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Why do so many people hate this job?

If you work in a "Pod" suffice to say you have not progressed in your career. If you are a big pharma sales rep in anything other than a highly specialized field like oncology, HIV, MS, Hep you have not progressed in your career. Also going from selling drug x in the community to getting 'promoted' to sell drug x in the hospital is also not career progression. Lastly 'in role' promotions like 'executive' or 'consultant' is not career progression. What's funny is now I get why you dummies are stuck in big Pharma and unhappy...unconscious incompetence...you don't know what you don't know. There is a whole different world out there that you people have no idea about.

Oh, I agree with that. My point was that this job started as "specialty" - ok, sort of special and certainly not like the biotech job where I was downsized (worked alone, put together care teams, did contracting, etc). When you are unemployed and need to pay for a mortgage, you will take any job even if it is back to selling pills. I have a guy on my team who was a DM and also worked in charge of international marketing for another biotech. He took the job too and I'm pretty sure management fed him the same crock of shit they fed me to bring me onboard. This is so not a progression. I have not felt this lame since working in primary care for BMS. This might actually be worse as at BMS we had ONE FV every six weeks. Here, we have three or four in one month b/c of the manager to rep ratio! We are not even a fucking POD. We are a cluster fuck. All we do is fake calls and wait for the ride along to shuffle our collective schedules so that we have some place to take the tool. I would laugh if it were not so very sad.

My biotech job, we had to memorize about 150 studies and really know them inside and out. My boss thinks THIS job is very clinical as we have a "new" study. It is 10 pages long and compared itself to a gold standard that is no longer used. Wow! That is clinical selling!

Honestly, my depression over all of this is so crushing and I'm old that most days I seriously just pray for death while I still have 400k in life insurance. It is that bad.
 




Oh, I agree with that. My point was that this job started as "specialty" - ok, sort of special and certainly not like the biotech job where I was downsized (worked alone, put together care teams, did contracting, etc). When you are unemployed and need to pay for a mortgage, you will take any job even if it is back to selling pills. I have a guy on my team who was a DM and also worked in charge of international marketing for another biotech. He took the job too and I'm pretty sure management fed him the same crock of shit they fed me to bring me onboard. This is so not a progression. I have not felt this lame since working in primary care for BMS. This might actually be worse as at BMS we had ONE FV every six weeks. Here, we have three or four in one month b/c of the manager to rep ratio! We are not even a fucking POD. We are a cluster fuck. All we do is fake calls and wait for the ride along to shuffle our collective schedules so that we have some place to take the tool. I would laugh if it were not so very sad.

My biotech job, we had to memorize about 150 studies and really know them inside and out. My boss thinks THIS job is very clinical as we have a "new" study. It is 10 pages long and compared itself to a gold standard that is no longer used. Wow! That is clinical selling!

Honestly, my depression over all of this is so crushing and I'm old that most days I seriously just pray for death while I still have 400k in life insurance. It is that bad.

This could be my story...but you are a better man than me...I could not take being essentially a prmary care rep again, after years of management level sales jobs in biotech and big pharma...(RAM, NAE, etc)

In my 50s now...career pharma guy...downsized a few times, and forced out of my last Big Pharma job by a young manager...can't get hired anywhere to save my life, and will not go back into pharma ever again...

Moving in with my elderly mom after I sell my house...Already selling anything that is not nailed down....

True story...thanks corporate America...what a wonderful country!!

FU PHARMA INDUSTRY!!
 




Well, at least you have sonewhere to go. I take care of my mom who is severely disabled. I take care if a grown kid with autism and recently my daughter has her hand in my pocket as well. My husband could give a shit because they are all my problems. Recently, I had a stroke. Probably from all the stress and I can promise you that no one in my life really gives a shit since I am worth more dead than alive. I give up. Have to live with the shit hand I have been delt and a lifetime of poor choices. . . And I am considered by thise who know ne as smart. Yeah. My only enjoyment is medicated myself into a stooper and sleeping. And, no, I do not want help or therapy. Been there, done that, same shit different day. If my house does not sell, I will find a way to just not wake up.
 




