Why do so many people hate this job?

[Anonymous]

Good riddance! Yeah, because over the hill, whiney people, with lots of baggage and lots of health issues(physical and clearly mental) are oh so valuable to a company and the industry! You are exactly what companies are looking for! I’m sure the champagne corks will pop in your current district when you announce your resignation. Your manager probably prays every night to see your resignation letter in his in-box – not being nasty just telling you how it probably is…just on your moronic posts on here alone I can tell you must just be a dream to work with!

Not being nasty has nothing to do with why you are a failure. You are a failure because you play the victim, you take no accountability, you did not maneuver through this industry smartly when you had the chance in your early years, and by your own admission you are not well liked by a lot of people – add to that your physical and mental health issue and hopefully you can see how that is not a recipe for success.

Look we’ve all seen your type many many times over the years. The old, bitter, whiney, know it all female rep, who has one or two other curmudgeon friends that they hang out with and bitch to each other about all the atrocities of their job. No one wants you on their team, and no one will miss you when you leave. You are very replaceable and my bet is whoever backfills you will be a huge upgrade to that district and company.

Have fun in your new career…you will not be missed.

I don't consider surviving two near fatal illnesses as a failure. Nor do I consider making 140k plus a failure. I don't consider getting an advanced education later in life with honors a failure. I call a spade a spade and do not whine to anybody around me. If battling depression makes me an outcast, then I'm in good company since it impacts one in four people. Yes, I whine on CP. So what? I, in fact, am the caregiver for my mom and my son and pretty much have supported my family for the last 30 years with no help. So, I do not consider that a failure either. While many single moms my age have maybe 100k to their name, I have am approaching 700k net worth. Not bad for a person who has had multiple disabilities and hefty medical bills among other nontypical expenses and challenges (I have not been a pharma lifer by any stretch). What I consider a failure is not having the courage to tell this industry to kiss my ass and just leave. It and people like you are a wretched group, and you folks get nastier and more arrogant with each passing day. Soon access will be nonexistent, drugs will be totally dictated by national healthcare and the only reps left standing will be a few who sell orphan drugs or those in rare diseases. I am sure you are special or probably independent and widely successful. Hence, you can spend hours and hours on CP commenting on everyone's post by writing a small book.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't consider surviving two near fatal illnesses as a failure. Nor do I consider making 140k plus a failure. I don't consider getting an advanced education later in life with honors a failure. I call a spade a spade and do not whine to anybody around me. If battling depression makes me an outcast, then I'm in good company since it impacts one in four people. Yes, I whine on CP. So what? I, in fact, am the caregiver for my mom and my son and pretty much have supported my family for the last 30 years with no help. So, I do not consider that a failure either. While many single moms my age have maybe 100k to their name, I have am approaching 700k net worth. Not bad for a person who has had multiple disabilities and hefty medical bills among other nontypical expenses and challenges (I have not been a pharma lifer by any stretch). What I consider a failure is not having the courage to tell this industry to kiss my ass and just leave. It and people like you are a wretched group, and you folks get nastier and more arrogant with each passing day. Soon access will be nonexistent, drugs will be totally dictated by national healthcare and the only reps left standing will be a few who sell orphan drugs or those in rare diseases. I am sure you are special or probably independent and widely successful. Hence, you can spend hours and hours on CP commenting on everyone's post by writing a small book.

“This is probably why I have not been more successful here…”

I simply used YOUR words to deduce you as a failure in this industry…I never mentioned anything about your personal life which you feel compelled to let us know time and time again…redundant much?

Look clearly you have had a cornucopia of hardships…not sure what to tell other than that’s life and no one said it’s fair. Not sure what you are trying to gain out of Café Pharma other than some cheap therapy or the ‘misery loves company’ connection.

So back to your original gripe of getting interviews and not getting jobs…your ‘baggage’ which I both think we can agree upon is hefty, comes through in interviews. I know you think it doesn’t but it does. Again why you are not getting jobs is if you come across in any way, shape or form like you do on your posts it screams trouble and for the jobs that you are going for there are just too many ‘easier’ candidates to hire.

