PDT Layoffs Announcement

Tildra is Sun's future. You are Sun's past. Accept it.

Sorry former J&J ass-wipe. SUN Pharma, Ranbaxy, Taro, now even DUSA are generic companies. The big amount of SUN profit comes from manufacturing commodity me-too products worldwide. The branded business (made up of branded generics that are easily replaceable) evolved to hedge profits when generic growth is flat. With new USA government pricing regulations coming, SUN teams doing crappy jobs, and the generic market still primary, there is no one at SUN who is safe. That includes all of you blowhards on Ilumya fresh off your one year listening tour. Tildra may have a patent, but competes with 10 or more other products. Several of which are superior in truth and data.

Face the music fool.
 






Actually, they’re right.
In Sun’s eyes Tildra is their future and they will act accordingly. Just bc we know its a crap drug that’s never going to really compete (especially with risankizumab) doesn’t mean they won’t circle the wagons around it and then blame the TMs for its failure.

They have already blamed the TM's
Less than one out of 10 patients submitted are getting drug, and that take 2 months minimum. This has nothing to do with the TM's. It will be the downfall of Tildra though as hcp backlash has already begun. Tildra has a year tops.
 






PDT business unit is the only one really bringing in CASH daily to the DERM division - SUN will keep those reps going as long a possible to support other business units (specifically Biologic and Acne). We all know this at SUN...

And the other reps are cheaper. PDT reps will have at least 50% replaced by cheaper Taro reps. Dont believe your managers in PDT...they are sheep who have no idea what is going on an neither does their goofy leader.
 






They have already blamed the TM's
Less than one out of 10 patients submitted are getting drug, and that take 2 months minimum. This has nothing to do with the TM's. It will be the downfall of Tildra though as hcp backlash has already begun. Tildra has a year tops.

While I don’t disagree with what you’ve said Tildras downfall will be because it’s an inferior product in a crowded and growing segment of the market.(I’m not saying anything good or bad about the TM’s- don’t know them)
Unless they get some insanely good data from a secondary indication trial Tildra is basically dead in the water.
I acknowledge there are many contributing factors for sure, the HUB, SUN marketing, et al. However, the data is pretty clear and unless it’s free there is no reason to prescribe it. It’s not even as good as some of the IL-23’s (And 17a) currently available let alone what’s coming in the next 6 months.
None of the above will stop leaderships expectations though.
 






Kidding? The Docs still write Enbrel. Everything out there beat Enbrel. Even Enbrel beat Enbrel.LOL. Sun hired a pretty experienced group of reps to peddle it. They knew how to do it. The hub couldn’t pull through damn near anything. The FRMs couldn’t help either. Docs are talking about it as the biggest f-up they ever saw. Congrats you are a part of history. If you get out soon you just might outlive the stigma on your resume.
 






Kidding? The Docs still write Enbrel. Everything out there beat Enbrel. Even Enbrel beat Enbrel.LOL. Sun hired a pretty experienced group of reps to peddle it. They knew how to do it. The hub couldn’t pull through damn near anything. The FRMs couldn’t help either. Docs are talking about it as the biggest f-up they ever saw. Congrats you are a part of history. If you get out soon you just might outlive the stigma on your resume.

HUB is probably working fine unfortunately. You can assume that a big factor here again is the lack on access coverage. The HUB cannot pull through scripts for patients who have no coverage or very poor coverage. Tht would equate to giving Ilumya away for free. The docs know that, the TMs know that. The true problem is gaining better coverage and making better deals. Stop making up access data that is not real or actionable.
 






HUB is probably working fine unfortunately. You can assume that a big factor here again is the lack on access coverage. The HUB cannot pull through scripts for patients who have no coverage or very poor coverage. Tht would equate to giving Ilumya away for free. The docs know that, the TMs know that. The true problem is gaining better coverage and making better deals. Stop making up access data that is not real or actionable.

Ilumya is dead. Just look at this step therapy from UnitedHealthcare:

Ilumya (tildrakizumab) is proven and medically necessary for provider administration for the treatment of moderate to severe plaque psoriasis when the following criteria are met:
I. Submission of medical records (e.g., chart notes, laboratory values) documenting all of the following:

A. Diagnosis of chronic moderate to severe plaque psoriasis; and

B. Greater than or equal to 5% body surface area involvement, palmoplantar, facial, genital involvement, or severe scalp psoriasis 1,2,3,6,8; and

C. Both of the following:

1. History of failure, contraindication, or intolerance to one of the following topical therapies: 4
a. Corticosteroids (e.g., betamethasone, clobetasol, desonide)
b. Vitamin D analogs (e.g., calcitriol, calcipotriene)
c. Tazarotene
d. Calcineurin inhibitors (e.g., tacrolimus, pimecrolimus)
e. Anthralin f. Coal tar; and

2. History of contraindication, intolerance, or failure of a 3 month trial of methotrexate; 6,7
and

D. History of failure, contraindication, or intolerance to both of the following preferred biologic products:

1. Humira (adalimumab)
2. Enbrel (etanercept);
and

E. One of the following:

1. History of 6 month trial of Cosentyx (secukinumab) with moderate clinical response yet residual disease
activity; or
2. Both of the following:
a. History of intolerance or adverse event to Cosentyx
b. Physician attests that in their clinical opinion the same intolerance or adverse event would not be
expected to occur with Ilumya;
and

F. Physician attestation that the patient is unable to self-administer or there is no competent caregiver to administer the drug. Physician must submit explanation; and

