YOU can't handle the truth ZOLL!

[Anonymous]

The point of the story was he bullshits his reps (that he's hired that do not have cardiology experience) he has no idea how much a pacer or ICD costs the Hospitals in his region. He lies and makes up shit and puts his reps in a position to look stupid if they repeat his bullshit. Just imagine one of his new reps trying to explain the cost advantage of using a vest vs going straight to an ICD or BIV. THE Rep loses all creadability instantly!!! Nice training from a manager that is to stupid and to lazy to do research, and then plan a strategy. His latest gem was that Zoll is the hottest position in medical sales. People are knocking the door down to try and get in!! So hit your number or there will be 100 people who want your job. Yeah that's the kind of team leader I want to work for!!!

OMG..way too funny. There are 100 people trying to get out of the Zoll door not in! Leadership has to lie to get people in and when candidates finally join cause they believed the lies, it's only a very short time before they realize they were lied to and they become one of the 100 reps trying to leave. Thanks for the laugh!

 

[Anonymous]

Here is the TRUTH and the reality of ZOLL Lifevest.
Are you ready upper leadership? Also, to every useless, loser, laid off pharmaceutical district manager that's now a ZOLL RM (because that's who ZOLL hires because that's all they can get ! any QUALITY people don't apply or reject to take the job after researching it),So, to all of you, are you ready?
Here it goes......The Lifevest is not a "True" medical device, the Lifevest is a durable medical piece of equipment. Hence the reason why it bills through insurance as DME (durable medical equipment). So for all the wannabe people that could never get into "true" medical devices and are at ZOLL now and to all the reject leadership people that failed elsewhere that landed at ZOLL( all upper leadership and every Area Director, and most RM's), STOP acting like you're something that you’re NOT. ZOLL tries to put on some kind of front like you are supposed to be in the Cath Labs and EP labs, etc. Give me a break. The Lifevest has absolutely nothing to do with procedures and what's going on in the Cath Lab or EP lab! Lifevest territory managers are the laughing stock of reps in the Cardiology sector. Everyone walks around in their scrubs and acts like they are some important medical device rep, it's pathetic and embarrassing actually. What you don't realize is everyone is looking at you wondering what the hell you're doing there when you’re at their facility, and then they say shit about you behind your back as you leave. I was a TM for a short time with ZOLL ,ONLY to get some extra money for a year while I was working my other "real and credible" device job because I was told by other reps that you only have to work about 5 hours a week and that the company is so dumb that they don't even realize it, So I did it! Boy were they right I have to say. Hey Mr. President and VP, just so you're aware of it, most of your RM's don't work either, MANY do not ride in the field at all whatsoever and bullshit their field ride reports etc. and do nothing! Wake up you morons! Anyway, taking the paychecks for doing virtually nothing was great until the device and all the issues that surround it started hurting my credibility and it started hurting my reputation and relationships, so I made my money and resigned before it permanently damaged my identity. I was at that point only after a year. I guess the easy money and doing nothing kept me there for the 1 year I was with Zoll.

Okay, let's get to the more important stuff now shall we?

The Lifevest:

1) is a uncomfortable wearable piece of equipment that patients hate, leading to a horrible experience with comfort issues and constant FALSE alarming and Gonging. In addition the company has a tech-support that doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground and there are many many things that occur daily and constantly that could be lawsuits.

2) Patients get a huge co-pay and the doctors constantly get bothered about it when patients come in for their office visits (The co-pay is always an issue because the PSR's and TMs lie about insurance coverages to get the patient fit). Nice huh? Nice morals! And if it's not a co-pay it's either an insurance denial and the full amount is due by the patient and then the doctor goes on to do a peer-to-peer and they always fail as well. So doctors are either getting bothered about money/ coverage with the Lifevest or comfort/ alarm issues. One or the other. All for a device that has a 1% save rate, which is even questionable. Oh sorry, I almost forgot another issue, if it's not financials or patient issues it's the constant paperwork and issues and exceptions with everything that tm's send in for approval because the loser $8 / hr people in corporate masturbate while they deny things because it makes them feel powerful. Again, everything about the organization is a joke!