I’m not wretched at all nor am I mean spirited! I’m trying to help you as I believe you to be very out of touch on this whole thing. You’re the one airing out your issues on a blog and you need a dose of reality that clearly no one else in your ‘real life’ has bothered to give you. My guess is you are very insecure and do not respond well to any sort of criticism hence why most of your peers, managers, friends haven’t given you any and you now have resorted to CP. From you post alone I can tell how little you know about this industry but in your mind you have it all figured out…

Fine you want sunshine and rainbows? Here it is…

Yes, middle age, single moms with multiple disabilities and depression are highly sought after employees. What doctor doesn’t want to hear about YOUR problems!?! Also we love the ‘diversity’ it brings to the team and the unique set of challenges it accompanies. Lastly who doesn’t want to hire someone with a track record of long absences who can be a polarizing personality? Just what the team needs! You’re right hiring young, perky, and optimistic young people is ridiculous! Who wants to be around that! So annoying how pleasant their personalities are! And forgive me but those young people can’t learn the package insert and the data…you have to be 40 plus in order to grasp those concepts!

Alas I digress since in your expert opinion there will be very few reps in the future…yet you seem compelled to get a ‘better’ job in this sinking industry…strange…well I guess that’s the depression talking.

 

[Anonymous]

Wow, you really are a piece of work and your attitude toward illness and disability is typical of the shallow perky thirty somethings that permeate the industry. I have sat with many reps and there isn't a one that does not discuss personal or family topics. Aside from the time when I was forced to work and should have been off, my professionalism is second to none. I have had many doctors ask me my opinion of treatment strategy and I never gossip about anyone. You seem to read a lot more into my posts than what I have written. I can only imagine what a joy you are to be around such a know it all. I have been in the industry probsbly longer than you, been a manager snd a field trainer as well ad won msny awards. You keep comparing me personally, who you do not know at all, to me on a website. Look, I went in for major life threatening surgery and the only one who knew was my husband. While I agree hiring someone who has a long leave would be challenging, it is no ones fucking business. At some point, even a rock star such as yourself is going to draw the short straw. Perhaps then you will understand how to treat older people and employees who have been ill. I pray to God I never work for someone with your lens on humanity.

 

[Anonymous]

Why are there so many of us that are disgruntled with our job? I am new to pharma, but after the first couple months I can honestly say I do not like this job one bit and I have no idea why. The pay and the perks are way more I could find anywhere else. I see my boss once a month and don't report to an office. I am on my own all day making my own schedule and going where I want. Most people would jump at the chance for a job like this, but with all that being said I physically hate this job at the end of the day. I understand the treatment we get from doctors and their staff, but any job where you interact with people is going to be shit so that's a given.

Any thoughts?

It's the human condition.
Hate what you have.
Want what you cannot have.

Quit letting your job define you.
Use your job to make money and cover your income needs.
Develop the real you, your real identity.
Stop asking people "what do you do for a living", and start asking "what do you do?".

 

[Anonymous]

"Yes, middle age, single moms with multiple disabilities and depression are highly sought after employees. What doctor doesn’t want to hear about YOUR problems!?! Also we love the ‘diversity’ it brings to the team and the unique set of challenges it accompanies. Lastly who doesn’t want to hire someone with a track record of long absences who can be a polarizing personality? Just what the team needs! You’re right hiring young, perky, and optimistic young people is ridiculous! Who wants to be around that! So annoying how pleasant their personalities are! And forgive me but those young people can’t learn the package insert and the data…you have to be 40 plus in order to grasp those concepts!"