G. PatientisnotreceivingIlumyaincombinationwithanyofthefollowing:

1. Biologic DMARD [e.g., Humira (adalimumab), Cimzia (certolizumab), Simponi (golimumab), Cosentyx
(secukinumab), Orencia (abatacept)]

2. Janus kinase inhibitor [e.g., Xeljanz (tofacitinib)]
3. Phosphodiesterase 4 (PDE4) inhibitor [e.g. Otezla (apremilast)];

and

H. Dosing is in accordance with the United States Food and Drug Administration approved labeling; and

I. Initial authorization will be for no longer than 12 months.
 






HUB is probably working fine unfortunately. You can assume that a big factor here again is the lack on access coverage. The HUB cannot pull through scripts for patients who have no coverage or very poor coverage. Tht would equate to giving Ilumya away for free. The docs know that, the TMs know that. The true problem is gaining better coverage and making better deals. Stop making up access data that is not real or actionable.

"Tell your doctors we'll have patients their drug within ten days." That was the beginning of this disaster. What a joke. The brain child of FL I'm sure.
 






Chances are this United HC scenario would presented as 90+% covered by the SUN access team. Forget about the fact that a person will die before they actually gain access to use Ilumya and the co-pay would require a second mortgage. Make deals to lose the false access data. No HUB can work with step therapy quoted.

Ilumya is dead. Just look at this step therapy from UnitedHealthcare:

Ilumya (tildrakizumab) is proven and medically necessary for provider administration for the treatment of moderate to severe plaque psoriasis when the following criteria are met:
I. Submission of medical records (e.g., chart notes, laboratory values) documenting all of the following:

A. Diagnosis of chronic moderate to severe plaque psoriasis; and

B. Greater than or equal to 5% body surface area involvement, palmoplantar, facial, genital involvement, or severe scalp psoriasis 1,2,3,6,8; and

C. Both of the following:

1. History of failure, contraindication, or intolerance to one of the following topical therapies: 4
a. Corticosteroids (e.g., betamethasone, clobetasol, desonide)
b. Vitamin D analogs (e.g., calcitriol, calcipotriene)
c. Tazarotene
d. Calcineurin inhibitors (e.g., tacrolimus, pimecrolimus)
e. Anthralin f. Coal tar; and


2. History of contraindication, intolerance, or failure of a 3 month trial of methotrexate; 6,7
and

D. History of failure, contraindication, or intolerance to both of the following preferred biologic products:

1. Humira (adalimumab)
2. Enbrel (etanercept);
and

E. One of the following:

1. History of 6 month trial of Cosentyx (secukinumab) with moderate clinical response yet residual disease
activity; or
2. Both of the following:
a. History of intolerance or adverse event to Cosentyx
b. Physician attests that in their clinical opinion the same intolerance or adverse event would not be
expected to occur with Ilumya;
and

F. Physician attestation that the patient is unable to self-administer or there is no competent caregiver to administer the drug. Physician must submit explanation; and

G. PatientisnotreceivingIlumyaincombinationwithanyofthefollowing:

1. Biologic DMARD [e.g., Humira (adalimumab), Cimzia (certolizumab), Simponi (golimumab), Cosentyx
(secukinumab), Orencia (abatacept)]

2. Janus kinase inhibitor [e.g., Xeljanz (tofacitinib)]
3. Phosphodiesterase 4 (PDE4) inhibitor [e.g. Otezla (apremilast)];

and

H. Dosing is in accordance with the United States Food and Drug Administration approved labeling; and

I. Initial authorization will be for no longer than 12 months.
 






HUB is probably working fine unfortunately. You can assume that a big factor here again is the lack on access coverage. The HUB cannot pull through scripts for patients who have no coverage or very poor coverage. Tht would equate to giving Ilumya away for free. The docs know that, the TMs know that. The true problem is gaining better coverage and making better deals. Stop making up access data that is not real or actionable.


Hub working fine? You just lost all credibility.
 






Hub working fine? You just lost all credibility.

"HUB working fine unfortunately" means that it is working as contracted. You get what you pay for. Also, the HUB rules (set bey SUN) cannot pull off magic. The docs are going to give us the toughest cases. If they failed getting other bios, you can bet they are not getting Ilumya. Pushing those patients into the system is worthless. Patients will not get drug and HUB will still get money for processing. Net loss of big dollars and no gain in share. Big waste of time.
 


















Are you kidding? EVERYONE that isn’t Indian in origin is looking to get out of here. Any success you achieve will be reappointed and reapportioned to “The Mumbai Mob” . You have no future. You are an expendable servant and nothing more. This is known to all, including management. Since the game is no longer a secret, the Mob can’t operate in the United States. The US workers can no longer be their coolie. Game over.
 












sooooo, what’s going on? Has taro had to interview yet?
Anyone have any up to date accurate info?
Acne rep here. Acne Managers are interviewing this week in Princeton. We haven’t received any official communications on interviews other than our managers telling us the three days that are tentative for our interview. Our new manager will be interviewing the reps as well as J, Andy, and HR. I would assume Taro reps and managers are included in this timeline, but no word.
 






Acne rep here. Acne Managers are interviewing this week in Princeton. We haven’t received any official communications on interviews other than our managers telling us the three days that are tentative for our interview. Our new manager will be interviewing the reps as well as J, Andy, and HR. I would assume Taro reps and managers are included in this timeline, but no word.

After Taro is done then they move to interview pdt managers and reps. Dont be fooled, all managers and reps are on chopping block