3) Has roughly a 1% chance of even treating somebody with a vt/ vf event. And to even add to those treatment rates a good percentage of those would have self terminated on their own and not ended in mortality anyway. Any percentages you get over 1% are totally made up magnified fuzzy math numbers that marketing comes up with. (IE. When at an ASM in front of the whole company a person from marketing scrambled for something up on stage in his briefcase when a Tm raised hand in the audience and asked a question about where he came up with his bullshit risk percentage, and he didn't have it to substantiate and prove a percentage he was giving). It's embarrassing, this isn't a used car sales dealership where you just come up with numbers and manipulate things to look good because you want them to look good. Or is Zoll just like a used car dealership lot? Maybe the company should be called ZOLL used medical equipment lot? Because that's how slimy and sneaky the marketing department is with their so called "clinical data". Additionally the 1% of saves that zoll gets that were true saves that would have degenerated to VF and death, almost all those people are dead within 3 to 4 months after being treated by the Lifevest anyway. They are just very sick people at end-stage heart failure and pump function failure. Medicare will be looking at this over the next couple years if not sooner and reimbursement will be drastically reduced or eliminated completely. Even with the Lifevest saving a very tiny small amount of patients, take a look at the cost burden to the healthcare system of money spent versus lives saved. Take a look at other posts on here that people have posted about the cost per life saved math with Lifevest , it's absolutely unbelievably ridiculous. It's a joke, and that's why it is not in guidelines and never will be! And to add to it as I stated before, the questionable "saves" ZOLL gets are usually never patients that go on to live a long time, they die within the next 3 to 6 months, and it's not an enjoyable 4-6 of quality living either! Anyway, you can choose to believe all the bullshit with LVN 2.0 and heart failure monitoring with the current POA and all the smoke and mirror lies. The current POA is just a continuation of ZOLL marketing selling the Lifevest as something that it is NOT! It’s all lies and they will not continue to get away with smoke and mirrors. If you're that stupid to buy into their horseshit, then you deserve to be at Zoll and stay there and fall under their spell of wishful thinking which will lead to your credibility and relationships going down the drain, Which will then lead into you NOT getting another good job in the near future because you sacrificed your identity on behalf of the lies of ZOLL Lifevest. Wake up people, wake UP!
4) Clinical data that is supplied to the TMs for discussions on risk are a joke. They are all old studies that have zero to do with the Lifevest. Medical management with meds and better intervention techniques provide way better outcomes now then the risk data from Valiant, Cadillac and all the other bullshit studies Zoll tries to use, all these old studies are irrelevant. The risk is already low enough in those old studies when intervention techniques were nowhere near what they are now. With better meds now, better interventional techniques and just all around better practice of treating this disease state, if the Valiant and Cadillac type studies were completed again the risk would DEFINELTY be even lower than the already low number they showed then. THINK ABOUT THAT! It's all wishful thinking, smoke and mirrors selling and scare tactics etc. Absolutely zero evidence-based medicine. This in turn leads to credibility going down the drain. I never ever used any of the clinicals for that single reason, my reputation! Name one other medical device company that is big and well respected that sells with a bunch of clinicals that have nothing to do with their device? It's the most absurd ridiculous thing I have ever seen in the professional medical work world! The lifevest has been out since the early 2000's, and still not in guidelines! Any of you that think it will EVER become guidelines are completely naive and plain old stupid. Lifevest is going on 13 years on the market! Wake up! Is it the current failing "VEST study" that's going get it into guidelines? The study that keeps getting the completion date pushed back due to shitty outcomes so far, and study sites dropping out constantly? Is that the clinical study that's going to get it into guidelines? LOL, If you choose to keep believing your RM or upper leadership that “the lifevest will be in guidelines at some point”, then you can stay under their spell of "wishful thinking”, and then be jobless when the organization fails.

So there you have it, THE TRUTH, so get ready for the following posts from upper leadership with some kind of a ridiculous come back. The facts are the facts and the truth is the truth and I will sit back now and watch Lifevest completely disintegrate down the drain and enjoy every single minute of it because it’s a lie, all of it. I do however believe that the Lifevest is a good piece of equipment for a particular SMALL, and I mean SMALL population. Until Zoll recognizes that and goes back to having one Tm per every 8 hospitals, things will never work long term at Zoll. The Lifevest is appropriate for patients with an EF under 35 with a lot of ectopy or runs of VT and renal failure where electrolyte imbalances go up and down and all over the place. It is also appropriate for patients that have a genetic disorder like long QT syndrome or Brugada and have to wait a very short time to get the ICD put in ( like 1 week). Ultimately if patients are high enough risk whether it's in the waiting period or not, doctors can put in an ICD, that's the bottom-line, which ultimately means the Lifevest is useless. Upper leadership likes to make all of you think that the "waiting periods" are so important and that the doctors really can't implant ICDs in this time frame, But they can. Why do you think they still do it so much? Again it's lies/ deception and wishful thinking from Zoll upper leadership to the doctors and to YOU. I personally think that upper leadership in the organization knows that there's only a couple more years( if that ) of making money off of this piece of equipment and they're hiring all these people to try to get as many orders / revenue as they can right now before everything goes down the drain.


All I can tell anybody reading this is that if you continue to stay at Zoll and wait for that to happen then you have no one but yourself to blame when the ship sinks and you have nowhere to go and can't find a job. You better start that process now! I will not get back on this website and I am done looking at the Zoll board here as I have washed my hands clean of the shit hole place and I'm not looking back at all from this point forward, so if somebody could please copy and paste what I posted and save it and repost it if gets deleted. The reason I say that is because like the title says "Zoll can't handle the truth". So when the truth gets spoken they might attempt to get this post and thread deleted. So somebody keep reposting it if it does get deleted! It shouldn’t get deleted because I intentionally did not state anybody’s name and I followed cafepharma guidelines. It’s all just plain facts and truth.