Assumptions make an ass out of you and me. . .
1. Only someone who has been very ill can have a polarizing personality - the soccer mom who pulls out the kids photos every ten seconds or the Metra male who has to show off his stock knowledge, or the 50 something on her fourth plastic surgery or laser hair removal - no, of course, not polarizing at all. I love hearing the fourth story about Jan's kids accomplishments or little Billy's rash! . . . and only older people get depression.
2. Of course, everyone should know about confidential health information and people with cancer, crohns, an ill mother, father or child, have NEVER taken a long absence! In fact, according to your statement, none of us should be hired ever again because we simply cannot compete! Bullshit.
3. All young people are perky! LMAO!!!! Most that I know are angry entitled idiots who could not think their way out of a paperbag. They have limited work history, limited experience and are not always so pleasant. Why? Well, jeez, cause nothing "bad" has actually happened to them or anyone they know. They cannot comprehend a long hospital stay, insurance nightmares or what doctors and nurses and OUR patients deal with every single day. So, of course, they are so helpful with a hard pull-through.
4. No one has to be older to "grasp" a PI. Get real. Not all of us are applying for a primary care job where memorizing one or two pages is pretty much all that is required. My second job, I had to memorize 140 studies!!! Yes and all the competitive PIs. I seriously doubt that the perky 30 something with two years of experience is going to really know how to get anything on a hospital formulary or solve a complex multi-level product issue inside an OR. Indeed, I had a teammate that thought it was prefectly acceptable to argue at the Fellows Conference, eat at Grand Rounds and stop KOLs in the hallway on their way to surgery.

While I cannot make up for having been in the field while ill and what a shitload of meds did to my career and my brain (I'd like to sue the company for making me get an attorney before granting my leave), I certainly know what I'm doing now. The fact that I have disabilities and expect to be treated fairly rather than have bosses write me up for my illness, I think is fair and reasonable. Course, you're probably the asshole boss that wrote me up when I lost my eyesight for a week and he just did not agree that was a reason to have some work late! You really wonder why I have an attitude? When it happens to you, you really won't wonder anymore. I promise you that. YOU need to deal with the reality that perfect people do not always make the BEST employees. Sometimes it is the ones that have an issue or two that will work harder, work longer, try harder and have a lot more empathy and experience when the going gets tough. Oddly, enough, my "perfect" teammate is a complete bitch and a gossip who is more concerned with getting her hair, nails and whatever done than doing her job, while my other teammate with a disability is an extraordinary person and employee.

 

[Anonymous]

Wow, you really are a piece of work and your attitude toward illness and disability is typical of the shallow perky thirty somethings that permeate the industry. I have sat with many reps and there isn't a one that does not discuss personal or family topics. Aside from the time when I was forced to work and should have been off, my professionalism is second to none. I have had many doctors ask me my opinion of treatment strategy and I never gossip about anyone. You seem to read a lot more into my posts than what I have written. I can only imagine what a joy you are to be around such a know it all. I have been in the industry probsbly longer than you, been a manager snd a field trainer as well ad won msny awards. You keep comparing me personally, who you do not know at all, to me on a website. Look, I went in for major life threatening surgery and the only one who knew was my husband. While I agree hiring someone who has a long leave would be challenging, it is no ones fucking business. At some point, even a rock star such as yourself is going to draw the short straw. Perhaps then you will understand how to treat older people and employees who have been ill. I pray to God I never work for someone with your lens on humanity.

First I stated early on that I started in the industry in the early 90’s September of 1991 as a matter of fact, so you can figure out how old I am but it is easy to see that I’m well into my 40’s. Second I told you that I do not have one person on my team under 40. I have the same team in place since the company I work at launched over 8 years ago. Not one person has quit and they were all done “climbing the ladder” so none wanted to be promoted. Again I never said anything about your disabilities I said that your attitude along with the baggage makes you a less than attractive candidate. Couple that with my original statement that you never became a therapeutic expert in a highly sought after and highly compensated field and that by your own admission have more than a few enemies I developed my opinion on you. Go back and re-read your posts you more of less have spilled your guts on each page.

