They ALL have withdrawal issues. Sometimes people come thru the effects ok, sometimes it takes a toll on them. Everyone is different, which is why we have so many different medications. But....you already knew that didn't you?

I will stay on cymbalta as long as it's on the market. I'm not worrying about coming off of it, because I never intend to do so. It's had a remarkable change on my life. I can live. I will not give that up again. So withdrawal is a non issue.
 






Dear All,
Regardless of profit margins, side effects or the issues around coming off of Cymbalta, i dont care who makes it, or sells it. The fact remains that currently i am still alive and not wishing to kill myself!
I am new to these forums, but one things for sure, you guys and gals bitching about chemical companies and lawyers and lawsuits has cheered me up!

Maybe we need more highly opinionate, but clearly not diverse forum members because i feel better inside when reading you argue amongst yourselves!

Thanks for that! Keep up the medical work eh??
 






Hi, I am a former Lilly employee from the MDD. That makes me old:) I was put on Cymbalta for fibro by a Rheumy who wasn't sure if my pain was RA or Fibro related. Unfortunately, the Cymbalta didn't help the pain and now I am trying to taper off. I have been in this process for 6 weeks. It has been very difficult, as I am almost constantly dizzy and nauseated. I absolutely get that you need to sell products. I live in your world. However, I think we all have an obligation when we are talking to doctors about new indications to warn them about the down side if a product doesn't work and they need to get a patient off of it. I will always be a big Lilly supporter, but I feel betrayed that no one explained the implications this might have on my ability to function if the drug failed.
 






Anonymous said:
Hi, I am a former Lilly employee from the MDD. That makes me old:) I was put on Cymbalta for fibro by a Rheumy who wasn't sure if my pain was RA or Fibro related. Unfortunately, the Cymbalta didn't help the pain and now I am trying to taper off. I have been in this process for 6 weeks. It has been very difficult, as I am almost constantly dizzy and nauseated. I absolutely get that you need to sell products. I live in your world. However, I think we all have an obligation when we are talking to doctors about new indications to warn them about the down side if a product doesn't work and they need to get a patient off of it. I will always be a big Lilly supporter, but I feel betrayed that no one explained the implications this might have on my ability to function if the drug failed.
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Oh pulease! Pull up your panties and deal with it! You just sound like a whiney little bitch.
 






First, I am a sales rep. Second, I'm on Cymbalta. I've been on it for over 1 year for fibro. My dr tried everything....I felt like I was going crazy! The pain was still there...now here I am a year later and I am so much better. Are there days I have pain? Yes. But how much? I'm so happy for Cymbalta - I was a little scared since it was an anti-dep -but it is controlling my fibro pain. And, I dont worry about withdrawal - since I will be taking it to help me!

Thank you Colonel Eli!
 






Anonymous said:
First, I am a sales rep. Second, I'm on Cymbalta. I've been on it for over 1 year for fibro. My dr tried everything....I felt like I was going crazy! The pain was still there...now here I am a year later and I am so much better. Are there days I have pain? Yes. But how much? I'm so happy for Cymbalta - I was a little scared since it was an anti-dep -but it is controlling my fibro pain. And, I dont worry about withdrawal - since I will be taking it to help me!

Thank you Colonel Eli!
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You'd feel MUCH better by adding Lyrica!!!!!!!!!!
 






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