Just a tidbit of information for all of you. Upper leadership is hiding this currently as best as possible, but it has leaked out and is starting to leak out more that the VEST study keeps getting pushed back to a later date for completion, and that's why you haven’t had any updates on how the study is going thus far. Do any of you realize what that means? I'll tell you what it means coming from a person with a background clinically and in clinical research, it means that the study is not going favorably thus far. Study sites keep dropping out ( because of too many lifevest issues constantly) and there are several other issues going on, One of which is there is not a favorable save rate so far. With that being said, it's leads me into my last and final point, which is, the lifevest just simply is not needed clinically to the degree that this organization believes that it is, and ultimately , that is what is destroying and will continue to destroy the organization. I just hope that when ZOLL destroys the business that another company can pick the lifevest up and actually have a sales model where it is promoted to be used "appropriately" because there is a VERY SMALL, and I mean VERY small percentage of patients that can benefit from the lifevest. Unfortunately that sales model, goals, and objectives will never be something that will happen within the current organization of ZOLL. So the whole product will go down the drain when all reimbursement is pulled from it at some point in time. And that's a shame. Oh, sorry, one last thing I almost forgot, Which is the cherry on top and to add to everything that I stated above ,the company's going to start running into major HIPAA violations as well and that's going to make the job even 10 times harder than it already is. Major HIPAA violations are starting to get exposed (finally) and TMs that have quit or got fired and others are going to attorneys about it right now. I think there's even an email address in the threads now on this site that people are starting to utilize to expose the practices ZOLL is conducting. I would be careful with that email though knowing the upper leadership at Zoll. It’s probably a fake email account that they set up to find out who's telling on them! Do your due diligence to make sure it is an attorney’s office. Anyway, I will finish by saying, don’t worry, this year at the ASM I'm sure they will bring another Jerry Acuff (used car salesman bullshit tactics) and talk about engendered thinking! The whole organization is a joke from A-to-Z. And that my friends, is the TRUTH!

Can we please get back on the topic of the original post here( quoted above)? Nobody wants to hear you couple people bicker and fight with each other about a regional manager in NY . Take your stupid shit to another post thread and stop clogging up the topic above. This original post ( quoted above) was intended to discuss the real issues at this place, not to get off topic talking about one specific manager. None of us give a shit about your petty bullshit in your specific area of the country, all we want to talk about the real true big issues.

 

[Anonymous]

I believe you meant "you're a little light in your loafers" - English is really hard! Also, I am a touch lighter as Ferragamo is made really well and only with the lightest materials.

Then you should have no problem bending at the knee to service the few who were lucky enough to reach plan! Mole trolls are disgusting. Btw loafers are for weddings, buy a pair of shoes so you can go into the field.

 

[Anonymous]

Then you should have no problem bending at the knee to service the few who were lucky enough to reach plan! Mole trolls are disgusting. Btw loafers are for weddings, buy a pair of shoes so you can go into the field.

When all else fails I will take a dump on the windshield of your car.

 

[Anonymous]

Can we please get back on the topic of the original post here( quoted above)? Nobody wants to hear you couple people bicker and fight with each other about a regional manager in NY . Take your stupid shit to another post thread and stop clogging up the topic above. This original post ( quoted above) was intended to discuss the real issues at this place, not to get off topic talking about one specific manager. None of us give a shit about your petty bullshit in your specific area of the country, all we want to talk about the real true big issues.

Yeah like its something we haven't heard before! Thanks for repeating all the shit we've been talking about for years. You got some new take on the issues? Something that the company cares about? 2/3 of the sales force leaves every year? Do they give a shit? Like management says, you don't like it leave! How's that answer sit with you? Is there anything in this earth shattering post that is going to address the company telling you to f- off? You want to be a leader than start a union. If not than sit back and listen.

 

[Anonymous]

Can we please get back on the topic of the original post here( quoted above)? Nobody wants to hear you couple people bicker and fight with each other about a regional manager in NY . Take your stupid shit to another post thread and stop clogging up the topic above. This original post ( quoted above) was intended to discuss the real issues at this place, not to get off topic talking about one specific manager. None of us give a shit about your petty bullshit in your specific area of the country, all we want to talk about the real true big issues.

Of all the "bickering" that could have occurred in this forum/site, it has been relatively slim. Obviously the NY RM is a clown, the rep is pissed and is calling the RM out. I would say the scenario playing out is representative across the country and just validates the void in leadership as a whole and the culture of the organization. Even with that statement, many do recognize that good people exist here.....not many and not for long.

 

[Anonymous]

Of all the "bickering" that could have occurred in this forum/site, it has been relatively slim. Obviously the NY RM is a clown, the rep is pissed and is calling the RM out. I would say the scenario playing out is representative across the country and just validates the void in leadership as a whole and the culture of the organization. Even with that statement, many do recognize that good people exist here.....not many and not for long.

Well said! 100% on point

 

[Anonymous]

leadership knows about all the issues, they just don't care because they are on a 2-3 year plan, tops. They know Medicare is going to pull reimbursement after our study fails, which it already is.

 

[Anonymous]

leadership knows about all the issues, they just don't care because they are on a 2-3 year plan, tops. They know Medicare is going to pull reimbursement after our study fails, which it already is.

This is so true. this is why all of the smart people have started quitting this company and all of the smart people, which there are very few of them at this company anymore, are looking desperately to get out.