Look I get it, you had a tough hand dealt to you, and you want to blame someone or something so you blame an entire industry or you focus and blame an anonymous person giving you harsh but real criticism or you blame the mean managers that you allowed to treat you poorly. You are the typical disgruntled rep who never sees anything wrong with themselves yet teammates, managers and hiring managers, none of whom know each other, sees it, feels it, and senses it..yet somehow in your deluded world they’re all wrong and you’re the one who is right…shocking that you never landed any good jobs outside of the BullS ‘infusion/biologics” which you still never told us what it was that you sold exactly. Do you really think there is some conspiracy against you by all of these unconnected people? My guess if they all saw the same flaws…the flaws you are unwilling to accept and deal with, and decided not to hire you. Again I wish you the best of luck with whatever it is you think you want, but I’ll tell you this one last time, it’s not the industry, it is you…

Lastly, you seem very sensitive and have a tough time with criticism I strongly suggest that you stop posting your life story on a blog fishing for sympathy… everyone has problems lady…you’re not the only one.

 

[Anonymous]

"Yes, middle age, single moms with multiple disabilities and depression are highly sought after employees. What doctor doesn’t want to hear about YOUR problems!?! Also we love the ‘diversity’ it brings to the team and the unique set of challenges it accompanies. Lastly who doesn’t want to hire someone with a track record of long absences who can be a polarizing personality? Just what the team needs! You’re right hiring young, perky, and optimistic young people is ridiculous! Who wants to be around that! So annoying how pleasant their personalities are! And forgive me but those young people can’t learn the package insert and the data…you have to be 40 plus in order to grasp those concepts!"

Assumptions make an ass out of you and me. . .
1. Only someone who has been very ill can have a polarizing personality - the soccer mom who pulls out the kids photos every ten seconds or the Metra male who has to show off his stock knowledge, or the 50 something on her fourth plastic surgery or laser hair removal - no, of course, not polarizing at all. I love hearing the fourth story about Jan's kids accomplishments or little Billy's rash! . . . and only older people get depression.
2. Of course, everyone should know about confidential health information and people with cancer, crohns, an ill mother, father or child, have NEVER taken a long absence! In fact, according to your statement, none of us should be hired ever again because we simply cannot compete! Bullshit.
3. All young people are perky! LMAO!!!! Most that I know are angry entitled idiots who could not think their way out of a paperbag. They have limited work history, limited experience and are not always so pleasant. Why? Well, jeez, cause nothing "bad" has actually happened to them or anyone they know. They cannot comprehend a long hospital stay, insurance nightmares or what doctors and nurses and OUR patients deal with every single day. So, of course, they are so helpful with a hard pull-through.
4. No one has to be older to "grasp" a PI. Get real. Not all of us are applying for a primary care job where memorizing one or two pages is pretty much all that is required. My second job, I had to memorize 140 studies!!! Yes and all the competitive PIs. I seriously doubt that the perky 30 something with two years of experience is going to really know how to get anything on a hospital formulary or solve a complex multi-level product issue inside an OR. Indeed, I had a teammate that thought it was prefectly acceptable to argue at the Fellows Conference, eat at Grand Rounds and stop KOLs in the hallway on their way to surgery.

While I cannot make up for having been in the field while ill and what a shitload of meds did to my career and my brain (I'd like to sue the company for making me get an attorney before granting my leave), I certainly know what I'm doing now. The fact that I have disabilities and expect to be treated fairly rather than have bosses write me up for my illness, I think is fair and reasonable. Course, you're probably the asshole boss that wrote me up when I lost my eyesight for a week and he just did not agree that was a reason to have some work late! You really wonder why I have an attitude? When it happens to you, you really won't wonder anymore. I promise you that. YOU need to deal with the reality that perfect people do not always make the BEST employees. Sometimes it is the ones that have an issue or two that will work harder, work longer, try harder and have a lot more empathy and experience when the going gets tough. Oddly, enough, my "perfect" teammate is a complete bitch and a gossip who is more concerned with getting her hair, nails and whatever done than doing her job, while my other teammate with a disability is an extraordinary person and employee.

