Any truth to Zimmer's trabecular implant?

Facts: There was "no voluntary recall". Period. End of bullshit story. There was an issue with "1 single solitary implant". Zimmer stopped shipping for 3 weeks to invesitgate. There was "no issue". Zimmer issued an "IFU update regarding the 4.1 TM Implant". Shipping resumed. Key take aways here: (1.) There was no recall & (2.) 1 single Implant had an issue and (3.) Zimmer issued a voluntary IFU Update. Thats it. That should make it really simple to understand for all you haters out there and for all you losers at ID that wish you had a real product to sell or for all you hacks still at 3i that wish you had a quality product to sell that did not have real significant product defects. Keep chuggin along losers. We have the upper hand here.

Why is it that every time a Zimmer rep opens his mouth, unadulterated b--s---t flows out?

OK, so you don't believe what is written on the FDA website?

So please, enlighten us. What would you call this Class 2 Recall which is plainly on the FDA website? A Niznick hoax? Or perhaps the federal government is now out to get Zimmer as well? We're going to have to start calling you Mr. Area 51.

Can you explain why Zimmer, who has dumped all this money into this worthless implant with an obvious inherent design flaw, and possibly millions more into new brainwashing procedures for reps like you, Mr. Area 51, so that you don't believe what is clearly before your own eyes, would issue a Class 2 Recall and risk all the bad press OVER ONLY 1 IMPLANT????

It's so true- you really can't make this stuff up!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 




Why is it that every time a Zimmer rep opens his mouth, unadulterated b--s---t flows out?

OK, so you don't believe what is written on the FDA website?

So please, enlighten us. What would you call this Class 2 Recall which is plainly on the FDA website? A Niznick hoax? Or perhaps the federal government is now out to get Zimmer as well? We're going to have to start calling you Mr. Area 51.

Can you explain why Zimmer, who has dumped all this money into this worthless implant with an obvious inherent design flaw, and possibly millions more into new brainwashing procedures for reps like you, Mr. Area 51, so that you don't believe what is clearly before your own eyes, would issue a Class 2 Recall and risk all the bad press OVER ONLY 1 IMPLANT????

It's so true- you really can't make this stuff up!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, please actually read what it says on the FDA website. In the "reason section" it clearly makes reference to an issue with 1 single 4.1 Implant. The action was "voluntary" on Zimmer's part, hence the Class 2. It was not an actual product recall or we would not be selling the product anymore. You are clearly desperate and probably getting your ass spanked in your local market right now by Zimmer, Nobel, Straumann, Astra and ID. Yes thats right we know that you work for dead dog 3i. Keep talking loser. Nobody is actually listening to you.
 




Yes, please actually read what it says on the FDA website. In the "reason section" it clearly makes reference to an issue with 1 single 4.1 Implant. The action was "voluntary" on Zimmer's part, hence the Class 2. It was not an actual product recall or we would not be selling the product anymore. You are clearly desperate and probably getting your ass spanked in your local market right now by Zimmer, Nobel, Straumann, Astra and ID. Yes thats right we know that you work for dead dog 3i. Keep talking loser. Nobody is actually listening to you.


So let's have some more fun with Mr. Area 51, shall we? ROTFL

1. "A single 4.1 implant caused the recall." OK- so then Zimmer contacted the FDA over a SINGLE implant issue in response to a product complaint? OK Keep drinking your Kool-Aid. That is ridiculous. Everybody has heard of your implants shearing and breaking, and you are choosing to turn your head to it. Your superiors are not turning their head to it, and that is why they have documented this with the FDA.

2. "It was "voluntary", and hence Class 2." Wrong again. The class of recall refers to the health impact of the product being recalled. Not whether it is voluntary or not. What the heck are they teaching you kids at Zimmer U these days? From the FDA site: http://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls/ucm165546.htm

3. "It was not an actual product recall or we would not be selling the product anymore." This is another bright and shining pearl from the braintrust at Zimmer U, eh? So the document on the FDA site under the section "Medical & Radiation Emitting Device Recalls", indicating a "Class 2 Recall Zimmer® 4.1 Trabecular Metal" Dental Implant" which affected 195 products in use where those customers were individually contacted by Zimmer and both US Mailed and FEDEXd hardcopies of the revised documents "identified the issue and risks found with the device listing responsibilties, precautions, and procedural precautions." (maybe you recommend not using it in human bone??? lol) wasn't a recall?

That is hilarious!!

You can't make up this craziness! Zimmer and it's reps should have their own reality show in the coveted NBC 8:00 Must-See TV comedy timeslot!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahaahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK, I'm ready for your silly responses speculating about how you and your little friends are tearing me apart in the field... Have at me Mr. Area 51!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!
 




The funniest part is, at the time of the recall letter, they only sold (or more likely, gave away) 195 of these things.

Looooooong way to go before we all get "scared" as this guy predicts a takeover of the market.
 




Hey enlongated HAAAAAAAAAAAhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAA guy. You are the object of every joke in multiple forums on CP. Nothing you say matters to anyone besides you. Yes it was "1 single Implant effected". The letter (IFU Update = Not a recall) was sent to 195 clinicians that purchased (spent $495 for each TM Implant) at least 1 4.1 TM Implant. We wanted everyone to get the letter who had used the product. The TM Implants are safe or Zimmer would not be selling them. Obviously you ARE afraid or you wouldn't be on CP injecting your worthless bullshit for you and your loser freinds to gloat over. NOTHING YOU SAY MATTERS. IF YOU AND YOUR ENTIRE COMPANY DISAPPEARED FROM THE PLANET, NOBODY WOULD CARE.
 




This is from the Zimmer guy who, just to remind everyone, PRETENDS to be a doctor on other company sites, starting threads to make false claims about products better than his. You can't get less credibility than this sad excuse for a company representative. Zimmer should be, and probably is, completely embarassed by this slanderer.

Just a small piece of advice for you - hold your product up in the mirror and take an unbiased look before you cast any more wayward stones at others. That, and get help.
 




This is from the Zimmer guy who, just to remind everyone, PRETENDS to be a doctor on other company sites, starting threads to make false claims about products better than his. You can't get less credibility than this sad excuse for a company representative. Zimmer should be, and probably is, completely embarassed by this slanderer.

Just a small piece of advice for you - hold your product up in the mirror and take an unbiased look before you cast any more wayward stones at others. That, and get help.

I am not the fake multi-poster you make mention of on other forums. I have had enough of you and your fellow loser, unproductive Rep friends that post garbage on this site day after day to try and confuse good people. Here is a challange for you. Post your Name, Address, Phone and Email at the bottom of every post you put on this site and every other. Then we will see who the real man is. Can't wait for your next bullshit response as "anonymous". You are not fooling anyone.
 




I mean ...recommending to first try inserting a tapered Screw-Vent and then remove it if it doesn't achieve the immediate load threshold of 35Ncm and replace it immediately with a TM implant so that you can load it in maybe 6-8 weeks instead of waiting 8-10 weeks. It is well documented that bone forms faster on an HA surface so why not just use the HA coated Screw-Vent and either load it immediately or wait 6/8 weeks in soft bone? Given the fact that the TM implant has half the thread surface of a Screw-Vent and is primarily straight, it is a poorer design for immediate load than the tapered Screw-Vent and it has no studies showing that it could be loaded in 6 weeks in bone quality compared to a Taperd Screw-Vent in the same bone.
The only justification for Zimmer selling the TM implant is it's $54 increased price. It comes at a greater risk of contamination if the TM surface becomes exposed, the increased risk of not achieving adequate initial stability in soft bone to achieve Osseointegration because of the lack of threads, and an increased risk of implant fracture in insertion or in function because threads in the mid-section were removed, leaving a narrow core to make room for TM with no structural strength.
I am not a "newby" but in fact am the inventor of the Straight (1986) and tapered(1999) Screw-Vend. I know how to improve the Screw-Vent which is why the Legacry2 was Voted one of the top 25 implant products of 2011 by Dental Products Review's readers. Zimmer apparently does not understand why the Tapered Screw-Vent was so successful, or they would not have made the Trabecular Metal version of the Screw-Vent.

What Zimmer understands well, is that selling your Screw-vent was not getting them to the promised land. They have had to discount the crap out of it to 2nd and 3rd tier surgeons just to sell it. It was and is not inspiring the big boys to get on the bus, and Zimmer has been wallowing in the 5 hole for years because of it.

Now, what did they need to do? That's right, COME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW ON THEIR OWN! Tough to do when you are the implant equivalent of a mafia store front. In fact, they DID NOT come up with something on their own, it was ripped off from daddy Zimmer Ortho. So, here's your trabecular metal thingy, and now we are on to PART II, which is to convince the surgical public that this contraption is a.) necessary, and b.) worth the added cost. (Let me be spoiler to the ending of the movie-it isn't, and it isn't.) Even if it actually WAS, Zimmer does not have the reputation and business base required to change the market. This is primarily where selling Mr. Niznick's product for years got them, and you have to dance with the girl that brung ya.

Niznick is right, and wrong, as usual. No one needs the unproven, mechanically and potentially periodontally unsound TM at $495, but we all do need to do better in the market than TSV and Legacy2. One of the "top 25" implant products of 2011? That's your selling point? Bro, it needs to be THE NUMBER 1 for you to have a shot at all at the title. Not too inspiring to the masses, Niz. That's like saying Miss Grenada has a chance of winning Miss Universe. No offense intended to all you Grenadians out there, of course.

Let unschooled Zimmer reps crow about it for a while because that's their job, I guess. In the end, it will fall to the scrap heap with the others, and Zimmer will have to try another avenue to move up from where they are. In either instance, it'll be fun to watch.
 