 

[Anonymous]

Here is the TRUTH and the reality of ZOLL Lifevest.
Are you ready upper leadership? Also, to every useless, loser, laid off pharmaceutical district manager that's now a ZOLL RM (because that's who ZOLL hires because that's all they can get ! any QUALITY people don't apply or reject to take the job after researching it),So, to all of you, are you ready?
Here it goes......The Lifevest is not a "True" medical device, the Lifevest is a durable medical piece of equipment. Hence the reason why it bills through insurance as DME (durable medical equipment). So for all the wannabe people that could never get into "true" medical devices and are at ZOLL now and to all the reject leadership people that failed elsewhere that landed at ZOLL( all upper leadership and every Area Director, and most RM's), STOP acting like you're something that you’re NOT. ZOLL tries to put on some kind of front like you are supposed to be in the Cath Labs and EP labs, etc. Give me a break. The Lifevest has absolutely nothing to do with procedures and what's going on in the Cath Lab or EP lab! Lifevest territory managers are the laughing stock of reps in the Cardiology sector. Everyone walks around in their scrubs and acts like they are some important medical device rep, it's pathetic and embarrassing actually. What you don't realize is everyone is looking at you wondering what the hell you're doing there when you’re at their facility, and then they say shit about you behind your back as you leave. I was a TM for a short time with ZOLL ,ONLY to get some extra money for a year while I was working my other "real and credible" device job because I was told by other reps that you only have to work about 5 hours a week and that the company is so dumb that they don't even realize it, So I did it! Boy were they right I have to say. Hey Mr. President and VP, just so you're aware of it, most of your RM's don't work either, MANY do not ride in the field at all whatsoever and bullshit their field ride reports etc. and do nothing! Wake up you morons! Anyway, taking the paychecks for doing virtually nothing was great until the device and all the issues that surround it started hurting my credibility and it started hurting my reputation and relationships, so I made my money and resigned before it permanently damaged my identity. I was at that point only after a year. I guess the easy money and doing nothing kept me there for the 1 year I was with Zoll.

Okay, let's get to the more important stuff now shall we?

The Lifevest:

1) is a uncomfortable wearable piece of equipment that patients hate, leading to a horrible experience with comfort issues and constant FALSE alarming and Gonging. In addition the company has a tech-support that doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground and there are many many things that occur daily and constantly that could be lawsuits.

2) Patients get a huge co-pay and the doctors constantly get bothered about it when patients come in for their office visits (The co-pay is always an issue because the PSR's and TMs lie about insurance coverages to get the patient fit). Nice huh? Nice morals! And if it's not a co-pay it's either an insurance denial and the full amount is due by the patient and then the doctor goes on to do a peer-to-peer and they always fail as well. So doctors are either getting bothered about money/ coverage with the Lifevest or comfort/ alarm issues. One or the other. All for a device that has a 1% save rate, which is even questionable. Oh sorry, I almost forgot another issue, if it's not financials or patient issues it's the constant paperwork and issues and exceptions with everything that tm's send in for approval because the loser $8 / hr people in corporate masturbate while they deny things because it makes them feel powerful. Again, everything about the organization is a joke!

3) Has roughly a 1% chance of even treating somebody with a vt/ vf event. And to even add to those treatment rates a good percentage of those would have self terminated on their own and not ended in mortality anyway. Any percentages you get over 1% are totally made up magnified fuzzy math numbers that marketing comes up with. (IE. When at an ASM in front of the whole company a person from marketing scrambled for something up on stage in his briefcase when a Tm raised hand in the audience and asked a question about where he came up with his bullshit risk percentage, and he didn't have it to substantiate and prove a percentage he was giving). It's embarrassing, this isn't a used car sales dealership where you just come up with numbers and manipulate things to look good because you want them to look good. Or is Zoll just like a used car dealership lot? Maybe the company should be called ZOLL used medical equipment lot? Because that's how slimy and sneaky the marketing department is with their so called "clinical data". Additionally the 1% of saves that zoll gets that were true saves that would have degenerated to VF and death, almost all those people are dead within 3 to 4 months after being treated by the Lifevest anyway. They are just very sick people at end-stage heart failure and pump function failure. Medicare will be looking at this over the next couple years if not sooner and reimbursement will be drastically reduced or eliminated completely. Even with the Lifevest saving a very tiny small amount of patients, take a look at the cost burden to the healthcare system of money spent versus lives saved. Take a look at other posts on here that people have posted about the cost per life saved math with Lifevest , it's absolutely unbelievably ridiculous. It's a joke, and that's why it is not in guidelines and never will be! And to add to it as I stated before, the questionable "saves" ZOLL gets are usually never patients that go on to live a long time, they die within the next 3 to 6 months, and it's not an enjoyable 4-6 of quality living either! Anyway, you can choose to believe all the bullshit with LVN 2.0 and heart failure monitoring with the current POA and all the smoke and mirror lies. The current POA is just a continuation of ZOLL marketing selling the Lifevest as something that it is NOT! It’s all lies and they will not continue to get away with smoke and mirrors. If you're that stupid to buy into their horseshit, then you deserve to be at Zoll and stay there and fall under their spell of wishful thinking which will lead to your credibility and relationships going down the drain, Which will then lead into you NOT getting another good job in the near future because you sacrificed your identity on behalf of the lies of ZOLL Lifevest. Wake up people, wake UP!
4) Clinical data that is supplied to the TMs for discussions on risk are a joke. They are all old studies that have zero to do with the Lifevest. Medical management with meds and better intervention techniques provide way better outcomes now then the risk data from Valiant, Cadillac and all the other bullshit studies Zoll tries to use, all these old studies are irrelevant. The risk is already low enough in those old studies when intervention techniques were nowhere near what they are now. With better meds now, better interventional techniques and just all around better practice of treating this disease state, if the Valiant and Cadillac type studies were completed again the risk would DEFINELTY be even lower than the already low number they showed then. THINK ABOUT THAT! It's all wishful thinking, smoke and mirrors selling and scare tactics etc. Absolutely zero evidence-based medicine. This in turn leads to credibility going down the drain. I never ever used any of the clinicals for that single reason, my reputation! Name one other medical device company that is big and well respected that sells with a bunch of clinicals that have nothing to do with their device? It's the most absurd ridiculous thing I have ever seen in the professional medical work world! The lifevest has been out since the early 2000's, and still not in guidelines! Any of you that think it will EVER become guidelines are completely naive and plain old stupid. Lifevest is going on 13 years on the market! Wake up! Is it the current failing "VEST study" that's going get it into guidelines? The study that keeps getting the completion date pushed back due to shitty outcomes so far, and study sites dropping out constantly? Is that the clinical study that's going to get it into guidelines? LOL, If you choose to keep believing your RM or upper leadership that “the lifevest will be in guidelines at some point”, then you can stay under their spell of "wishful thinking”, and then be jobless when the organization fails.