Wrong on all points! I never stereotyped anyone like you just did. All I said was that given the amount of out of work pharma reps it is far easier to hire someone with a lot less baggage. That is a fact in any business. But hey keep telling yourself whatever you need to! 140 studies yet you still can't tell us what you sold...you are so full of crap it has become comical. I can't wait to hear what your next adventure is in your new industry! You think pharma is bad, try any these: software sales, financial services, med device/equipment, restaurant supply, wine/beer/alcohol sales, management consultants...just to name a few...you would get eaten alive. Pharma is kinder gentler industry despite what you think.

 

[Anonymous]

"So back to your original gripe of getting interviews and not getting jobs…your ‘baggage’ which I both think we can agree upon is hefty, comes through in interviews. I know you think it doesn’t but it does. Again why you are not getting jobs is if you come across in any way, shape or form like you do on your posts it screams trouble and for the jobs that you are going for there are just too many ‘easier’ candidates to hire."

While you will get no argument from me that if I'm "depressed" I'm sure that comes through at the interview where everyone has to be "on their game." Why on earth would ANY interviewer know about my LOA? No.

Easier candidates? Or do you mean those that just lie better? Some of the most professional looking men and women I know IN the industry, leave for kids' stuff at 2 or 3 pm nearly everyday; have second jobs that often take them away for days which they do NOT go on an absence. Some are tri-athlete nuts. Do you really think I'm out there at 4 pm everyday or at lunch running and sweating just to lose that extra two pounds or push my time a tenth of a second faster? No. I am working. Is that person really a better employee? No, of course not. These are preceptions about youth, strength and beauty and that have somehow transformed themselves into thoughts that these qualities make for better or smarter employees. No. It is a false social perception. In fact, you will find studies on older workers and yes, even those with health problems/disabilities, are actually more dedicated, honest and often skilled than the younger set.

 

[Anonymous]

First I stated early on that I started in the industry in the early 90’s September of 1991 as a matter of fact, so you can figure out how old I am but it is easy to see that I’m well into my 40’s. Second I told you that I do not have one person on my team under 40. I have the same team in place since the company I work at launched over 8 years ago. Not one person has quit and they were all done “climbing the ladder” so none wanted to be promoted. Again I never said anything about your disabilities I said that your attitude along with the baggage makes you a less than attractive candidate. Couple that with my original statement that you never became a therapeutic expert in a highly sought after and highly compensated field and that by your own admission have more than a few enemies I developed my opinion on you. Go back and re-read your posts you more of less have spilled your guts on each page.

Look I get it, you had a tough hand dealt to you, and you want to blame someone or something so you blame an entire industry or you focus and blame an anonymous person giving you harsh but real criticism or you blame the mean managers that you allowed to treat you poorly. You are the typical disgruntled rep who never sees anything wrong with themselves yet teammates, managers and hiring managers, none of whom know each other, sees it, feels it, and senses it..yet somehow in your deluded world they’re all wrong and you’re the one who is right…shocking that you never landed any good jobs outside of the BullS ‘infusion/biologics” which you still never told us what it was that you sold exactly. Do you really think there is some conspiracy against you by all of these unconnected people? My guess if they all saw the same flaws…the flaws you are unwilling to accept and deal with, and decided not to hire you. Again I wish you the best of luck with whatever it is you think you want, but I’ll tell you this one last time, it’s not the industry, it is you…

Lastly, you seem very sensitive and have a tough time with criticism I strongly suggest that you stop posting your life story on a blog fishing for sympathy… everyone has problems lady…you’re not the only one.

Oh, I am far from sensitive about criticism unless it's coming from a douchebag lifer - which you are. Why should I tell you what I've sold. It is such a select group that anyone reading this would instantly know who I am.