I am not the fake multi-poster you make mention of on other forums. I have had enough of you and your fellow loser, unproductive Rep friends that post garbage on this site day after day to try and confuse good people. Here is a challange for you. Post your Name, Address, Phone and Email at the bottom of every post you put on this site and every other. Then we will see who the real man is. Can't wait for your next bullshit response as "anonymous". You are not fooling anyone.

Yes you are. You don't have to be "anonymous" because you sign all of your posts every time you write. You must have skipped English from 2nd to the 12th grade, pal. You probably misspelled "Zimmer" on your application with the company.

If you were a "real man", you'd tell the truth. I'm secure in my life and career; I don't have to try and fool anyone. Good luck with that split personality.
 




Also, I'm warming up to the HAHAHAHhahahaha guy because he is infinitely smarter and accomplished than the pretend doctor/illiterate/limited brain function Zimmer guy. Keep posting, HAHAHAhahahaha man, you are making sense and are suprisingly entertaining.
 








Yes you are. You don't have to be "anonymous" because you sign all of your posts every time you write. You must have skipped English from 2nd to the 12th grade, pal. You probably misspelled "Zimmer" on your application with the company.

If you were a "real man", you'd tell the truth. I'm secure in my life and career; I don't have to try and fool anyone. Good luck with that split personality.

Ok Mr. Security and Happy Life, sign your posts with Name, Address, Phone and Email.. Your posts get so progressively desperate it is comical. You can't be that happy or secure in anything if it is your MO to post on CP day after day to an audience that could care less. Come on man, be a man and sign your dip shit posts.
 




Ok Mr. Security and Happy Life, sign your posts with Name, Address, Phone and Email.. Your posts get so progressively desperate it is comical. You can't be that happy or secure in anything if it is your MO to post on CP day after day to an audience that could care less. Come on man, be a man and sign your dip shit posts.

Just like you? By the way, dip shit is one word, dipshit. Try and study something or read a book sometime. Also, how am I desperate, exactly? No one loses to middleman Zimmer Dental. Not even ID. Watching you get trounced is amusement to me, that's all.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you, and 99.9% of the people on CP anonymous? Who would actually give their address here? Are you high right now-on top of brain dead? Anyway, I wouldn't need you to sign for me because your uneducated scrawl is signature enough. I'll simply wait until you unleash another of your ficticious characters on this or some other thread. See if you can entertain us all some more.
 




Just like you? By the way, dip shit is one word, dipshit. Try and study something or read a book sometime. Also, how am I desperate, exactly? No one loses to middleman Zimmer Dental. Not even ID. Watching you get trounced is amusement to me, that's all.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you, and 99.9% of the people on CP anonymous? Who would actually give their address here? Are you high right now-on top of brain dead? Anyway, I wouldn't need you to sign for me because your uneducated scrawl is signature enough. I'll simply wait until you unleash another of your ficticious characters on this or some other thread. See if you can entertain us all some more.

Coward............
 








The poster is the demoted mgr. from Z

Don't know who that is but I do know that Zimmer Dental has not demoted any Managers in at least 4 years. Everyone in the company knows this. If you actually know anyone in the company, ask them. I will lay down the challenge again, just in case you missed it the first time. Start signing your posts with your real Name, Address, Phone# and Email address. If you insist on posting false garbadge like this then we would like to actually know who you are. If you decide not to, then you are a SPINELESS COWARD!
 




Don't know who that is but I do know that Zimmer Dental has not demoted any Managers in at least 4 years. Everyone in the company knows this. If you actually know anyone in the company, ask them. I will lay down the challenge again, just in case you missed it the first time. Start signing your posts with your real Name, Address, Phone# and Email address. If you insist on posting false garbadge like this then we would like to actually know who you are. If you decide not to, then you are a SPINELESS COWARD!

...signed,

Anonymous (it's ok for me, though!)
 








Help me understand why I and everyone on CP is spineless, and you get off scott-free for doing the SAME THING, only that you start threads about other implant companies based on lies that you think serve your point, and you do it pretending you're somebody else (a doctor)? That's just sad beyond belief.

It would seem that, based on those facts, you win the award for Sorriest Excuse For a Rep.

(I inappropriately capitalized that just for you-I know it's your writing style.)

P.S. Zimmer REALLY needs to screen their hirings better if they are going to "take over the market" as you say. Hilarious!
 




Don't know who that is but I do know that Zimmer Dental has not demoted any Managers in at least 4 years. Everyone in the company knows this. If you actually know anyone in the company, ask them. I will lay down the challenge again, just in case you missed it the first time. Start signing your posts with your real Name, Address, Phone# and Email address. If you insist on posting false garbadge like this then we would like to actually know who you are. If you decide not to, then you are a SPINELESS COWARD!

So you're saying SC, the Florida RM wasn't demoted? Uh, ok. No one would CHOOSE to take a territory over an RM spot unless they were in way over their head. Hence, demotion.