So there you have it, THE TRUTH, so get ready for the following posts from upper leadership with some kind of a ridiculous come back. The facts are the facts and the truth is the truth and I will sit back now and watch Lifevest completely disintegrate down the drain and enjoy every single minute of it because it’s a lie, all of it. I do however believe that the Lifevest is a good piece of equipment for a particular SMALL, and I mean SMALL population. Until Zoll recognizes that and goes back to having one Tm per every 8 hospitals, things will never work long term at Zoll. The Lifevest is appropriate for patients with an EF under 35 with a lot of ectopy or runs of VT and renal failure where electrolyte imbalances go up and down and all over the place. It is also appropriate for patients that have a genetic disorder like long QT syndrome or Brugada and have to wait a very short time to get the ICD put in ( like 1 week). Ultimately if patients are high enough risk whether it's in the waiting period or not, doctors can put in an ICD, that's the bottom-line, which ultimately means the Lifevest is useless. Upper leadership likes to make all of you think that the "waiting periods" are so important and that the doctors really can't implant ICDs in this time frame, But they can. Why do you think they still do it so much? Again it's lies/ deception and wishful thinking from Zoll upper leadership to the doctors and to YOU. I personally think that upper leadership in the organization knows that there's only a couple more years( if that ) of making money off of this piece of equipment and they're hiring all these people to try to get as many orders / revenue as they can right now before everything goes down the drain.


All I can tell anybody reading this is that if you continue to stay at Zoll and wait for that to happen then you have no one but yourself to blame when the ship sinks and you have nowhere to go and can't find a job. You better start that process now! I will not get back on this website and I am done looking at the Zoll board here as I have washed my hands clean of the shit hole place and I'm not looking back at all from this point forward, so if somebody could please copy and paste what I posted and save it and repost it if gets deleted. The reason I say that is because like the title says "Zoll can't handle the truth". So when the truth gets spoken they might attempt to get this post and thread deleted. So somebody keep reposting it if it does get deleted! It shouldn’t get deleted because I intentionally did not state anybody’s name and I followed cafepharma guidelines. It’s all just plain facts and truth.

Just a tidbit of information for all of you. Upper leadership is hiding this currently as best as possible, but it has leaked out and is starting to leak out more that the VEST study keeps getting pushed back to a later date for completion, and that's why you haven’t had any updates on how the study is going thus far. Do any of you realize what that means? I'll tell you what it means coming from a person with a background clinically and in clinical research, it means that the study is not going favorably thus far. Study sites keep dropping out ( because of too many lifevest issues constantly) and there are several other issues going on, One of which is there is not a favorable save rate so far. With that being said, it's leads me into my last and final point, which is, the lifevest just simply is not needed clinically to the degree that this organization believes that it is, and ultimately , that is what is destroying and will continue to destroy the organization. I just hope that when ZOLL destroys the business that another company can pick the lifevest up and actually have a sales model where it is promoted to be used "appropriately" because there is a VERY SMALL, and I mean VERY small percentage of patients that can benefit from the lifevest. Unfortunately that sales model, goals, and objectives will never be something that will happen within the current organization of ZOLL. So the whole product will go down the drain when all reimbursement is pulled from it at some point in time. And that's a shame. Oh, sorry, one last thing I almost forgot, Which is the cherry on top and to add to everything that I stated above ,the company's going to start running into major HIPAA violations as well and that's going to make the job even 10 times harder than it already is. Major HIPAA violations are starting to get exposed (finally) and TMs that have quit or got fired and others are going to attorneys about it right now. I think there's even an email address in the threads now on this site that people are starting to utilize to expose the practices ZOLL is conducting. I would be careful with that email though knowing the upper leadership at Zoll. It’s probably a fake email account that they set up to find out who's telling on them! Do your due diligence to make sure it is an attorney’s office. Anyway, I will finish by saying, don’t worry, this year at the ASM I'm sure they will bring another Jerry Acuff (used car salesman bullshit tactics) and talk about engendered thinking! The whole organization is a joke from A-to-Z. And that my friends, is the TRUTH!