It is the industry for all the things that spill from your lips and assumptions that you seem willing to make - classic. Where did I say there is some conspiracy against me? I said that pharma and many companies for that matter are complete assholes when an employee gets sick. Take my word for it, I am far from the only one that has sued an emloyer for my health benefits. I found hundreds from all types of big companies. You just think it is ME, something I did or said. It is not. It is THE SYSTEM. You can choose to have your head in the sand, but I hope you buy your own long term care and do not count on your company to pay for squat if you or your loved one should become ill. You would be (obviously) suprised at all the people with cancer, MS, stroke, heart attack who are dumped when they need the most support. You would also be very suprised by how rude, nasty, and critical people and management can be when a person comes off leave. Once given many extended and demanding projects, you will find no one gives you anything or any credit. For whatever reason, you will find yourself no longer trusted or recognized and definitely have that "gut" feeling of a target stuck to your back. You think I am being dramatic. I am not. I was so glad to get back to work that I was giddy. That changed in about two days after my asshole manager started writing me up for shit that I in no way could have controlled because I was. . . . (hold on) . . . . ON LEAVE!!! Was that me? No. It is a system that supports dirtballs like this manager. If I say anything, the target just gets bigger. It is sort of like winning the battle but losing the war. God, you really do not get it. I am probably better off discussing this type of discrimination with my cat.

Don't worry, Karma is a bitch.

 

[Anonymous]

Wrong on all points! I never stereotyped anyone like you just did. All I said was that given the amount of out of work pharma reps it is far easier to hire someone with a lot less baggage. That is a fact in any business. But hey keep telling yourself whatever you need to! 140 studies yet you still can't tell us what you sold...you are so full of crap it has become comical. I can't wait to hear what your next adventure is in your new industry! You think pharma is bad, try any these: software sales, financial services, med device/equipment, restaurant supply, wine/beer/alcohol sales, management consultants...just to name a few...you would get eaten alive. Pharma is kinder gentler industry despite what you think.

You absolutely did stereotype and the sentence you so bluntly used is right up there above my statement. I never said any other sales would be easier. Quite frankly, I think pharma sales is a total joke. That is probably my biggest problem. To jump through all these hoops to get a job that is basically about as valuable as a used car saleperson or pot washer at a fast food restaurant. I actually do not want a pharma job. I'd like a biotech job again - maybe. However, the last interview with some fishing sounded more like big pharma.

Me? I told you the truth when I said I'm selling every single thing I own. I am going to sit around all day by a some pool, smoke dope and write screen plays while running three web businesses. Pharma can kiss my ass and I will probably wonder why it took me this long to have the courage to realize the industry is dead. You, my friend, can keep checking boxes and doing those FVs and rides, patting yourself on the back for being a fucking rock star DSM. . . I did like your Buy and Bill description. It probably helped a lot of people who needed it explained including me. I probably do not fit into this culture at all anymore.

 

[Anonymous]

Oh, I am far from sensitive about criticism unless it's coming from a douchebag lifer - which you are. Why should I tell you what I've sold. It is such a select group that anyone reading this would instantly know who I am.

It is the industry for all the things that spill from your lips and assumptions that you seem willing to make - classic. Where did I say there is some conspiracy against me? I said that pharma and many companies for that matter are complete assholes when an employee gets sick. Take my word for it, I am far from the only one that has sued an emloyer for my health benefits. I found hundreds from all types of big companies. You just think it is ME, something I did or said. It is not. It is THE SYSTEM. You can choose to have your head in the sand, but I hope you buy your own long term care and do not count on your company to pay for squat if you or your loved one should become ill. You would be (obviously) suprised at all the people with cancer, MS, stroke, heart attack who are dumped when they need the most support. You would also be very suprised by how rude, nasty, and critical people and management can be when a person comes off leave. Once given many extended and demanding projects, you will find no one gives you anything or any credit. For whatever reason, you will find yourself no longer trusted or recognized and definitely have that "gut" feeling of a target stuck to your back. You think I am being dramatic. I am not. I was so glad to get back to work that I was giddy. That changed in about two days after my asshole manager started writing me up for shit that I in no way could have controlled because I was. . . . (hold on) . . . . ON LEAVE!!! Was that me? No. It is a system that supports dirtballs like this manager. If I say anything, the target just gets bigger. It is sort of like winning the battle but losing the war. God, you really do not get it. I am probably better off discussing this type of discrimination with my cat.

