Public Option Bill

Rocknwolf

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A new public option plan will be introduced this afternoon with 121 co sponsors. The plan will put pressure on the privae insurance to cut premiums or go out of business.
It's about time the dems start beating the repthugs and big business to the punch. Just watch all the confused righties scramble around, not knowing what to go after first, healthcare, financial reform, BP shakedown, war, Arizona, and now public option. It is going to be so much fun watching the little assholes panic.
 






People introduce bills all the time. If you really think this will come to the floor for a real vote, you are out of your mind, regardless of which side you are on. This is not the political climate to be introducing controversial bills and you know it. This is why cap and tax has been put off.
 






A new public option plan will be introduced this afternoon with 121 co sponsors. The plan will put pressure on the privae insurance to cut premiums or go out of business.
It's about time the dems start beating the repthugs and big business to the punch. Just watch all the confused righties scramble around, not knowing what to go after first, healthcare, financial reform, BP shakedown, war, Arizona, and now public option. It is going to be so much fun watching the little assholes panic.

Are you that fucking stupid that you don't understand that everything this moron that YOU voted in, is going to be REPEALED!!!! Do you actually think working AMERICANS will let you lazy bums ruin this great country? Are you really that much of an idiot or do you just come on CP to spew some random treehumping diatribe. Please go back to your greenpeace board or your peta board or whatever fucked board it is that you sissys comunicate with eachother.
 






A new public option plan will be introduced this afternoon with 121 co sponsors. The plan will put pressure on the privae insurance to cut premiums or go out of business.
It's about time the dems start beating the repthugs and big business to the punch. Just watch all the confused righties scramble around, not knowing what to go after first, healthcare, financial reform, BP shakedown, war, Arizona, and now public option. It is going to be so much fun watching the little assholes panic.

What's the matter, you couldn't take ILA, MFAS, SBELLE, etc., kicking your wussy ass all over the political board, so you come over here FOR SOME MORE ABUSE? You are pathetic homowolf.
 






What's the matter, you couldn't take ILA, MFAS, SBELLE, etc., kicking your wussy ass all over the political board, so you come over here FOR SOME MORE ABUSE? You are pathetic homowolf.

People like the OP like to think the government gives a shit about them. They don't. At least we know with corporations they don't either, but corps are more or less open to the fact that they don't care.

Remember, a corporation's business to stay in business and grow, the government's business is to stay in business and grow too (and to get re-elected).
 












A new public option plan will be introduced this afternoon with 121 co sponsors. The plan will put pressure on the privae insurance to cut premiums or go out of business.
It's about time the dems start beating the repthugs and big business to the punch. Just watch all the confused righties scramble around, not knowing what to go after first, healthcare, financial reform, BP shakedown, war, Arizona, and now public option. It is going to be so much fun watching the little assholes panic.


I agree.


The PO would help business who are getting gouged the health insurance monopoly. Critics need to realize that the auto industry is moving to high wage Canada to escape HC costs.
 






People like the OP like to think the government gives a shit about them. They don't. At least we know with corporations they don't either, but corps are more or less open to the fact that they don't care.

Remember, a corporation's business to stay in business and grow, the government's business is to stay in business and grow too (and to get re-elected).

If the profit motive conflicts with the common good then the service should be gvt. run. Would you want....

>private highways financed by toll booths charging whatever they want. Store prices would most likely rise.

>fire departments run for profit like HMOs? Would fire trucks go to every home?

>to file bankruptcy because an HMO canceled your policy. Canadians don't live with that threat.
 






I agree. The PO would help business who are getting gouged the health insurance monopoly. Critics need to realize that the auto industry is moving to high wage Canada to escape HC costs.

Business is moving to Canada because they are getting their deficit under control by lowering taxes and cutting spending. It is becoming a better place to do business overall. While the USA to moving left under Odumbo, Canada is moving to the right.
 






If the profit motive conflicts with the common good then the service should be gvt. run. Would you want....

>private highways financed by toll booths charging whatever they want. Store prices would most likely rise.

>fire departments run for profit like HMOs? Would fire trucks go to every home?

>to file bankruptcy because an HMO canceled your policy. Canadians don't live with that threat.

So where does it end?

Housing prices out of reach of the common person: Why not have government issued housing? Oh wait a minute, the government sort of did that by offering loans to losers who should have never had loans int he first place, *Cough* housing bubble. You know, the losers who took out 400k a year making 40 grand a year. And yet the government thought it was a good idea.

The government in my town can't fix the damn pothole that has been at the end of my street for months, despite calls and emails from me and others asking for it to get fixed.

If you think the government cares about you, you are full of it. Try calling the IRS, the DMV, your local state Representative, etc. You will notice the ambivelence towards.

I wish I could feel your belief that the government is looking out for me, that they care about me, that they will wrap me in a warm blanket and hug me.

All government is corrupt, self serving, and incompetent. From Blago to Ted Stevens the list goes on and on of idiots who "love" you. I am not saying corporations are better, but at least corporations are the ones who produce something in this society, IE jobs which are actually needed, not some bureacratic type job.
 