This is a great post. It really is the truth. I wish it wasn't, but it is : (

 

[Anonymous]

Here is the TRUTH and the reality of ZOLL Lifevest.
Are you ready upper leadership? Also, to every useless, loser, laid off pharmaceutical district manager that's now a ZOLL RM (because that's who ZOLL hires because that's all they can get ! any QUALITY people don't apply or reject to take the job after researching it),So, to all of you, are you ready?
Here it goes......The Lifevest is not a "True" medical device, the Lifevest is a durable medical piece of equipment. Hence the reason why it bills through insurance as DME (durable medical equipment). So for all the wannabe people that could never get into "true" medical devices and are at ZOLL now and to all the reject leadership people that failed elsewhere that landed at ZOLL( all upper leadership and every Area Director, and most RM's), STOP acting like you're something that you’re NOT. ZOLL tries to put on some kind of front like you are supposed to be in the Cath Labs and EP labs, etc. Give me a break. The Lifevest has absolutely nothing to do with procedures and what's going on in the Cath Lab or EP lab! Lifevest territory managers are the laughing stock of reps in the Cardiology sector. Everyone walks around in their scrubs and acts like they are some important medical device rep, it's pathetic and embarrassing actually. What you don't realize is everyone is looking at you wondering what the hell you're doing there when you’re at their facility, and then they say shit about you behind your back as you leave. I was a TM for a short time with ZOLL ,ONLY to get some extra money for a year while I was working my other "real and credible" device job because I was told by other reps that you only have to work about 5 hours a week and that the company is so dumb that they don't even realize it, So I did it! Boy were they right I have to say. Hey Mr. President and VP, just so you're aware of it, most of your RM's don't work either, MANY do not ride in the field at all whatsoever and bullshit their field ride reports etc. and do nothing! Wake up you morons! Anyway, taking the paychecks for doing virtually nothing was great until the device and all the issues that surround it started hurting my credibility and it started hurting my reputation and relationships, so I made my money and resigned before it permanently damaged my identity. I was at that point only after a year. I guess the easy money and doing nothing kept me there for the 1 year I was with Zoll.

Okay, let's get to the more important stuff now shall we?

The Lifevest:

1) is a uncomfortable wearable piece of equipment that patients hate, leading to a horrible experience with comfort issues and constant FALSE alarming and Gonging. In addition the company has a tech-support that doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground and there are many many things that occur daily and constantly that could be lawsuits.

2) Patients get a huge co-pay and the doctors constantly get bothered about it when patients come in for their office visits (The co-pay is always an issue because the PSR's and TMs lie about insurance coverages to get the patient fit). Nice huh? Nice morals! And if it's not a co-pay it's either an insurance denial and the full amount is due by the patient and then the doctor goes on to do a peer-to-peer and they always fail as well. So doctors are either getting bothered about money/ coverage with the Lifevest or comfort/ alarm issues. One or the other. All for a device that has a 1% save rate, which is even questionable. Oh sorry, I almost forgot another issue, if it's not financials or patient issues it's the constant paperwork and issues and exceptions with everything that tm's send in for approval because the loser $8 / hr people in corporate masturbate while they deny things because it makes them feel powerful. Again, everything about the organization is a joke!

