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Anonymous said:
It is absolutely shocking, the level of ignorance about the appropriate role of government in The U.S.
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We should define "appropriate"? And to whom?
The governing powers or the governed?

Let's examine our Constitution again.

Article I grants the government essentially all power, allows it to form laws asserting said power and amendment 10 essentially says any "power" outside of the remit of "all" "...are reserved to the states or the people."

Article I [section 8-10] basically allows the formation of an army, currency, taxation and all modern forms of POWER. Although we have the Enumerated Powers Act, the reality of the situation is that we have a government, or a Monopoly on Violence, yet consistently pretend otherwise.

The bottom line is that TPTB do a fine PR exercise of "Land of the Free", however it doesn't exist. Never has. The greatest myth many Americans tell themselves is that the Bill of Rights is actually the Constitution - it is not; they are amendments to the actual Constitution. They don't revoke the initial powers invested in the government; they're merely "play nice" additions that can be revoked at any time.

The libertarians can continue to argue their ideal to the heart's content, but the reality of the "military-industrial complex" (you can add in Corporate nowadays) is that power only resides in the government, and always has done.

All the rest is rather self-indulgent mythology and the illusion of freedom.

I'd say it's high time to ditch the Constitution and come up with something new if we ever want to scale back government/military/corporate power.
 




Anonymous said:
Individual FREEDOM is the foundation for thriving societies. So quit telling people how to live. You make your music and work on your spirit, but don't expect people to pay your bills, ok leech?
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Sir, yes Sir!!!

I'm glad you mention this individual freedom concept, while at the same time repudiating my individual freedom to share ideas and debate the comments made here.

I have no issue supporting your individual freedom to be a bitter, selfish, stupid human being (and I'm being polite calling you a human).

But, it is your stupidity and selfishness, which serves an evolutionary function for the rest of us trying to progress the human race. So, thanks for that good work you do. And, remember to file your tax return by the 15th of April.
 
















"Article I grants the government essentially all power"

Hmmm..... Which part of Article I gives the power of the government to allow illegal immigrants to over-run our country or allow people to kill unborn children or regulate light bulbs or toilets or gas mileage requirements in our cars or force us to buy healthcare?

I could go on, but why bother? Our Constitution is fine, it is our corrupt leaders who are broken. They don't want to follow the The Constitution. The limits put on government by The Constitution barely exist anymore. The guard-rails are off and it's anarchy.

You should be happy Saul...

At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.
 




Anonymous said:
We should define "appropriate"? And to whom?
The governing powers or the governed?

Let's examine our Constitution again.

Article I grants the government essentially all power, allows it to form laws asserting said power and amendment 10 essentially says any "power" outside of the remit of "all" "...are reserved to the states or the people."

Article I [section 8-10] basically allows the formation of an army, currency, taxation and all modern forms of POWER. Although we have the Enumerated Powers Act, the reality of the situation is that we have a government, or a Monopoly on Violence, yet consistently pretend otherwise.

The bottom line is that TPTB do a fine PR exercise of "Land of the Free", however it doesn't exist. Never has. The greatest myth many Americans tell themselves is that the Bill of Rights is actually the Constitution - it is not; they are amendments to the actual Constitution. They don't revoke the initial powers invested in the government; they're merely "play nice" additions that can be revoked at any time.

The libertarians can continue to argue their ideal to the heart's content, but the reality of the "military-industrial complex" (you can add in Corporate nowadays) is that power only resides in the government, and always has done.

All the rest is rather self-indulgent mythology and the illusion of freedom.

I'd say it's high time to ditch the Constitution and come up with something new if we ever want to scale back government/military/corporate power.
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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

I wonder what was meant by "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity"

Probably just a "self-indulgent mythology and illusion of freedom"

What a complete fucking joke you are Saul.
 




Anonymous said:
We should define "appropriate"? And to whom?
The governing powers or the governed?

Let's examine our Constitution again.

Article I grants the government essentially all power, allows it to form laws asserting said power and amendment 10 essentially says any "power" outside of the remit of "all" "...are reserved to the states or the people."

Article I [section 8-10] basically allows the formation of an army, currency, taxation and all modern forms of POWER. Although we have the Enumerated Powers Act, the reality of the situation is that we have a government, or a Monopoly on Violence, yet consistently pretend otherwise.

The bottom line is that TPTB do a fine PR exercise of "Land of the Free", however it doesn't exist. Never has. The greatest myth many Americans tell themselves is that the Bill of Rights is actually the Constitution - it is not; they are amendments to the actual Constitution. They don't revoke the initial powers invested in the government; they're merely "play nice" additions that can be revoked at any time.

The libertarians can continue to argue their ideal to the heart's content, but the reality of the "military-industrial complex" (you can add in Corporate nowadays) is that power only resides in the government, and always has done.

All the rest is rather self-indulgent mythology and the illusion of freedom.

I'd say it's high time to ditch the Constitution and come up with something new if we ever want to scale back government/military/corporate power.
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Saul, you don't know much about The US Constitution, do ya? Article I deals only with The Legislative Branch. Here in The US, we have divided government Saul. The only self-indulging myth is your knowledge of The US Constitution Saul.
 