Business is moving to Canada because they are getting their deficit under control by lowering taxes and cutting spending. It is becoming a better place to do business overall. While the USA to moving left under Odumbo, Canada is moving to the right.

That could be true. However, car makers have been moving to Canada long before the 2008 downturn. Here is an example:

> A 2005 NYTimes article by Paul Krugman wrote how Toyota set up a plant in Canada instead of low wage Alabama. The reason: there are no HC costs for businesses in Canada.

The Public Option would mean businesses would not have to leave the U.S. to escape HC costs.
 






That could be true. However, car makers have been moving to Canada long before the 2008 downturn. Here is an example:

> A 2005 NYTimes article by Paul Krugman wrote how Toyota set up a plant in Canada instead of low wage Alabama. The reason: there are no HC costs for businesses in Canada.

The Public Option would mean businesses would not have to leave the U.S. to escape HC costs.

The same health care bill that is now found to be WAYYY more expensive than the CBO originally thought? The same bill that even fans of it are saying does nothing to control costs?

Keep racking up those deficits! Do you people even know what a trillion looks like?
$1,000,000,000,000, and If I remember correctly, the projected deficits are several times that number.

Face it, this country is fucked. Until idiots in Washington STOP SPENDING, we are doomed.

Gotta love the "entitlement" ideology.
 






The same health care bill that is now found to be WAYYY more expensive than the CBO originally thought? The same bill that even fans of it are saying does nothing to control costs?

Keep racking up those deficits! Do you people even know what a trillion looks like?
$1,000,000,000,000, and If I remember correctly, the projected deficits are several times that number.

Face it, this country is fucked. Until idiots in Washington STOP SPENDING, we are doomed.

Gotta love the "entitlement" ideology.

PO is different from Obama's HC bill. The PO would not cost ANY tax dollars, but it would take customers away from the health insurance monopoly. Obama was too gutless to take on the HMO monopoly.

The key is spending intelligently. The gas tax supports highways which means businesses can ship goods across the country w/o having to pay for toll roads. This saves you $ at the supermarket.
 






The same health care bill that is now found to be WAYYY more expensive than the CBO originally thought? The same bill that even fans of it are saying does nothing to control costs?

Keep racking up those deficits! Do you people even know what a trillion looks like?
$1,000,000,000,000, and If I remember correctly, the projected deficits are several times that number.

Face it, this country is fucked. Until idiots in Washington STOP SPENDING, we are doomed.

Gotta love the "entitlement" ideology.


PO was not in Obama's HC bill. The PO would be funded by premiums, not tax dollars, but it would take customers away from the health insurance monopoly. Obama chickened out.

The key is spending intelligently. The gas tax supports highways, and relieves business of paying for toll roads when they ship goods across the U.S. This saves you $ at the supermarket. Likewise the PO would relieve businesses of skyrocketing HC costs.
 






PO was not in Obama's HC bill. The PO would be funded by premiums, not tax dollars, but it would take customers away from the health insurance monopoly. Obama chickened out.

The key is spending intelligently. The gas tax supports highways, and relieves business of paying for toll roads when they ship goods across the U.S. This saves you $ at the supermarket. Likewise the PO would relieve businesses of skyrocketing HC costs.

The PO would cost NO tax dollars?

So when it goes insolvent, which it would, what happens? I am willing to bet that the government would not raise premiums (third rail politics shit) and would dip into some other reserve of tax dollars to pay for the shortfall.

The government would have a VERY UNFAIR advantage in offering insurance. They can run up deficits, the private insurance can't. The government could turn to raising taxes, etc. The private companies can't.

The government would always have a huge unfair advantage because they make the rules.

There is no point in convincing you. You seem to think that government should be more involved in everyday lives than most of the US does. They need to stay out of my bedroom and out of my wallet.

I bet you look forward to government issued housing, cars, food, etc.
 






The PO would cost NO tax dollars?

So when it goes insolvent, which it would, what happens? I am willing to bet that the government would not raise premiums (third rail politics shit) and would dip into some other reserve of tax dollars to pay for the shortfall.

The government would have a VERY UNFAIR advantage in offering insurance. They can run up deficits, the private insurance can't. The government could turn to raising taxes, etc. The private companies can't.

The government would always have a huge unfair advantage because they make the rules.

There is no point in convincing you. You seem to think that government should be more involved in everyday lives than most of the US does. They need to stay out of my bedroom and out of my wallet.

I bet you look forward to government issued housing, cars, food, etc.

Here is something that might answer your doubts:



You are worried about the PO putting private insureres out of business. Public colleges charge lower tuition and attract most students, but they have not put private colleges totally out of business. Even if a PO takes many customers away from the health insurance monopoly there will still a market for people who want extra medical services.
If the end result is lower premiums, who would care except for stockholders of health insurance companies?

Senator Sherrod Brown who co-authored the PO said it would be funded strictly by premiums, not taxes. Many taxpayers would be willing to try a PO because HI premiums have more than doubled over the last 10 yrs.
 