3) Has roughly a 1% chance of even treating somebody with a vt/ vf event. And to even add to those treatment rates a good percentage of those would have self terminated on their own and not ended in mortality anyway. Any percentages you get over 1% are totally made up magnified fuzzy math numbers that marketing comes up with. (IE. When at an ASM in front of the whole company a person from marketing scrambled for something up on stage in his briefcase when a Tm raised hand in the audience and asked a question about where he came up with his bullshit risk percentage, and he didn't have it to substantiate and prove a percentage he was giving). It's embarrassing, this isn't a used car sales dealership where you just come up with numbers and manipulate things to look good because you want them to look good. Or is Zoll just like a used car dealership lot? Maybe the company should be called ZOLL used medical equipment lot? Because that's how slimy and sneaky the marketing department is with their so called "clinical data". Additionally the 1% of saves that zoll gets that were true saves that would have degenerated to VF and death, almost all those people are dead within 3 to 4 months after being treated by the Lifevest anyway. They are just very sick people at end-stage heart failure and pump function failure. Medicare will be looking at this over the next couple years if not sooner and reimbursement will be drastically reduced or eliminated completely. Even with the Lifevest saving a very tiny small amount of patients, take a look at the cost burden to the healthcare system of money spent versus lives saved. Take a look at other posts on here that people have posted about the cost per life saved math with Lifevest , it's absolutely unbelievably ridiculous. It's a joke, and that's why it is not in guidelines and never will be! And to add to it as I stated before, the questionable "saves" ZOLL gets are usually never patients that go on to live a long time, they die within the next 3 to 6 months, and it's not an enjoyable 4-6 of quality living either! Anyway, you can choose to believe all the bullshit with LVN 2.0 and heart failure monitoring with the current POA and all the smoke and mirror lies. The current POA is just a continuation of ZOLL marketing selling the Lifevest as something that it is NOT! It’s all lies and they will not continue to get away with smoke and mirrors. If you're that stupid to buy into their horseshit, then you deserve to be at Zoll and stay there and fall under their spell of wishful thinking which will lead to your credibility and relationships going down the drain, Which will then lead into you NOT getting another good job in the near future because you sacrificed your identity on behalf of the lies of ZOLL Lifevest. Wake up people, wake UP!
4) Clinical data that is supplied to the TMs for discussions on risk are a joke. They are all old studies that have zero to do with the Lifevest. Medical management with meds and better intervention techniques provide way better outcomes now then the risk data from Valiant, Cadillac and all the other bullshit studies Zoll tries to use, all these old studies are irrelevant. The risk is already low enough in those old studies when intervention techniques were nowhere near what they are now. With better meds now, better interventional techniques and just all around better practice of treating this disease state, if the Valiant and Cadillac type studies were completed again the risk would DEFINELTY be even lower than the already low number they showed then. THINK ABOUT THAT! It's all wishful thinking, smoke and mirrors selling and scare tactics etc. Absolutely zero evidence-based medicine. This in turn leads to credibility going down the drain. I never ever used any of the clinicals for that single reason, my reputation! Name one other medical device company that is big and well respected that sells with a bunch of clinicals that have nothing to do with their device? It's the most absurd ridiculous thing I have ever seen in the professional medical work world! The lifevest has been out since the early 2000's, and still not in guidelines! Any of you that think it will EVER become guidelines are completely naive and plain old stupid. Lifevest is going on 13 years on the market! Wake up! Is it the current failing "VEST study" that's going get it into guidelines? The study that keeps getting the completion date pushed back due to shitty outcomes so far, and study sites dropping out constantly? Is that the clinical study that's going to get it into guidelines? LOL, If you choose to keep believing your RM or upper leadership that “the lifevest will be in guidelines at some point”, then you can stay under their spell of "wishful thinking”, and then be jobless when the organization fails.

So there you have it, THE TRUTH, so get ready for the following posts from upper leadership with some kind of a ridiculous come back. The facts are the facts and the truth is the truth and I will sit back now and watch Lifevest completely disintegrate down the drain and enjoy every single minute of it because it’s a lie, all of it. I do however believe that the Lifevest is a good piece of equipment for a particular SMALL, and I mean SMALL population. Until Zoll recognizes that and goes back to having one Tm per every 8 hospitals, things will never work long term at Zoll. The Lifevest is appropriate for patients with an EF under 35 with a lot of ectopy or runs of VT and renal failure where electrolyte imbalances go up and down and all over the place. It is also appropriate for patients that have a genetic disorder like long QT syndrome or Brugada and have to wait a very short time to get the ICD put in ( like 1 week). Ultimately if patients are high enough risk whether it's in the waiting period or not, doctors can put in an ICD, that's the bottom-line, which ultimately means the Lifevest is useless. Upper leadership likes to make all of you think that the "waiting periods" are so important and that the doctors really can't implant ICDs in this time frame, But they can. Why do you think they still do it so much? Again it's lies/ deception and wishful thinking from Zoll upper leadership to the doctors and to YOU. I personally think that upper leadership in the organization knows that there's only a couple more years( if that ) of making money off of this piece of equipment and they're hiring all these people to try to get as many orders / revenue as they can right now before everything goes down the drain.


All I can tell anybody reading this is that if you continue to stay at Zoll and wait for that to happen then you have no one but yourself to blame when the ship sinks and you have nowhere to go and can't find a job. You better start that process now! I will not get back on this website and I am done looking at the Zoll board here as I have washed my hands clean of the shit hole place and I'm not looking back at all from this point forward, so if somebody could please copy and paste what I posted and save it and repost it if gets deleted. The reason I say that is because like the title says "Zoll can't handle the truth". So when the truth gets spoken they might attempt to get this post and thread deleted. So somebody keep reposting it if it does get deleted! It shouldn’t get deleted because I intentionally did not state anybody’s name and I followed cafepharma guidelines. It’s all just plain facts and truth.

Just a tidbit of information for all of you. Upper leadership is hiding this currently as best as possible, but it has leaked out and is starting to leak out more that the VEST study keeps getting pushed back to a later date for completion, and that's why you haven’t had any updates on how the study is going thus far. Do any of you realize what that means? I'll tell you what it means coming from a person with a background clinically and in clinical research, it means that the study is not going favorably thus far. Study sites keep dropping out ( because of too many lifevest issues constantly) and there are several other issues going on, One of which is there is not a favorable save rate so far. With that being said, it's leads me into my last and final point, which is, the lifevest just simply is not needed clinically to the degree that this organization believes that it is, and ultimately , that is what is destroying and will continue to destroy the organization. I just hope that when ZOLL destroys the business that another company can pick the lifevest up and actually have a sales model where it is promoted to be used "appropriately" because there is a VERY SMALL, and I mean VERY small percentage of patients that can benefit from the lifevest. Unfortunately that sales model, goals, and objectives will never be something that will happen within the current organization of ZOLL. So the whole product will go down the drain when all reimbursement is pulled from it at some point in time. And that's a shame. Oh, sorry, one last thing I almost forgot, Which is the cherry on top and to add to everything that I stated above ,the company's going to start running into major HIPAA violations as well and that's going to make the job even 10 times harder than it already is. Major HIPAA violations are starting to get exposed (finally) and TMs that have quit or got fired and others are going to attorneys about it right now. I think there's even an email address in the threads now on this site that people are starting to utilize to expose the practices ZOLL is conducting. I would be careful with that email though knowing the upper leadership at Zoll. It’s probably a fake email account that they set up to find out who's telling on them! Do your due diligence to make sure it is an attorney’s office. Anyway, I will finish by saying, don’t worry, this year at the ASM I'm sure they will bring another Jerry Acuff (used car salesman bullshit tactics) and talk about engendered thinking! The whole organization is a joke from A-to-Z. And that my friends, is the TRUTH!

