Associate Reps?????

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The strategy is to sell Hetlioz as a sleep aid. If patient failed on another sleep aid, it is the NSR role to convince that are failures are due to the prescriber misdiagnosing and it HAS to be non 24. This is the coaching the DSMs are pushed to give as well. BUT, it's not in writing although being heard now in all regions. Also, therr are ZERO slim Jim's or other detail pieces that include the words "sighted patients". Tom has said for months, that is coming even though he knows damn well that is a lie. These "associate reps" that they want to hire are going to see right through scam just as easily as experienced reps. Is it pure greed that Vanda wants so many Hetlioz patients that are not non 24? It's very unsettling but revealing that the terms "rare disease" and "orphan drug" became forbidden in Hetlioz discussions.
 






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The strategy is to sell Hetlioz as a sleep aid. If patient failed on another sleep aid, it is the NSR role to convince that are failures are due to the prescriber misdiagnosing and it HAS to be non 24. This is the coaching the DSMs are pushed to give as well. BUT, it's not in writing although being heard now in all regions. Also, therr are ZERO slim Jim's or other detail pieces that include the words "sighted patients". Tom has said for months, that is coming even though he knows damn well that is a lie. These "associate reps" that they want to hire are going to see right through scam just as easily as experienced reps. Is it pure greed that Vanda wants so many Hetlioz patients that are not non 24? It's very unsettling but revealing that the terms "rare disease" and "orphan drug" became forbidden in Hetlioz discussions.
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Screw that! I'll do the right thing and let my whiney little bitch of a manager write me up for actually doing my job (the fucker loves writing people up for any bullshit one can dream of)!
 






anonymous said:
The strategy is to sell Hetlioz as a sleep aid. If patient failed on another sleep aid, it is the NSR role to convince that are failures are due to the prescriber misdiagnosing and it HAS to be non 24. This is the coaching the DSMs are pushed to give as well. BUT, it's not in writing although being heard now in all regions. Also, therr are ZERO slim Jim's or other detail pieces that include the words "sighted patients". Tom has said for months, that is coming even though he knows damn well that is a lie. These "associate reps" that they want to hire are going to see right through scam just as easily as experienced reps. Is it pure greed that Vanda wants so many Hetlioz patients that are not non 24? It's very unsettling but revealing that the terms "rare disease" and "orphan drug" became forbidden in Hetlioz discussions.
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Turnover will be twice as high with "associate reps". Many of these youngsters will not have a family to think about and probably don't have a mortgage. Many reps would have quit long ago if they didn't have families to support. The green rookies will endure the bullying, abuse, dirty sales tactics, lack of ethics, transparency and support along with the worst culture in the entire pharma industry and be out the door quicker than you can say 'Mihales is a failure"
 






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Turnover will be twice as high with "associate reps". Many of these youngsters will not have a family to think about and probably don't have a mortgage. Many reps would have quit long ago if they didn't have families to support. The green rookies will endure the bullying, abuse, dirty sales tactics, lack of ethics, transparency and support along with the worst culture in the entire pharma industry and be out the door quicker than you can say 'Mihales is a failure"
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You're right! They will put up with crap for all of five minutes and then be out the door because they will realize how awful things are.

My fear is that a manager or two may become borderline perverts with the associate reps since they already leer at the nice looking women in the company with sexy bodies.

People comment about young people feeling entitled but this will be a good thing because it will let those in charge know how much their stupid ideas stink.

I can't wait for the first associate rep to tell a shithead manager "No! Fuck off! I quit!"
 






Did they find any suckers to take one of these ASSociate rep jobs? It's probably why Chrissie Shea left HR. She was embarrassed that she was running HR for a company that does everything possible to be unsuccessful.
 






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Did they find any suckers to take one of these ASSociate rep jobs? It's probably why Chrissie Shea left HR. She was embarrassed that she was running HR for a company that does everything possible to be unsuccessful.
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Amanda in HR quit too. Top attorney and board secretary quitting too. No one wants to be part of such a toxic company.
 






Word to potential applicants:. The posting makes it appear to be a field job with opportunity to advance in the field or into HQ. ZERO, repeat ZERO field employees have ever moved into HQ let alone having the opportunity. The CEO purposely keeps them separate and prohibits communication. Field employees do not ever see a single opening in HQ. Vanda is not the starting point on your resume in the industry, it is the end. Come to Vanda if you want to feel pain but not if you give a shit about patients or career advancement.
 






Truth. I get it, we all want to work, we all want a job and an opportunity to get a career started. You will likely dismiss the posts here as average run of the mill CafePharma whining posts. Do yourself a favor and do your homework. Check out LinkedIn and reach out to people on the neuroscience team, the account management team, reimbursement, case management, anyone. Ask for honest feedback and maybe you’ll get it. Reach out to people who are no longer here but have Vanda listed as a former employer, they are more likely to be open. They will tell you this place is a total clusterfuck. Seriously. At least half the people I talk to are actively looking, the others are delusional and hoping it will get better but IT WONT. After 18 months, I can tell you - shitshow then, shitshow today. Empty promises, bonus plans changed to make sure no one gets paid, insane goals that are constantly moving and now product two requirements that have all of us going off label so we don’t end up on a plan. It seems now Greek Napoleon is driving the whole retarded circus train into the ditch like he’s a drunk driver. Meanwhile, he dodges questions on the earnings call about the crashing numbers like a true pro. Take this free advice - THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO BE. When you read here in 6 months that the FDA shut us down or the company has filed Chapter 11 you will thank the posters here.
 