The PO would cost NO tax dollars?

So when it goes insolvent, which it would, what happens? I am willing to bet that the government would not raise premiums (third rail politics shit) and would dip into some other reserve of tax dollars to pay for the shortfall.

The government would have a VERY UNFAIR advantage in offering insurance. They can run up deficits, the private insurance can't. The government could turn to raising taxes, etc. The private companies can't.

The government would always have a huge unfair advantage because they make the rules.

There is no point in convincing you. You seem to think that government should be more involved in everyday lives than most of the US does. They need to stay out of my bedroom and out of my wallet.

I bet you look forward to government issued housing, cars, food, etc.


Here is something that might answer your doubts:



You are worried about the PO putting private insureres out of business. Public colleges charge lower tuition and attract most students, but they have not put private colleges totally out of business. Even if a PO takes many customers away from the health insurance monopoly there will still be a market for people who want extra medical services.
If the result is lower premiums, who would care except for stockholders of health insurance companies?

Senator Sherrod Brown who co-authored the PO said it would be funded strictly by premiums, not taxes. Those who don't sign up won't pay anything for it.

If you are so against anything with the govt. then I am sure you did not go to public university, and I am sure you are scared about the govt. running fire depts. or the military.
 






Here is something that might answer your doubts:



You are worried about the PO putting private insureres out of business. Public colleges charge lower tuition and attract most students, but they have not put private colleges totally out of business. Even if a PO takes many customers away from the health insurance monopoly there will still be a market for people who want extra medical services.
If the result is lower premiums, who would care except for stockholders of health insurance companies?

Senator Sherrod Brown who co-authored the PO said it would be funded strictly by premiums, not taxes. Those who don't sign up won't pay anything for it.

If you are so against anything with the govt. then I am sure you did not go to public university, and I am sure you are scared about the govt. running fire depts. or the military.

Bad arguments:

Private colleges still exist due to name recognition, family legacies, etc. Also, many private colleges offer programs that don't exist in area public colleges. Face it, the name recognition of a Stanford degree is more accepted than Southwestern-Central Pacific College, and it will get you a better job, making more money,

Furthermore, most public university systems are insolvent. I graduated from the UC system, and you read all of the time how it is broke, laying off teachers, raising tuition, etc. Public universities are dependent on state revenue's to stay afloat. With 47/50 states having massive budget deficits due to overspending, they look to cut, and colleges are the first to receive the cuts.

Sorry, fail.

The rest is all moot because the PO is dead (at least for now, and with the Democrats poised to loose a good number of seats, will be for a while more).

Senator Brown, who cares? Do you think Senators are any better informed than we are about A Public Option? Most didn't even read the bill that was passed. Do you think this senator has a crystal ball and can predict 100 % for sure that premiums wouldn't go up. You cite them as if they are the be-all, end-all authority. These are the same senator types who agreed with Bush to go to war in Iraq, the same who rushed this healthcare bill, the same who voted for TARP with little education on the pros and cons of it, the same sort of people who believed that unemplyment wouldn't reach over 8 percent, now it consistently been at 9.5% for months and months, the same idiots who considered Tax and Cap a good idea in this economy. I mean, face it, we elect idiots in both parties in both chambers and for the presidency. All they care about is getting elected and making us dependent. Don't trust any of them. Government does not care about you. They care about perpetuating their own existence.

Social Security is going broke. And most liberal types say it is because the premiums aren't high enough that we pay in. I am waiting for that argument for those that would sign up for any Public Option. The Public Option can create an artificially low premium because government is corrupt and they will find some way of dipping into other funds if the premiums don't pay for the system. If you don't think they will, then you trust Washington way too much. This is the reason SS is fucked.

Why does the government "care about me" so much? They don't. They are trying to create a class of dependent idiots that will vote them into office perpetually.

This is why no politician has the balls to either raise social security premiums or consider options like opting out of SS. They are too afraid to piss off old people or the poor. Therefore, no politician wants to admit there is a problem, or if they do, won't come up with a serious way to fix that pipe dream of a liberal social program. So the SS program continues to speed toward a cliff and we continue to run up deficits of 13 trillion dollars.

Stop the social programs. We don't need them.
 






If you forget everything else just remember 3 things:

1. You are ruled by the corporations.

2. The corporations play the music which the politicians dance to.

3. The corporations will NEVER allow a public option because they don't like competition.


If you can put those 3 facts in your peanut brains you will be way ahead of the game.
 






If you forget everything else just remember 3 things:

1. You are ruled by the corporations.

2. The corporations play the music which the politicians dance to.

3. The corporations will NEVER allow a public option because they don't like competition.


If you can put those 3 facts in your peanut brains you will be way ahead of the game.

I don't disagree with you. That being said, corporations provide the vast majority of jobs in this country.

So, I will continue to be ruled by corporations as I make EXCELLENT money, drive a nice car and have a shit load of money in the bank, gold, etc.

Works for me.