Why Silenor,when a pill cutter will do!

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"FDA does not waste their comments talking about old drugs."

i think people should do their homework before talking so much trash. the fda DID, in approving silenor, make comments warning against taking over 6mg in a day. (i.e. it essentially commented against taking 10 mg doxepin). it's on the official fda-mandated label for silenor.

anyway, i think my small-time investment -- which is quite small, i can assure you -- makes me much less "biased" than the angry, unhappy people on this message board, who quite clearly have their own stubborn, angry biases. i'll take my comments elsewhere, happily.

good luck. i hope your nastiness is something you just do on the internet and that you don't treat people like this in real life. you seem like unhappy people.

cheers and goodbye!!
 






Anonymous said:
But silenor *does* have a unique profile. Generic doxepin is only available at 10mg, causes side effects, and the fda warns against that dose for insomnia treatment. As for other sleep meds, every single one but silenor is a controlled substance, and is also habit/dependence-forming and/or has abuse potential. So it seems to me that silenor is very unique.

Also, if it goes otc, isn't that a good sign for the drug ?
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Plain to see that you don't know the market,as Rozerem is NOT a controlled substance! Also a drug going OTC within the first year is not a good sign,it's a sign of failure in the rx market.
 






Good point, but then again, it is common knowledge that Rozarem doesn't actually work (right?)

Are there other drugs that have recently failed in the Rx market but gone OTC?

I assume silenor folks would have to slash prices (big time) if they go OTC, right?
 






LarryBeGerry said:
Good point, but then again, it is common knowledge that Rozarem doesn't actually work (right?)

Are there other drugs that have recently failed in the Rx market but gone OTC?

I assume silenor folks would have to slash prices (big time) if they go OTC, right?
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Rozerem does work,just not as fast as A/L which just knock you out,and the MOA is different.Recently an acid reflux went otc when it couldn't capture rx's,but there are others as well! Definite price drop WHEN it goes otc,which is its only way to any success,given the sleep aids being dominated by generics!
 






Interesting, thanks. Is there no role for sales rep if it goes OTC? I'm new to this.

I personally think silenor is likely to succeed, but who knows. Somebody said that if it goes OTC that's a sign of failure. But isn't it also true that P&G will want to take this to OTC even if it's a success? Or would that mean less money?
 






Anonymous said:
Interesting, thanks. Is there no role for sales rep if it goes OTC? I'm new to this.

I personally think silenor is likely to succeed, but who knows. Somebody said that if it goes OTC that's a sign of failure. But isn't it also true that P&G will want to take this to OTC even if it's a success? Or would that mean less money?
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I don't mean to be rude,but it doesn't matter what you think,it matters what the physicians think,and they feel VERY comfortable with the generics out there right now,and with Ambien CR and Lunesta going generic soon,there will be so many generic options,they WILL NOT right for a"lower strength version" of Dioxopin.Don't take my word for it,ask the physicians,and also ask yourself if you would pay$150 a month vs.a $4 generic that has a similar MOA??????Also when drugs go OTC,t.v. ads take the place of the rep! You aren't needed anymore.
 






Anonymous said:
Interesting, thanks. Is there no role for sales rep if it goes OTC? I'm new to this.

I personally think silenor is likely to succeed, but who knows. Somebody said that if it goes OTC that's a sign of failure. But isn't it also true that P&G will want to take this to OTC even if it's a success? Or would that mean less money?
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OTC means less money per pill but fixed costs (reps, samples, etc.) are much less and the units sold will increase. Bottom line is that it will likely make more money as a brand but less money per pill. BTW, the only chance this brand has of success is OTC. That will become apparent to you soon enough.
 






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OTC means less money per pill but fixed costs (reps, samples, etc.) are much less and the units sold will increase. Bottom line is that it will likely make more money as a brand but less money per pill. BTW, the only chance this brand has of success is OTC. That will become apparent to you soon enough.
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It is apparent to Somaxon because the co-promote is with P&G,who got out of the prescription market last fall to concentrate on OTC.How much plainer can it get????
 