Anonymous said:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

I wonder what was meant by "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity"

Probably just a "self-indulgent mythology and illusion of freedom"

What a complete fucking joke you are Saul.
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how cute. and, who the hell is this saul you keep referencing?

re-read what you just CTRL-C, CTRL-V'd.

over 200 years later, and this constitution has not delivered upon the lofty premise.

minor case in point: no universal health care system. even with a "socialist" running the presidency! it would be laughable if it weren't so sad.

time to wipe the system clean and install a new operating system.
 




Anonymous said:
Saul, you don't know much about The US Constitution, do ya? Article I deals only with The Legislative Branch. Here in The US, we have divided government Saul. The only self-indulging myth is your knowledge of The US Constitution Saul.
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/facepalm.

You totally missed the point, did you? Why is this not surprising?

Let me help you.

Poster above (was it you Saul-sayer?) was complaining about the federal government. Why? I can only assume that the poster didn't like the power the federal government wielded. Well, it's true. And yes, Congress, the legislative branch of the "divided" federal government, has a $hit ton of POWER. As already demonstrated in Article I.

What's your point in trying to troll?

I mean, you're not even good at it. Take some lessons, and then come back here.

And, WTF is Saul?
 




Anonymous said:
/facepalm.

You totally missed the point, did you? Why is this not surprising?

Let me help you.

Poster above (was it you Saul-sayer?) was complaining about the federal government. Why? I can only assume that the poster didn't like the power the federal government wielded. Well, it's true. And yes, Congress, the legislative branch of the "divided" federal government, has a $hit ton of POWER. As already demonstrated in Article I.

What's your point in trying to troll?

I mean, you're not even good at it. Take some lessons, and then come back here.

And, WTF is Saul?
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Hey Saul.... A divided government, as setup in The US Constitution, does not allow for an all-powerful legislature. The legislative branch might have a shit-ton of power, but guess what.... So do the other branches of government. Ever heard of checks and balances Saul? Perhaps you might peruse Article II and III of The US Constitution. Because right now you're not that good at it. I mean you are not very educated on The US Constition.
 




Anonymous said:
how cute. and, who the hell is this saul you keep referencing?

re-read what you just CTRL-C, CTRL-V'd.

over 200 years later, and this constitution has not delivered upon the lofty premise.

minor case in point: no universal health care system. even with a "socialist" running the presidency! it would be laughable if it weren't so sad.

time to wipe the system clean and install a new operating system.
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I wonder what was meant by "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity"

Who would possibly want to wipe that clean??? Saul maybe?
 




Anonymous said:
"Article I grants the government essentially all power"

Hmmm..... Which part of Article I gives the power of the government to allow illegal immigrants to over-run our country or allow people to kill unborn children or regulate light bulbs or toilets or gas mileage requirements in our cars or force us to buy healthcare?

I could go on, but why bother? Our Constitution is fine, it is our corrupt leaders who are broken. They don't want to follow the The Constitution. The limits put on government by The Constitution barely exist anymore. The guard-rails are off and it's anarchy.

You should be happy Saul...

At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.
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When you ask stupid questions, you will get a stupid answer:

The freedom and powers of the federal government will not be compromised.
 




"over 200 years later, and this constitution has not delivered upon the lofty premise."

No country in the history of the world has done it better.... No matter how badly you libs have bastardized it.
 




Anonymous said:
Hey Saul.... A divided government, as setup in The US Constitution, does not allow for an all-powerful legislature. The legislative branch might have a shit-ton of power, but guess what.... So do the other branches of government. Ever heard of checks and balances Saul? Perhaps you might peruse Article II and III of The US Constitution. Because right now you're not that good at it. I mean you are not very educated on The US Constition.
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When all three branches of the government are in on the same scam (i.e., concentration of power at the federal level), the checks and balances are purely for viewer entertainment.

You've been duped. I was duped.

Viva la revolucion!
 








"power only resides in the government, and always has done."
- Wrong again moron. Please read and learn about "the consent of the governed"

Part of the reason for the Constitution's enduring strength is that it is the complement of the Declaration of Independence. The Declaration provided the philosophical basis for a government that exercises legitimate power by "the consent of the governed," and it defined the conditions of a free people, whose rights and liberty are derived from their Creator. The Constitution delineated the structure of government and the rules for its operation, consistent with the creed of human liberty proclaimed in the Declaration.

By the diffusion of power—horizontally among the three separate branches of the federal government, and vertically in the allocation of power between the central government and the states—the Constitution's Framers devised a structure of government strong enough to ensure the nation's future strength and prosperity but without sufficient power to threaten the liberty of the people.

I won't charge you for this lesson. Next time it will cost you.
 




Anonymous said:
When all three branches of the government are in on the same scam (i.e., concentration of power at the federal level), the checks and balances are purely for viewer entertainment.

You've been duped. I was duped.

Viva la revolucion!
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I would agree to a certain extent.... But this is no fault of The US Constitution. This is a result of not following The Constitution. This is a result of letting socialists constantly chip away at it and bastardize it. Power needs to be diffused and America needs to return to its Constitutional Republic roots.
 




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