Only purpose is to get a better job? Wow. So sad you feel that way!
There IS much more to life beyond pharma!
Best to you as the industry continues to shrink, and the need for reps diminishes.
Why Do You Guys Complain So Much?
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Only purpose is to get a better job? Wow. So sad you feel that way!
There IS much more to life beyond pharma!
Best to you as the industry continues to shrink, and the need for reps diminishes.
Tis true. Im a current biotech rep. Been doing it for over 10 years. Not sure what these bitches are whining about. One thing I can tell you is that these douchebags here on CP don't represent the majority. The positive people and the ones that enjoy pharma stay off this piece of shit site. Why? Because it's a bitching post. Everybody comes here to unload their negative shit.
I've looked at getting out of the industry years ago when I lost my job due to downsizing and I looked. There was NOTHING out there that paid as well, offered the cool perks such as a company car, cell phone allowance, printing allowance, expense account, office supplies, WiFi allowance, stamps, tolls, parking...There was NOTHING out there like that and there still isn't really. You really think these people would be happier being a teacher? A lawyer or owning their own business? Do you honestly think these dumbasses on here wouldn't have the same headaches as what we deal with everyday? Of course, they would. And anybody that says their job is the best and they never have to deal with any of this shit is indeed full of shit themselves. So, not sure OP if you come back periodically and read this trash, but I for one love what I do. Is it perfect? No. But no job is. These pre-Madonna's don't really know how great they have it. Until it's gone. then they bitch about that. Do yourself a favor. Find a local rep that's been around a few years and get his or her opinion. Don't come on here looking for help. These dweebs are washed-up dickwads that wouldn't know a good thing if it hit them in the Vagina.
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Your post is solid except that teaching is a better gig if you know how to do it...you actually make more per hour and have stronger benefits and an incredible pension.
intentional or not...this is hysterical. the term is prima donna. pre-madonna? same thing!
FORMER pharma here. Left BEFORE it was too late. maintained salary, perks of pharma and moved on. you need to do before your salary is toooo high, and you are too old.
best of luck to all finding something else...as it is tough only having pharma on your resume.
um. Teachers make about 50-60K per year down here in Florida. They don't get paid shit. Pensions yes and pretty good health benefits but they don't get a car, car insurance, cell phone allowance, Wifi paid for, postage tolls etc taken care of. Not even close.
This is very true. I would also add that there are an abundance of incompetent managers in this industry and often directives that are metric driven driven which actually can have an adverse effect on your customers or simply are not realistic or logical.
I am a career rep. Never been laid off. Been consistently successful. I have had times where I loved my job. This has been when I have had my own territory, a manager that leaves me alone, and I could really see that I was creating value and making a difference for my customers. Then there are times for no reason -- a company will double the sales force and a new head of sales will come in. Now I have a pod partner (who is worthless) and a manager (who is equally worthless). Communicating with these two is a mind sucking experience. My manager is also required to ride with me for 2 consecutive days virtually every month. I have been a successful Pharma sales rep for almost 20 years and for 2 days out of every month, I am forced to have my sales calls evaluated. Should I complain about this? probably not. Do I- yes. Why? I don't know. It does feel good to vent about the stupidity we are forced to endure.
I do not encourage anyone- ever - to get into this industry.
I have been doing this too long to get out now. If I could rewind- I would have gotten a law degree, Pharm D, anything else.
After all these years, I have a nice 401k, lots of good friends who are physicians. But an extreme emptiness. And the painful awareness that none of these companies has valued, past or present, what I have contributed. I do know that a lot of my customers (physicians), prescribed alot of drugs (for the right reasons)because I had compelling discussions with them. I have never asked doctors to prescribe anything as a favor for me.
So why am I so bitter? Because I know that I have done a good job, am respected by my longtime customers but treated like a brain damaged kindergarten student -eventually - by every company I have worked for. Additionally, I am forced to work for someone or with someone that actually is equivalent to a brain damaged kindergarten student.
Sadly, those are the people that have the most satisfaction from this job. The ones with limited affect. So, if you are Jack Nicholson before the lobotomy in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's nest-you will find this job unsatisfying long term. After doing this job for a long time- you begin to wish for a lobotomy. Just so you can turn off all the ridiculous nonsense.
Well written BUT again, name a job or ANY occupation where there isn't incompetent managers or "pod mates", colleagues or whatever they are calling them nowadays. Even if you become a Pharm D, you will still have to deal with incompetence somewhere at sometime. It's inevitable. That's why when I hear silly bullshit about getting out and going back to school to be a let's say teacher so you can "give it to the man" and tell Pharmaceutical Sales to "eff" off, I chuckle to myself. You will inherently find that that "nonsense" we deal with in Pharmaceuticals isn't JUST in our industry. It's everywhere so logically thinking, what difference isn't really going to make?
Unless you work for yourself or own your own business (which by the way is MORE stressful) then you will always have to deal with incompetence so my argument is why not do it in pharma where at least your paid well, company cars, perks like cell phone allowance and Wifi reimbursement and pretty big bonuses when you hit plan. I don't see why so many people are bitching and moaning on CP. it's going to be like this ANYWHERE you fucking go so either crap or get off the pot. If you really believe it's going to be much easier with a Pharm D degree...Then by all means go for it. But you are deceiving yourself....