Anonymous said:
I don't mean to be rude,but it doesn't matter what you think,it matters what the physicians think,and they feel VERY comfortable with the generics out there right now,and with Ambien CR and Lunesta going generic soon,there will be so many generic options,they WILL NOT right for a"lower strength version" of Dioxopin.Don't take my word for it,ask the physicians,and also ask yourself if you would pay$150 a month vs.a $4 generic that has a similar MOA??????Also when drugs go OTC,t.v. ads take the place of the rep! You aren't needed anymore.
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this seems a bit rude actually; we're all just posting what we think. anyway, my doctor contacts, while limited, do appear interested in silenor b/c there's no other easy way to get the 3mg dose (other than dumping out 2/3 of a capsule maybe?). and 6mg will be too much for a huge subset of population (e.g. elderly)
 






Anonymous said:
this seems a bit rude actually; we're all just posting what we think. anyway, my doctor contacts, while limited, do appear interested in silenor b/c there's no other easy way to get the 3mg dose (other than dumping out 2/3 of a capsule maybe?). and 6mg will be too much for a huge subset of population (e.g. elderly)
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#1 sleep med for elderly is Seroquel 25/50mg.
 






Anonymous said:
this seems a bit rude actually; we're all just posting what we think. anyway, my doctor contacts, while limited, do appear interested in silenor b/c there's no other easy way to get the 3mg dose (other than dumping out 2/3 of a capsule maybe?). and 6mg will be too much for a huge subset of population (e.g. elderly)[/QUOT

People that have sold sleep aids before feel free to state your experiences.It is apparent that you never have because you speak about present "interest".When interest gets the physician to write a prescription,let us know when that is.Also why is it that there are still openings to sell this "blockbuster"!!!!!
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"When interest gets the physician to write a prescription,let us know when that is."

OK, per your request, I'm letting you know that the prescription has been called in. I'm picking it up at CVS tomorrow.
 






Anonymous said:
"When interest gets the physician to write a prescription,let us know when that is."

OK, per your request, I'm letting you know that the prescription has been called in. I'm picking it up at CVS tomorrow.
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I have 5 family members and three pharma friends filling their prescriptions. should be top ranked first month
 






Anonymous said:
"When interest gets the physician to write a prescription,let us know when that is."

OK, per your request, I'm letting you know that the prescription has been called in. I'm picking it up at CVS tomorrow.
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WOW!That easy with a new drug! No PA,no having to fail on generic Ambien first! You are going to make all kinds of bonus money.Kid yourself but don't try to kid the rest of us! BS!
 






Anonymous said:
I have 5 family members and three pharma friends filling their prescriptions. should be top ranked first month
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Yeh,and Silenor will be the #1 sleep aid by December!Quit wasting time BS us,and go out and REALLY sell it.Also when the Medical Letter comes out and exposes to the physicians what Silenor is about,you won't have a credible leg to stand on.
 






Anonymous said:
Interesting, thanks. Is there no role for sales rep if it goes OTC? I'm new to this.

I personally think silenor is likely to succeed, but who knows. Somebody said that if it goes OTC that's a sign of failure. But isn't it also true that P&G will want to take this to OTC even if it's a success? Or would that mean less money?
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Hey, new guy. Why does anyone care what you personally think? It's a dog....with fleas.

If you have to ask these questions then you don't belong here. Does the company really think reps with your knowledge and backgrounds can sell this drug?
 






Anonymous said:
WOW!That easy with a new drug! No PA,no having to fail on generic Ambien first! You are going to make all kinds of bonus money.Kid yourself but don't try to kid the rest of us! BS!
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I'm not a drug/sales rep. (That's your cue to tell me to get lost again, as if only reps could opine on whether this drug will succeed or not, which is the subject of this thread.) I do have very good insurance, and a very good doctor, which might partially explain the ease with which I got this great stuff.

BTW, if you do some rudimentary google searching (which you apparently have not), you'll find that some insurance companies will require PA and a prior generic-Ambien fail before covering Silenor, but not all insurance companies require that. Some of them clearly don't. Do a little web surfing and you can find it quick. My BCBS covered it -- I paid $30 for 30 days (though I see that BCBS in other areas impose stricter rules.)
 
























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