Sorry for the typos. Trying to eat and type on my IPhone - not a very good combo. And, please, no pity party of people telling me it will get better. I have worked like a dog to make my life better for about 20 years. It has not gotten better. Sure, I make more money than ever and I have more people who need me for it, making it virtually impossible to quit or do anything that does not provide an equal income. I have no idea how to get all these people to get their fucking lives in order to stop asking me for money/help. I cannot do it anymore, especially after the stroke. the fatigue I have everyday is crushing. My body is falling apart but I'm just supposed to keep going. I have applied for SSDi but I'm sure to get denied as they always do. I used up my short term and had to go back to work. I have thought about running away but do not know where I would go and I'd still have to work to put food on the table and a roof over my head. In the last 10 years, I have had 300k in medical expenses and 30 percent has come out of my own pocket. I went back to school to the tune of 40k, withdrawing even more money and giving me hope that an advanced science degree would land me something better. Nope and I'm out all that money. I guess I am dumb in some sort of way as I am not ugly, I can cook, decorate, give good head and I have never had the fortunate circumstance of having a man who wanted to take of me financially. Obviously, I have done something horribly wrong including sell my soul to pharma and then by the McMansion to prove that I'm successful. Now, I pop pills every night to deal with the stress and everyday I get up to the same fucking shit only another day older and even more tired than the last. I walk into offices and see the 60 to 80 year olds, crippled, on oxygen, ugly, gray and the anger on the caregivers face at having to be burdened with this shit. I do not want that to be me and, frankly, I know of no one who could push me around as they all have their own baggage or are too broke or busy. It is a grim reality to grow old and get sick in America, being in pharma does not help. Yet, there is always this glimmer of hope that I can land that great biotech job, unload the house and pocket 100k annually so that I can actually retire early if I'm even able to walk by then. There is the other choice to just sell it all and buy a very tiny cheap place and just be a phone sex operator or work as a receptionist for some medical office. I am so tired it is beyond words at this point. Oh well. I wish I could turn back time, never had had kids, never had married, had gone to medical school and was a professor for some university while I wrote research papers on the side.
 




I feel for you. I am a 40 year old female that has been in this shit since I graduated college. I left a big pharma company several years ago to,join a small biotech. We were treated pretty well but the bigger we got the more "big pharma" we got. Then low and behold we got bought by a big pharma company last year. One of the worst most disorganized organizations possible. Cannot believe the level the level of incompetency that exists in these organizations had I not been seeing it first hand.. So now I am stuck in a pod of 4 with at least one slimeball and many lurking close by.

Really in what business do you need TWO THREE AND FOUR people doing the SAME JOB!

I have been keeping myself drugged up as things in this industry have continued to worsen over the past few years. Anti-depressants, Xanax, adderall to get myself thru the painful details of expense reporting and tring to correctly spell and enter into the computer every fucking front desk girls first and last name since they ate a sandwich at lunch. I hate the daily pride swallowing experience of being treated worse than a corner store hooker. The worst treatment is what we get from our supposed teammates and leaders.

I try to look at the bright side and get angry at myself for being miserable. I have been activly looking but have reached the point where I am so exhausted dealing with the shit, raising children, and dealing with a mostly insensitive husband that I just don't have the energy. I find myself thinking about death. I really don't care to live a long life. I see no point in being a worthless drain on humanity at age 80 so doctors, rehab facilities and pharma companies can suck money off me by way of government bilking.

To the lady with the disabled mother and autistic son. My prayers are with you that you find some strength or at least a doctor that will sign off on your disability forms. god bless you
 




I feel for you. I am a 40 year old female that has been in this shit since I graduated college. I left a big pharma company several years ago to,join a small biotech. We were treated pretty well but the bigger we got the more "big pharma" we got. Then low and behold we got bought by a big pharma company last year. One of the worst most disorganized organizations possible. Cannot believe the level the level of incompetency that exists in these organizations had I not been seeing it first hand.. So now I am stuck in a pod of 4 with at least one slimeball and many lurking close by.

Really in what business do you need TWO THREE AND FOUR people doing the SAME JOB!

I have been keeping myself drugged up as things in this industry have continued to worsen over the past few years. Anti-depressants, Xanax, adderall to get myself thru the painful details of expense reporting and tring to correctly spell and enter into the computer every fucking front desk girls first and last name since they ate a sandwich at lunch. I hate the daily pride swallowing experience of being treated worse than a corner store hooker. The worst treatment is what we get from our supposed teammates and leaders.