You are deceiving yourself cochise….it is not like pharma in other industries…not even close…only in pharma do they have so many brain dead managers and treat experienced reps like kindergartners…
Sounds like you are trying hard to justify your laziness and unwillingness to try something other that pharma sales...
No just trying to justify how stupid you and others sound by complaining so much when you have it made in the shade.
Good luck with that stupidity....
And it IS like that in other industries....I hear it all the fuckin time...I have banker friends, Financial planners, Restaurant owners and the list goes on and on about how shitty their jobs are. Wake the fuck up.
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- Walking Eagle Mar 08, 2015 at 04:02: PM
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Good overview of what pharma sales has become. Managers do not have to be the most qualified to lead a productive sales team, they just have to fit into the fraternity mold of drinking, bullshitting, cigar smoking, etc and be approved by the other managers who are there only to protect their own jobs and can follow the corporate guidelines of rating reps and having the right proportion in each level of in the rankings, have to fire(or torture until they quit--which is the preferred method) the right number per year, choose a potential candidate for elevation to the manager fraternity and get them promoted regardless of sales ranking, put the right percentage on improvement programs, etc, etc.
Just guessing you have poor listening skills since that is usually coupled with poor reading comprehension.
1- I do not not know what other industries are like. I stated I am a career pharma rep.
2. Did not say I wanted to go back to school - but if I could hit a rewind button- would not choose this.
You are the one asking for insight then when it does not fulfill whatever it is you are looking for you throw out the thought provoking quote "crap or get...."
That blunted creativity will take you far, but apparently, not far enough to get you to an idyllic pharma job.
Now I understand why you are so angry. You read about how incompetent pharma people are and you still can't get hired by one.
The fact that you are a career pharmaceutical person raises many red flags about you.
1. You really can't be taken seriously, because you are working for one of the most corrupt industries in the world.
2. You are probably not a "thinker". Some introspection should have led you to at least explore other options.
3. You are a "yes" person all the way through, because only "yes" people make it. It has nothing to do with talent.
Not tying to be mean. I spent over 10 years in the industry, and knew after 6 months that it was a joke, but the ease of the job and the money was too good to pass up. Once I started thinking about the side effects of these products, the criminal activity of the company I was working for, and the stupid management, then I had to get out.
Good luck to you. You seem like a smart person, but very shallow and naïve to how the real world works. You live in your little pharmaceutical sales bubble, and my suggestion is to take a more critical view of the industry. Don't quit. The job is great. But, be more critical of it, and you will understand
This thread is about why Pharma reps complain. Not sure what point the above poster is trying to make. The Pharma reps on this board are mostly critical about this industry.
Well, a.) listening isn't usually required on a blog. It's usually more READING, but I digress and b.) I'm not angry at all. Simply countering what you said. I actually DID read what you wrote and I was simply stating that incompetence is usually everywhere. I am terribly sorry you cannot compute what I said or need further clarification. You actually DID say that if you could go back to school you would be a PharmD or some other ancillary non-pharmaceutical position and now you're recanting your desire saying you DIDN'T say that. Talk about crap or get off the pot. You're worse than a politician. "You can keep your doctor and insurance. Period. (quote from Obama regarding ACA)"... Then when he was called on the carpet he claimed he meant something else. You would be great in politics..Only, I would never vote for your snide, smug ass.
I have been in this industry for over 20 years so yes, I guess that would make me a career pharma rep, I have crappy days and yes deal with incompetence all the time from my manager all the way up the totem pole, but it's no different that ANY occupation regardless of what you want to believe. It can actually be somewhat worse. So, my point which you clearly cannot see because your head is so far up your rectum is that ANY job regardless of whether it's big pharma or working for a hospital system is going to have it's up and downs so why bother? You're not going to find the perks that we have here and that was my only point...Despite all of the crap that many reps have to put up with, it's still a great place to be and probably explains why so many people are looking to get in.
Again- you prove your reading comprehension is poor. My comment was - I guessed you have poor listening skills---BASED on your POOR reading comprehension-- as those two traits often go hand in hand.
I am sure you are lost now, since you can only read and comprehend every 5 words.
In the end for you, as you pointed out, it is all about the "perks". There are other people out there that would trade the "perks" for actually being allowed to be solely responsible and accountable for their own business without the ridiculous antics.
I have experienced that from time to time, however this industry is notorious for reverting back to the old antics.
Maybe, the old juvenile antics always return because the people that lead these organizations--know that people like me - capable and wanting a challenge are a minority--compared to people like you - who just care about the "perks".
I agree with you.
The post you comment on was written by someone who so far has written:
-they have been in the industry 20 years
-they have experienced the Pharma incompetence
-justifies it all because of the "perks"
-claims all industries all the same (after essentially admitting to no recent first hand knowledge of this)
-Obviously trolls cafepharma regularly
-Then throws stones about reps complaining
Compelling.