Don't worry, Karma is a bitch.

this is very true...when you get sick, the company will turn against you, and you will be fought tooth and nail by the insurance company when you are most vulnerable...

FU PHARMA INDUSTRY!!

 

[Anonymous]

Oh, I am far from sensitive about criticism unless it's coming from a douchebag lifer - which you are. Why should I tell you what I've sold. It is such a select group that anyone reading this would instantly know who I am.

It is the industry for all the things that spill from your lips and assumptions that you seem willing to make - classic. Where did I say there is some conspiracy against me? I said that pharma and many companies for that matter are complete assholes when an employee gets sick. Take my word for it, I am far from the only one that has sued an emloyer for my health benefits. I found hundreds from all types of big companies. You just think it is ME, something I did or said. It is not. It is THE SYSTEM. You can choose to have your head in the sand, but I hope you buy your own long term care and do not count on your company to pay for squat if you or your loved one should become ill. You would be (obviously) suprised at all the people with cancer, MS, stroke, heart attack who are dumped when they need the most support. You would also be very suprised by how rude, nasty, and critical people and management can be when a person comes off leave. Once given many extended and demanding projects, you will find no one gives you anything or any credit. For whatever reason, you will find yourself no longer trusted or recognized and definitely have that "gut" feeling of a target stuck to your back. You think I am being dramatic. I am not. I was so glad to get back to work that I was giddy. That changed in about two days after my asshole manager started writing me up for shit that I in no way could have controlled because I was. . . . (hold on) . . . . ON LEAVE!!! Was that me? No. It is a system that supports dirtballs like this manager. If I say anything, the target just gets bigger. It is sort of like winning the battle but losing the war. God, you really do not get it. I am probably better off discussing this type of discrimination with my cat.

Don't worry, Karma is a bitch.

Blah blah blah blah blah blah...clearly you lack any sort of talent thy you landed at a horrible company with a horrible boss that is not the system. Lifer you say? Have fun with your screenwriting. Born raised in LA both parents work in entertainment I statedy career in production. Left it because it is the most horrible culture you will find of any industry and on the early 90's the CA biotech boom was happening soni gave it a shot. Let me help you here again if you think Pharma or 'normal' industry is wretched good luck with your 'screenwriting'. Please do us Californians a favor and don't move here to follow your dreams I really don't feel like paying for you when you burn through your 700k in 3 years.

So let me get this straight you sold an infused product yet didn't understand but and bill. Again you are so full of crap it has become evening comical.

 

[Anonymous]

this is very true...when you get sick, the company will turn against you, and you will be fought tooth and nail by the insurance company when you are most vulnerable...

FU PHARMA INDUSTRY!!

That's because you were a talentless big Pharma hack...big Pharma is like any other big industry. If you had talent you would have made your way to the good small biotechs where life is great the money is great the customers want to see us and the culture feels more like tech than Pharma. Again bell curve it out...most of you fall in the middle and justly are stuck at bad companies. The talented right side of the curve land at the good companies. Always been this way in every industry.

 

[Anonymous]

Blah blah blah blah blah blah...clearly you lack any sort of talent thy you landed at a horrible company with a horrible boss that is not the system. Lifer you say? Have fun with your screenwriting. Born raised in LA both parents work in entertainment I statedy career in production. Left it because it is the most horrible culture you will find of any industry and on the early 90's the CA biotech boom was happening soni gave it a shot. Let me help you here again if you think Pharma or 'normal' industry is wretched good luck with your 'screenwriting'. Please do us Californians a favor and don't move here to follow your dreams I really don't feel like paying for you when you burn through your 700k in 3 years.

So let me get this straight you sold an infused product yet didn't understand but and bill. Again you are so full of crap it has become evening comical.

I sold only to hospital acute care. That is it. So, why would I know about infusion centers and clinics and how these docs like to mark everything up and need special codes? I worked with GPOs and inpatient pharmacies. Don't worry I am not moving to CA. No wonder you are such a fucking flake. Writing does not have to be one big mess as I have no plans to "join" the entertainment industry.