I try to look at the bright side and get angry at myself for being miserable. I have been activly looking but have reached the point where I am so exhausted dealing with the shit, raising children, and dealing with a mostly insensitive husband that I just don't have the energy. I find myself thinking about death. I really don't care to live a long life. I see no point in being a worthless drain on humanity at age 80 so doctors, rehab facilities and pharma companies can suck money off me by way of government bilking.

To the lady with the disabled mother and autistic son. My prayers are with you that you find some strength or at least a doctor that will sign off on your disability forms. god bless you

suggestions:
1.find a new job
2. get off the pills
3. grow up
 




You are so much younger and healthier than I am. You should be able to get out and be happier if your husband were more supportive. Mine is just an asshole but he is all for my quiting and staying home if we can sell the home and our stuff. There just do not seem to be any bites on any homes in our neighborhood. I love my mom and my son and am at a loss because I am having trouble taking care of myself. Was so exhausted from my 70 hour work week that I slept all day yesterday rather than pack, finish woodwork, go see mom - just so tired. SSDi has given me nine days to get them medical records that are all over two states! I am going to have to call my caseworker. Then in Sept, they are sending me to a shrink. That should be a hoot since not a day or even an hour goes by that I do not think about killing myself. Grind up the clonz, the narco and my beta blockers and I am pretty sure I would pass out, quit breathing, go into cardiac arrest and die without ever waking up. It is hard to feel unloved, like my only reason to live is a paycheck. Although my husband appears ok with my quiting, last year he was all over dating sites writing to women that he is going to divorce his crazy wife and is looking for a woman with a high paying job!! Nice, huh? Six months ago waiting in the ER to see if I had a brain bleed, he got pissed and left me there to take a cab home. I am old and sick. If you are dealing with an insensitive jerk, I recommend counseling or divorce. We all need someone in our life who loves and supports us. That is number one. Often I think if I had that one thing life and work may not seem so grim. But it isn't ever going to happen now.
 








At some point, you just realize that whatever accomplishments you might have had in your professional career prior to the exact pharma job you have landed, matter not one bit. I know all the interviews want this award and that award. I have had interviews that honestly NEVER wanted to see any of it. They just wanted to hear you and see you sell to them right there and then. Perfect. Then there were those group cluster fuck interviews where you had to present the STAR B.S. and show off all the awards and then prove your ranking. Shit, I am lucky to have saved half of it or even remember to print it out when it was good. I just did not care that much where I was ranked. I cared more about how I felt and how my customers felt and did I do something to create win/win relationships. No one cares that years ago I managed departments in a hospital, raised nearly a million dollars for some charity, took a bottom feeder dead territory and brought it up to number one. Seriously, it does not matter. Join a new company and they treat you just like a baby. You go back to square one in this industry. I think that is the overall frustration. My husband can go from design engineer to head of engineering in six weeks with a new company just based on his past experience. Not pharma. Oh, and Godforbid if you did not become a DM! Why? If you were good, you should have gone to the home office. Well, not all of us can leave our families and go live in NJ especially the women. We have people to take care of. I hate this industry but maybe they are all just a bunch of glad handing worthless douchbags in all industries at this point. That might be why America is in the toilet. The MBAs took over and we made process more important than people. Do that and lose all touch with what really matters. So, collectively, we are all screwed. Now you see why the pills look better and better every single day. I really see no point half the time in even trying to jump to something else as I have convinced myself that it will just be SSDD. . . and it probably will. Please do not tell me about positive thinking and physics! Slimeballs abound and the nice guy is sure to finish last or get run over. I'd love to have a job where putting the customer first was really appreciated and respected, where my past accomplishments and degrees mattered, where I had the autonomy to run my territory without a manager's hand up my ass 24/7. I think I'm dreaming. Anyway, I have to pack some shit and stain some wood and get ready for what will probably be another entire day and night spent wasting time on a job interview that will go nowhere. But you never know. The pills will always be sitting there next week and the week after that. Who knows, maybe I will get better. Then again, if my next MRI comes back as brain cancer, I guess no employer or government can deny me then. (Yes, I have three choices: stroke, brain cancer or MS - I have to wait until Sept for another test.) What I do know is I do not want to spend even one more minute doing the job I currently have. I have given myself another 30 days to find something better or different (know the test results too) and if nothing materializes then I am going to just quit. Fuck it.
 




It is because you never really learned nor became a student of this industry and how it works. You merely jumped from one big pharma to another.

