Overtime, BABY!!!!

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Enjoy your short term ignorance and the end of your jobs. Do you think ANY company will take you after this? Well, other than those where you punch a time clock?

No wonder you all are still sales reps and can't do anything more.
 


















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OK idiot. You keep working all those extra hours at home, dinner programs, etc. for free. DOPE!
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This is what it comes to when people have no understanding of being a salaried professional and is the result of years of hiring mindless barbies and kens. No worries, you won't be working any extra hours very soon.
 






Anonymous said:
This is what it comes to when people have no understanding of being a salaried professional and is the result of years of hiring mindless barbies and kens. No worries, you won't be working any extra hours very soon.
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Not our fault NVS decided to sh!tcan all the experienced reps .
You get what you pay for douchbag ! Now PIP this;
PAY UP SUCKA !!!
 






Every action has a reaction! Novartis does not have endless pockets. Wait and see what this means to our jobs going forward. Clocking in and out like at McDonalds? Possibly more layoffs? Short term gain, long term LOSS.
 






Anonymous said:
Just filled out application for OT pay with my lawyer. Can't wait! Looking forward to getting my $350k for all of the dinner programs I was required to attend! Hell, in the long run I'll end up making more than the docs who were speaking! It was a long haul but worth it in the long run. I love BIG pharma!!!
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ARE YOU CRAZY! Keep dreaming
 






Anonymous said:
Way to go idiots. One more reason to eliminate our industry. Celebrate your overtime all the way to the unemployment line.
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AGREED 100%. The Supreme court did not RULE on this case, in fact THEY REFUSED TO HEAR IT! The status quo is that to to differing appeals court decision, in SOME parts of the country reps are entitled to overtime, and in others (depending on which appeals court has jurisdiction) they are NOT. Nothing was changed by the Supreme court, since they did not hear the case.

Before you get so excited about possible overtime consider that, the mere notion of overtime will speed the demise of the pharma rep profession. The main reason that the courts, that have ruled for overtime, is that PHARMA REPS ARE NOT SALES PEOPLE. They have stated, what so many of you have been trying to deny, YOU DO NOT SELL. Think about what that means to you when you need another job. This just cnfirms that you are overpaid do nothing "schmoozers".

In addition, drug companies really do know that most of you only work from 10-2, now you want overtime? Fine, no more fulltime pay for part time work, they can simply make it official and start more outsourcing as part time jobs. Lastly, everyone knows that reps are glorified caterers with very bloated incomes, now companies have to pay hundreds of millions more due to overtime. Nope, I dont think so, this will simply hasten the pace of the professions demise.

In the digital age, the drug rep position is an ANALOG marketing tool, and can easily be replaced at a fraction of their cost, and none of the headaches.

AFTER YOUR BRIEF CELEBRATION, YOUD BETTER SOLIDIFY YOUR PLAN B. AND YOUD BETTER SAVE THE LITTLE MONEY THAT YOU GET, POST :LAYOFF YOUR INCOMES WILL DROP LIKE ROCKS. Remember, all courts have confrimed that "sales people" are not entitled to overtime. Therefore YOU ARE NOT A SALES PERSON; so what are? The fact that you can not clearly answer that question is proof that you are doomed professionally.
 












Just so you are aware if you were layed off from novartis and you signed the severance papers than when you receive payment for this overtime lawsuit, Novartis will come after you, because if you read carefully it stated no lawsuits pretty much for anything after you take the severance. That was part of the agreement when being let go. They know that 99.9% of people will take the payout being the market just sucks and finding a decent job is hard to come by. They use to be a great company but about 5 years back they changed probably like all the other companies out there.
 






oh and you dont need to sign up for the lawsuit since it is class action , once a settlement is agreed upon who ever worked between so and so dates will be entitled as long as they opt in. Just remember what I said about the severance, that could be a little tricky but not impossible
 












I for one did not choose to Opt in, as I feel that being an exempt employee was a much better deal....the bottom line is that if you did not opt in prior to 2007, unless you live in NY or California, then you are not part of the settlement group. Verified this today with Vanessa at the lawfirm in DC....personally, I never felt that I was not being paid fairly, in fact, I feel that I've always been very well compensated for my work here at Novartis over the past 20 years. I'm hoping that all these lawsuits don't break the company for those of us who still value our jobs!
 