 

[Anonymous]

Oh, BTW, I plan on getting federal disability so in one way shape or form, you will be paying for me anyway. You know what? After talking to you. I could give a shit. I know plenty of people far less ill than myself collecting or far less productive or creative. I have tried and this industry is hellbent on treating me like shit. Fine. I'm outta here and on disability. Fuck pharma.

 

[Anonymous]

I sold only to hospital acute care. That is it. So, why would I know about infusion centers and clinics and how these docs like to mark everything up and need special codes? I worked with GPOs and inpatient pharmacies. Don't worry I am not moving to CA. No wonder you are such a fucking flake. Writing does not have to be one big mess as I have no plans to "join" the entertainment industry.

Ah stereotyping again...nice.

Wow you really are stupid and still do not understand buy and bill...well guess it's good you decided to leave the industry. Like I said you won't be missed and I can almost hear the champaigne corks popping by your teammates and manager...

Cheers and best of luck with your new life,...but my guess is you'll be back on this board in no time...

 

[Anonymous]

I sold only to hospital acute care. That is it. So, why would I know about infusion centers and clinics and how these docs like to mark everything up and need special codes? I worked with GPOs and inpatient pharmacies. Don't worry I am not moving to CA. No wonder you are such a fucking flake. Writing does not have to be one big mess as I have no plans to "join" the entertainment industry.

My guess is this basket case sold Lovenox or Fragmin...both are companies with toxic cultures.

 

[Anonymous]

Ah stereotyping again...nice.

Wow you really are stupid and still do not understand buy and bill...well guess it's good you decided to leave the industry. Like I said you won't be missed and I can almost hear the champaigne corks popping by your teammates and manager...

Cheers and best of luck with your new life,...but my guess is you'll be back on this board in no time...

I have been on these boards since 06. No, I did not sell the guesses below. No doubt there will be cheering from the POS company I am with. But I do have to laugh; almost timed to the moment I got back in the field is a huge spike in scripts. I was first in the region q1. Then my dipshit partner changed all of our targets and we dropped like a rock. Ok, maybe I do not get B&B but even at the hospital level, pharmacy buys the drug from the wholesaler, it gets coded to the indicated patient and billed out at a certain rate. Hospital then waits for pts insurance to pay them. Not as complex as a clinic infusion of a 70k drug, where the office would have to prequalify the pt and then order from a special pharmacy. Look Vag, you sold vaccinations so do not act like you were in mega specialty biologics and were with one flipping company, pretty much making you a lifer. I got in this
game late and have been in b2b, advertising, fund development, art direction and healthcare administration. So, my view is far from myopic. The money in pharma has been great but I have never understood the snotty culture.

 

[Anonymous]

I have been on these boards since 06. No, I did not sell the guesses below. No doubt there will be cheering from the POS company I am with. But I do have to laugh; almost timed to the moment I got back in the field is a huge spike in scripts. I was first in the region q1. Then my dipshit partner changed all of our targets and we dropped like a rock. Ok, maybe I do not get B&B but even at the hospital level, pharmacy buys the drug from the wholesaler, it gets coded to the indicated patient and billed out at a certain rate. Hospital then waits for pts insurance to pay them. Not as complex as a clinic infusion of a 70k drug, where the office would have to prequalify the pt and then order from a special pharmacy. Look Vag, you sold vaccinations so do not act like you were in mega specialty biologics and were with one flipping company, pretty much making you a lifer. I got in this
game late and have been in b2b, advertising, fund development, art direction and healthcare administration. So, my view is far from myopic. The money in pharma has been great but I have never understood the snotty culture.

Yawn...

 

[Anonymous]

Yawn...

Yes, back to the topic. I believe this entire discussion and all the players pretty much sum up WHY pharma is hated. I am 100 percent sure any outsider can see the self-absorbed, myopic, narcissistic group that represents the bulk of ALL pharma employees. Thank you one and all for your input. It is all but laughable if it weren't so very sad.