What has always mattered is becoming entrenched in a niche therapeutic area like oncology or HepB/C, or HIV, etc.. Once you work in one of those roles for 2-5 years there are lots of great jobs at great companies out there where the interview process is the exact opposite of the ones you referenced. When I interview oncology candidates, almost always they are an internal referral or a customer referral – never ever need a recruiter. I can usually call no less than 5 people who have worked with them or customers they called on, so I really know who this person is even before the interview. Once in the interview and we get past the resume overview I am selling them on me and the company not the other way around. Finding great people can help create a great culture at a company, and what’s funny there are not a lot of ‘great’ people out there. Yes everyone thinks they are ‘great’ but after interviewing and hiring for over 10 years I can tell you that if we bring in 5 candidates one usually rises to the top, number two is OK but there is a gap between them and #1 and 3 through 5 are C- at best.

The good jobs are out there, but unfortunately most big pharma people merely jump from one big pharma/mass market/primary care selling drugs in different therapeutic areas to another for $10K-$15K a year more…and no a specialty rep who sells the same drug to “specialists” that the PC rep sells IM/PC, is not a specialty job…and forget ‘hospital sales’ that too is a joke of a dead end job. I couldn’t care less about job hoppers, I want to see progression in types of jobs they did to get to where they are today. Seeing someone go from Pfizer to GSK to BMS all in primary care selling a myriad of drugs has almost no value. I want to see the person who had a plan from day one to break into oncology. Someone who did PC for a year, jumped to selling supportive care drug in oncology and then broke into selling a chemo. What’s sad is I see 100 resume per job and 80-90% of them have no direction. Just big pharma after big pharma selling me too products with no real plan. Also I do not have one person on my team under the age of 43, they are all career reps and they are great…so again your ‘have to be a DM or home office is a big pharma issue…and again you chose to stay in big pharma.

The good jobs out there are reserved for those who broke into a therapeutic specialty, stuck with it, and developed valuable customer relationships and knowledge and became a student of the industry. If you couldn’t see the writing on the wall after your first year in PC/Big Pharma that is on you.

I started in the early 1990’s, did a short stint at a big pharma, knew it was a joke, and worked my ass off to get oncology interviews and after several ‘no’s’ I got a chance – why oncology and why back in the 90’s? Because that was mentioned in just about every annual report from big to small pharma even back in the 90’s as where their therapeutic focus would be over the next 10 to 20 years – that was where the money was flowing, but again that takes being a student of the business – which most reps are not…most reps never read their own company’s annual report let alone anyone else’s…yet they still deem themselves as ‘tenured industry experts’! Time does not make you an expert or valuable.
 




Oh, I did advance into account management, infusion therapy, acute care for key accounts. Then I had my first stint of illness that lasted about a year. I came back but my name was mud. People treat you like a leper if you've been ill a long time and no one trusts you anymore to work your butt off. In some ways, I was not the same person and one real bad manager that road my ass gave me a nervous breakdown. So, more negative shit. I was pegged for a layoff right when my husband was out of work. I support my mom and my kid. Not much choice but to try and start again. I did try but got stuck in what should have been hospital specialty into basically a PC job. I got a MS degree in hopes the advanced clinical education would give me another shot at onc or hep or another rare biologic. So far nothing. I had an interview for MS but did not know enough about buy and bill to impress the manager and it would have been a real tough sell. I just know that I cannot do this PC thing for big pharma or I will blow my brains out. It is truly hell on earth. I know I'm too old for device. I do think I could do a great job in oncology or GI and wish someone would give me a shot. I am sick of cathlabs and cardiology. I do not want to work doing SSDD. Any other recommendations other than to let me know how right you ran your life and what a shithead I am?
 




Oh, I did advance into account management, infusion therapy, acute care for key accounts. Then I had my first stint of illness that lasted about a year. I came back but my name was mud. People treat you like a leper if you've been ill a long time and no one trusts you anymore to work your butt off. In some ways, I was not the same person and one real bad manager that road my ass gave me a nervous breakdown. So, more negative shit. I was pegged for a layoff right when my husband was out of work. I support my mom and my kid. Not much choice but to try and start again. I did try but got stuck in what should have been hospital specialty into basically a PC job. I got a MS degree in hopes the advanced clinical education would give me another shot at onc or hep or another rare biologic. So far nothing. I had an interview for MS but did not know enough about buy and bill to impress the manager and it would have been a real tough sell. I just know that I cannot do this PC thing for big pharma or I will blow my brains out. It is truly hell on earth. I know I'm too old for device. I do think I could do a great job in oncology or GI and wish someone would give me a shot. I am sick of cathlabs and cardiology. I do not want to work doing SSDD. Any other recommendations other than to let me know how right you ran your life and what a shithead I am?