Priceless post/thread ! Thank you to whoever spent the time to type this up. All 100% factual and true

 

[Anonymous]

The VP of sales quits one week prior to a national sales meeting for just the salesforce. If that is not the biggest eye-opening red flag to anybody that still questions the legitimacy of this organization, then you are this most unintelligent stupid ass person on the planet!

 

[Anonymous]

No kidding!

 

[Anonymous]

I saw the Zoll booth at SCCM this past weekend. Nice looking and very busy traffic this year. Nice job to the crew working it and keeping a positive outlook on a wonderful life saving device!!

I have over 80 Pt and NO SAVES Explain to the physician how its saving there patients lives???? They have plenty of complaints of alarms and discomfort he tells me about them every time and decrease his use!!!

 

[anonymous]

I have an interview coming up with the Zoll lifevest . As I read through the posts/ threads on this site the original post to this thread ,it's very long, seems like it was written by somebody intelligent and it seems like with the way that it's written that there's a likelihood of being factual information. Could somebody please verify credibility or discredit the original thread statements for this post? It's very long and states a lot of different issues. If you are going to discredit it, could you please outline and give the reasoning why you discredit it for validity? Seems like whenever there is somebody from management or somebody that's pro for the company, the responses are very generic and weak. If Nobody on this site can discredit it and give factual reasoning to discredit it, I'm going to assume that it's all factual and cancel my interview. Thank you for your help

 

[anonymous]

I have an interview coming up with the Zoll lifevest . As I read through the posts/ threads on this site the original post to this thread ,it's very long, seems like it was written by somebody intelligent and it seems like with the way that it's written that there's a likelihood of being factual information. Could somebody please verify credibility or discredit the original thread statements for this post? It's very long and states a lot of different issues. If you are going to discredit it, could you please outline and give the reasoning why you discredit it for validity? Seems like whenever there is somebody from management or somebody that's pro for the company, the responses are very generic and weak. If Nobody on this site can discredit it and give factual reasoning to discredit it, I'm going to assume that it's all factual and cancel my interview. Thank you for your help

Zoll men don't cancel appointments. You may not be cut out for this line of work. Go back to getting signatures Pharma Boy!

 

[anonymous]

Zoll men don't cancel appointments. You may not be cut out for this line of work. Go back to getting signatures Pharma Boy!

Yeah no pussies allowed 4Real. Someone doesn't write for a vest, we shame them and beat the hell out of them with partners. "what you ok with someone dying? Remind me to tell my friends not to get help from you". Shut up about cost..how much a funeral $10K pine box...cmon 4Real.

 

[anonymous]

Yeah no pussies allowed 4Real. Someone doesn't write for a vest, we shame them and beat the hell out of them with partners. "what you ok with someone dying? Remind me to tell my friends not to get help from you". Shut up about cost..how much a funeral $10K pine box...cmon 4Real.

and if that doesn't work you smother them with the parachute analogy....what a horrible pit of a place to work...geez.

 

[anonymous]

Yeah no pussies allowed 4Real. Someone doesn't write for a vest, we shame them and beat the hell out of them with partners. "what you ok with someone dying? Remind me to tell my friends not to get help from you". Shut up about cost..how much a funeral $10K pine box...cmon 4Real.

You sound like a real life Zoll Sollja paid to keep it rowdy. Get at me dog!!

 

[anonymous]

I have an interview coming up with the Zoll lifevest . As I read through the posts/ threads on this site the original post to this thread ,it's very long, seems like it was written by somebody intelligent and it seems like with the way that it's written that there's a likelihood of being factual information. Could somebody please verify credibility or discredit the original thread statements for this post? It's very long and states a lot of different issues. If you are going to discredit it, could you please outline and give the reasoning why you discredit it for validity? Seems like whenever there is somebody from management or somebody that's pro for the company, the responses are very generic and weak. If Nobody on this site can discredit it and give factual reasoning to discredit it, I'm going to assume that it's all factual and cancel my interview. Thank you for your help

Everything you have read is true. Some of it depends on one's perspective, but really at the end of the day, it is all true. This is a very dysfunctional place .. as if it is run by college drop outs making it up as they go. You won't see it fully until you are 6 months in, and then you'll realize your income depends on this management and you'll nearly faint.