anonymous said:
Truth. I get it, we all want to work, we all want a job and an opportunity to get a career started. You will likely dismiss the posts here as average run of the mill CafePharma whining posts. Do yourself a favor and do your homework. Check out LinkedIn and reach out to people on the neuroscience team, the account management team, reimbursement, case management, anyone. Ask for honest feedback and maybe you’ll get it. Reach out to people who are no longer here but have Vanda listed as a former employer, they are more likely to be open. They will tell you this place is a total clusterfuck. Seriously. At least half the people I talk to are actively looking, the others are delusional and hoping it will get better but IT WONT. After 18 months, I can tell you - shitshow then, shitshow today. Empty promises, bonus plans changed to make sure no one gets paid, insane goals that are constantly moving and now product two requirements that have all of us going off label so we don’t end up on a plan. It seems now Greek Napoleon is driving the whole retarded circus train into the ditch like he’s a drunk driver. Meanwhile, he dodges questions on the earnings call about the crashing numbers like a true pro. Take this free advice - THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO BE. When you read here in 6 months that the FDA shut us down or the company has filed Chapter 11 you will thank the posters here.
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AMEN!!! It is so embarrassing to still be at Vanda. It's like having Enron on the resume.
 






The field reps are the income generators for the company and are the front line representation of Vanda. So, if Vanda is seeking naive, inexperienced associates for these important roles, what is Vanda actually hiring for support roles internally? I am an experienced rep looking for new opportunities and was completely floored by the Vanda job postings? Who is running your talent acquisition department? Ronald McDonald?
 






anonymous said:
The field reps are the income generators for the company and are the front line representation of Vanda. So, if Vanda is seeking naive, inexperienced associates for these important roles, what is Vanda actually hiring for support roles internally? I am an experienced rep looking for new opportunities and was completely floored by the Vanda job postings? Who is running your talent acquisition department? Ronald McDonald?
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He was passed over because being Ronald McDonald is considered post-college employment. He's over qualified!!

Hamburgular maybe?
 






anonymous said:
He was passed over because being Ronald McDonald is considered post-college employment. He's over qualified!!

Hamburgular maybe?
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Ronald McDonald is being interviewed for Head of HR and also chief legal counsel. After all, both just left on their own for other opportunities (this is when shareholders fall on floor laughing asking how stupid does little Greek doc think they are)
 






anonymous said:
The field reps are the income generators for the company and are the front line representation of Vanda. So, if Vanda is seeking naive, inexperienced associates for these important roles, what is Vanda actually hiring for support roles internally? I am an experienced rep looking for new opportunities and was completely floored by the Vanda job postings? Who is running your talent acquisition department? Ronald McDonald?
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Anything that Vanda top management tries to improve, they only destroy.
 






anonymous said:
The field reps are the income generators for the company and are the front line representation of Vanda. So, if Vanda is seeking naive, inexperienced associates for these important roles, what is Vanda actually hiring for support roles internally? I am an experienced rep looking for new opportunities and was completely floored by the Vanda job postings? Who is running your talent acquisition department? Ronald McDonald?
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Ronald McDonald is CCO. Hamburglar is CEO.
 






anonymous said:
The field reps are the income generators for the company and are the front line representation of Vanda. So, if Vanda is seeking naive, inexperienced associates for these important roles, what is Vanda actually hiring for support roles internally? I am an experienced rep looking for new opportunities and was completely floored by the Vanda job postings? Who is running your talent acquisition department? Ronald McDonald?
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The brainiacs responsible for wanting associates are certainly clowns.
 






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  • Candidates with no prior experience in pharmaceutical sales will be preferred.
This is from the Vanda website job posting for an open NSR territory. Fucking laughable to think anyone with no pharma experience, let alone no psych experience, is going to sell Fanapt or Hetlioz. These are the folks we work for ladies and gentlemen. People who don’t even understand what we do and what is required to do it. This is the criteria for EVERY OPEN SALES POSITION IN THE COUNTRY. Total disregard for the current sales force and a belief (that no other professional sales org holds) that experience does not matter. Good luck to all of us.
 






anonymous said:
The brainiacs responsible for wanting associates are certainly clowns.
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YES! my day began with a call from a Fanapt and Hetlioz account asking again why they never can get a return call about Hetlioz intakes. If they do not get a call, Vanda is banned from the account. These stories are becoming so common. I am following the advice of my teammates and no longer mentioning Hetlioz to my Fanapt writers.
 






anonymous said:
“
  • Candidates with no prior experience in pharmaceutical sales will be preferred.
This is from the Vanda website job posting for an open NSR territory. Fucking laughable to think anyone with no pharma experience, let alone no psych experience, is going to sell Fanapt or Hetlioz. These are the folks we work for ladies and gentlemen. People who don’t even understand what we do and what is required to do it. This is the criteria for EVERY OPEN SALES POSITION IN THE COUNTRY. Total disregard for the current sales force and a belief (that no other professional sales org holds) that experience does not matter. Good luck to all of us.
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A CEO and CCO are supposed to hire competent sales leadership and stay out of this. But Vanda has a CEO and CCO that are so arrogant and refuse to be realize the reps are the face of the company and the revenue generators and deserve just a small bit of respect. But they refuse....
 






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