Not trying to make you feel bad but just giving you an objective view of why you are where you are in this industry. Believe me I feel for you that you got sick and that you have responsibilities…so do many others, myself in included, so you are not alone with your situation.

The trust thing is very interesting…I know it is hard to do but maybe look at yourself and what vibe you are giving off where people don’t trust you. I highly doubt it was because you took some time off for an illness. People take time off all the time for maternity leave, FMLA, etc, so maybe your perception of yourself is skewed. If more than one person mistrusts you my guess is you behaved in a way to warrant their lack of trust or you weren’t well liked prior to taking time off and this just fortifies there negative opinion of you. From what it sounds like you have an “everybody is out to get me” “Woe is me” mentality, which to me screams insecure, paranoid, lacking self-awareness and out of touch, and not the people you want to work alongside with nor trust.

No doubt there are horrible managers in this and every other industry and that sucks. But to allow a Pharmaceutical DM to have that much influence over your happiness and wellbeing to cause a breakdown, shows me you lack any will, drive, self-respect, and unwilling to stand up for yourself. Those are YOU issues not anyone else’s. If you were being treated unfairly or asked to do things far beyond the scope of your job, or you were harassed(and no, working with you every week is not harassment) then you should have reported him or her to HR, to their boss, or to anyone in a senior level. If that failed to work call the EEOC and file a complaint or hire an employment attorney. If that fails…do nothing in the job, while looking for another job and let them fire you so you can collect unemployment. – Come on ya gotta think a little bit here.

Lastly, what is “account management, infusion therapy, acute care for key accounts”?

None of those sound like a therapeutic specialty and none of them sound like progressive steps. They sound like you sold the same stuff just to different customers or departments.

With that being said it is very hard to offer you advice as it seems like you had a tough time understanding buy and bill to an acceptable level so I hate to say this but is seems like you are a very tenured “entry level rep”. Not a good place to be in this industry…suffice to say if you are over 30 and selling anything to a primary care doctor you are in a bad spot career wise. My best advice is that this industry has passed you by and left you behind…may be time to reinvent yourself and do something completely different.
 




Yes, you explained buy and bill just fine. I started in specialty, company was bought, got sent to primary care, got out, was a manager, company folded, went to clinic specialty sales and was promoted to hospital account management for biologics. Great gig. It ended too and I am basically back to clinic specialty for (yawn) big pharma. Hate it. Old as dirt. Get lots of interviews and no offers. Let me rephrase from trust to dislike. I am probably not as well liked due to the fact that I ran around my territory basically medicated, nuts and high until my attorney won my disability. Don't get me wrong, I have many friends inside and out but quite a few enemies too. I am too old to re-invent myself unless I do not work. All of my ideas are web and would take a year of work to launch. I could get a desk job but would have to move. Hence, the house is for sale. Do not get old in pharma and if you are 40, save every penny as it all ends sooner than you think.
 




Wow! All the posts on this topic are very interesting. I have empathy for the individuals who became sick or struggle with family issues. However, the vast majority of pharma reps are very lazy individuals. I was a pharma rep years ago and got tired of the gig in 1.5 years. I realized that most managers and reps were lazy and self entitled. I could not handle one more pharma rep sitting at home and making up B.S voicemails about how successful there day was. I changed my life just like everyone in this world can. It's not hard, rather simple. If you are too old to get hired somewhere else, open your own business. Find a niche, just like a specialty rep, device rep or whatever rep you want to call it. There is so much money to be made in this industry. I bet many of you on this site have kicked themselves for switching to other companies for a measly 10K raise. Instead you should have been trying to figure out how to make 300K. When you make 300K, you will still complain that you are not appreciated, disrespected and your job is boring. Your the only one that can change your life. Stop complaining!
 