Anonymous said:
I for one did not choose to Opt in, as I feel that being an exempt employee was a much better deal....the bottom line is that if you did not opt in prior to 2007, unless you live in NY or California, then you are not part of the settlement group. Verified this today with Vanessa at the lawfirm in DC....personally, I never felt that I was not being paid fairly, in fact, I feel that I've always been very well compensated for my work here at Novartis over the past 20 years. I'm hoping that all these lawsuits don't break the company for those of us who still value our jobs!
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It is people like you I feel bad for because this situation, if it continues to be a "win" for the sales people, will suck for you. Whether you like it or not, whether you collect a single dollar or not, you will be moved to a time clock punching hourly worker.
 






Anonymous said:
AGREED 100%. The Supreme court did not RULE on this case, in fact THEY REFUSED TO HEAR IT! The status quo is that to to differing appeals court decision, in SOME parts of the country reps are entitled to overtime, and in others (depending on which appeals court has jurisdiction) they are NOT. Nothing was changed by the Supreme court, since they did not hear the case.

Before you get so excited about possible overtime consider that, the mere notion of overtime will speed the demise of the pharma rep profession. The main reason that the courts, that have ruled for overtime, is that PHARMA REPS ARE NOT SALES PEOPLE. They have stated, what so many of you have been trying to deny, YOU DO NOT SELL. Think about what that means to you when you need another job. This just cnfirms that you are overpaid do nothing "schmoozers".

In addition, drug companies really do know that most of you only work from 10-2, now you want overtime? Fine, no more fulltime pay for part time work, they can simply make it official and start more outsourcing as part time jobs. Lastly, everyone knows that reps are glorified caterers with very bloated incomes, now companies have to pay hundreds of millions more due to overtime. Nope, I dont think so, this will simply hasten the pace of the professions demise.

In the digital age, the drug rep position is an ANALOG marketing tool, and can easily be replaced at a fraction of their cost, and none of the headaches.

AFTER YOUR BRIEF CELEBRATION, YOUD BETTER SOLIDIFY YOUR PLAN B. AND YOUD BETTER SAVE THE LITTLE MONEY THAT YOU GET, POST :LAYOFF YOUR INCOMES WILL DROP LIKE ROCKS. Remember, all courts have confrimed that "sales people" are not entitled to overtime. Therefore YOU ARE NOT A SALES PERSON; so what are? The fact that you can not clearly answer that question is proof that you are doomed professionally.
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The 10-2 is bs I put over 110k miles a year in a rural territory with a micro managing schmuck that checked that first sample sig better be before 930 and last one after 4. If this was not met then you were on a PIP. 4 years of this sucked. I, you and everyone else in this racket after 1990 never sold anything. The industry did it to themselves. FU. I will enjoy my OT and I laugh at you schmucks still in the biz when I take my kids to the doc and see your long faces trolling about. I cleared 200k last year as a salesperson. My best year at NOV was 89k.
 






Anonymous said:
Just filled out application for OT pay with my lawyer. Can't wait! Looking forward to getting my $350k for all of the dinner programs I was required to attend! Hell, in the long run I'll end up making more than the docs who were speaking! It was a long haul but worth it in the long run. I love BIG pharma!!!
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What application? Did your lawyer get from the original firm?
 






I would have signed up right away, but was worried about retaliation. I'd say many people who might have considered it were in the same boat. Proven to be true in quite a few different cases since then.
 






Anonymous said:
This is what it comes to when people have no understanding of being a salaried professional and is the result of years of hiring mindless barbies and kens. No worries, you won't be working any extra hours very soon.
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Tool.

Yoiu are correct, you have no idea wha tit used to mean to be salary. It used to mean - You get your woek done and if it took 3 hours you went and played golf, if it took 12 you sucke dit up and did it. But you would get some days that were short, some days that were long.

Now all salary is is a way to underpay people and get more hours out of them for FREE.

Geeze, you must be a junior manager.
 






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