Yes, you explained buy and bill just fine. I started in specialty, company was bought, got sent to primary care, got out, was a manager, company folded, went to clinic specialty sales and was promoted to hospital account management for biologics. Great gig. It ended too and I am basically back to clinic specialty for (yawn) big pharma. Hate it. Old as dirt. Get lots of interviews and no offers. Let me rephrase from trust to dislike. I am probably not as well liked due to the fact that I ran around my territory basically medicated, nuts and high until my attorney won my disability. Don't get me wrong, I have many friends inside and out but quite a few enemies too. I am too old to re-invent myself unless I do not work. All of my ideas are web and would take a year of work to launch. I could get a desk job but would have to move. Hence, the house is for sale. Do not get old in pharma and if you are 40, save every penny as it all ends sooner than you think.

What is "biologics" in your mind. Again you make no mention of what therapeutic area you sold biologics in. "Biologics" is not a therapeutic area as there biologic therapies for many different diseases. I'm starting to think you are full of it...
 




What is "biologics" in your mind. Again you make no mention of what therapeutic area you sold biologics in. "Biologics" is not a therapeutic area as there biologic therapies for many different diseases. I'm starting to think you are full of it...

Ok, you got me. I have not sold in Onc, Hep, MS. . . I sold in inventional cardiology and infectious disease/immunology. So, nothing to write home about. It is still a step up to sell drugs that are infused in critical care, OR, or invasive lab from knocking down clinic doors (pretty much what I'm doing now!). I do not see where it matters since regardless of the job interview for Hep or MS or RA, I still do not get hired. Some asshole who SOLD in those therapy areas gets the job b/c the manager still falls back on the stupid idea that someone with experience is going to have a million great relationships. Course, we all know that only those with relationship ever get their foot in the fucking door. (NOT!) Jeez, selling to acute and critical care is not like walking in the specialty clinic door and asking to see the doc cause you have "new information!" In fact, I did pretty much the exact same thing that device reps do inside the hospital setting.
 




Ok, you got me. I have not sold in Onc, Hep, MS. . . I sold in inventional cardiology and infectious disease/immunology. So, nothing to write home about. It is still a step up to sell drugs that are infused in critical care, OR, or invasive lab from knocking down clinic doors (pretty much what I'm doing now!). I do not see where it matters since regardless of the job interview for Hep or MS or RA, I still do not get hired. Some asshole who SOLD in those therapy areas gets the job b/c the manager still falls back on the stupid idea that someone with experience is going to have a million great relationships. Course, we all know that only those with relationship ever get their foot in the fucking door. (NOT!) Jeez, selling to acute and critical care is not like walking in the specialty clinic door and asking to see the doc cause you have "new information!" In fact, I did pretty much the exact same thing that device reps do inside the hospital setting.

Yeah I would say ‘not really’ on all of your points. I can tell you this, in oncology if you don’t have relationships forget about it. To some degree if you didn’t break into oncology pre-pharma guidelines you are screwed as that was when and how people established relationships…so again you reveal how out of touch you are to other specialties that you “think you would be good at”. You don’t know what you don’t know…

I’m still miffed at what biologic you sold? You mentioned selling to IC, ID’s/immuno’s but I can’t imagine that the biologic was the same for all three. And no, sorry, how the drug is administered, IV, PO, or my all-time favorite from candidates, “injectables” is not a ‘step-up’. We always laugh when we hear a candidate say, “Well…I have injectable experience”. Again only big pharma would delineate how the drug is administered as mattering…what we care about is your knowledge base and relationships in a specific therapeutic area. That’s why a tenured oncology rep can get $150k+ base salary and make over $200K a year.

Your comments are hilarious and again show how out of touch you are…

“It is still a step up to sell drugs that are infused in critical care, OR, or invasive lab from knocking down clinic doors (pretty much what I'm doing now!)” -----keep telling yourself that, whatever gets you to sleep at night. Again what ‘infused drugs’ did you sell in CC/OR/the lab. I can’t imagine it was anything highly technical…my guess is something basic like an anticoagulant.

“Selling to acute and critical care is not like walking in the specialty clinic door and asking to see the doc cause you have "new information!" – yeah it pretty much is…sorry

“In fact, I did pretty much the exact same thing that device reps do inside the hospital setting…” - not even close.

Lastly if you are that polarizing of a person that you have “many friends but quite a few enemies” that 100% comes through during the interview…also it is a very small industry and there is no doubt that the hiring manager asks around about you, gets the feedback and then you’re out. I’ve had reps call me when they heard I was interviewing someone and they emphatically would say, ‘watch out, they’re a team killer’ or ‘they’re great if you can hire them do it”! If you’re that unaware of how this whole thing works I truly feel sorry for you and you should be happy that you have a job anywhere…in case you haven’t notice there are a lot of out of work reps who most likely bring a lot less baggage and drama to the table than you…
 




OP,
the people that hate this job are the thinkers of this world.

Those that love it are:

a. have average intelligence
b. don't understand the true nature of the pharma industry (the corruption of it all)
c. lovers of money
d. untalented to do other things that offer more in a career
e. lazy
 




Yeah I would say ‘not really’ on all of your points. I can tell you this, in oncology if you don’t have relationships forget about it. To some degree if you didn’t break into oncology pre-pharma guidelines you are screwed as that was when and how people established relationships…so again you reveal how out of touch you are to other specialties that you “think you would be good at”. You don’t know what you don’t know…

I’m still miffed at what biologic you sold? You mentioned selling to IC, ID’s/immuno’s but I can’t imagine that the biologic was the same for all three. And no, sorry, how the drug is administered, IV, PO, or my all-time favorite from candidates, “injectables” is not a ‘step-up’. We always laugh when we hear a candidate say, “Well…I have injectable experience”. Again only big pharma would delineate how the drug is administered as mattering…what we care about is your knowledge base and relationships in a specific therapeutic area. That’s why a tenured oncology rep can get $150k+ base salary and make over $200K a year.

Your comments are hilarious and again show how out of touch you are…

“It is still a step up to sell drugs that are infused in critical care, OR, or invasive lab from knocking down clinic doors (pretty much what I'm doing now!)” -----keep telling yourself that, whatever gets you to sleep at night. Again what ‘infused drugs’ did you sell in CC/OR/the lab. I can’t imagine it was anything highly technical…my guess is something basic like an anticoagulant.

“Selling to acute and critical care is not like walking in the specialty clinic door and asking to see the doc cause you have "new information!" – yeah it pretty much is…sorry

“In fact, I did pretty much the exact same thing that device reps do inside the hospital setting…” - not even close.

Lastly if you are that polarizing of a person that you have “many friends but quite a few enemies” that 100% comes through during the interview…also it is a very small industry and there is no doubt that the hiring manager asks around about you, gets the feedback and then you’re out. I’ve had reps call me when they heard I was interviewing someone and they emphatically would say, ‘watch out, they’re a team killer’ or ‘they’re great if you can hire them do it”! If you’re that unaware of how this whole thing works I truly feel sorry for you and you should be happy that you have a job anywhere…in case you haven’t notice there are a lot of out of work reps who most likely bring a lot less baggage and drama to the table than you…

Wow, why are you such a nasty fuck? This is probably why I have not been more successful here. I am not nasty, not an asshole and care more about patients than I do the money. The reason some people might have bad things to say is I was dying, company told me to fuck off, manager rode my ass and all together had a nervous breakdown that everyone seemed privy to. Maybe I should count my blessings, sell my shit and never look back at what has to be one if the most shallow superficial overpaid jobs on the planet.
 




Wow, why are you such a nasty fuck? This is probably why I have not been more successful here. I am not nasty, not an asshole and care more about patients than I do the money. The reason some people might have bad things to say is I was dying, company told me to fuck off, manager rode my ass and all together had a nervous breakdown that everyone seemed privy to. Maybe I should count my blessings, sell my shit and never look back at what has to be one if the most shallow superficial overpaid jobs on the planet.

Good riddance! Yeah, because over the hill, whiney people, with lots of baggage and lots of health issues(physical and clearly mental) are oh so valuable to a company and the industry! You are exactly what companies are looking for! I’m sure the champagne corks will pop in your current district when you announce your resignation. Your manager probably prays every night to see your resignation letter in his in-box – not being nasty just telling you how it probably is…just on your moronic posts on here alone I can tell you must just be a dream to work with!

Not being nasty has nothing to do with why you are a failure. You are a failure because you play the victim, you take no accountability, you did not maneuver through this industry smartly when you had the chance in your early years, and by your own admission you are not well liked by a lot of people – add to that your physical and mental health issue and hopefully you can see how that is not a recipe for success.

Look we’ve all seen your type many many times over the years. The old, bitter, whiney, know it all female rep, who has one or two other curmudgeon friends that they hang out with and bitch to each other about all the atrocities of their job. No one wants you on their team, and no one will miss you when you leave. You are very replaceable and my bet is whoever backfills you will be a huge upgrade to that district and company.

Have fun in your new career…you will not be missed.