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Anonymous said:
Where do you live that you have this view? Most people do not live in those expensive areas, but some do. So, what is pss doing to normalize the pay for those people? Many companies do adjust salary to areas of residence especially if they pay low income in general.
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LOL. Hey porky why in the world should they "normalize" the pay? Because you want them to? This is a silly stupid job a child could do and should probably just pay minimum wage and down deep you know that. You are just too gutless and spoiled to admit. Your life sucks for a reason dimwit. You're basically stupid and your mother was likely a heavy drinker when pregnant with your goofy looking self.
 












Anonymous said:
Yeah, you must be a real winner. Down-sized twice and trolling on a CSO board. You were so good they canned your a$$ twice...and you probably are still unemployed.
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15 year vet here...and the smartest person I ever worked with in pharma. was downsized 3 times (he was a manager) in a 2 year period from 2008-9.

So, you show how naïve you are with your comments.

My advice to you on this forum: shut up.
 






Anonymous said:
15 year vet here...and the smartest person I ever worked with in pharma. was downsized 3 times (he was a manager) in a 2 year period from 2008-9.

So, you show how naïve you are with your comments.

My advice to you on this forum: shut up.
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Perhaps you didn't work with very smart people over 15 years?
 












Anonymous said:
My current manager (left pharma) is a Harvard MBA.

Where did you go to school?

And yes, the pharma. guy was smarter than my current boss, who is super intelligent. I think the guy that got downsized a few times didn't care to kiss ass.
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Look....we all know these downsizings have nothing to do with individual performance or intelligence. They get rid of salaries and pensions.

If the Harvard MBA got out of pharma, he's no genius for doing so....it's a no-brainer that pharma is not the place to be.

The question is...why are YOU still in pharma?
 






Anonymous said:
Look....we all know these downsizings have nothing to do with individual performance or intelligence. They get rid of salaries and pensions.

If the Harvard MBA got out of pharma, he's no genius for doing so....it's a no-brainer that pharma is not the place to be.

The question is...why are YOU still in pharma?
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To clarify, I left pharmaceuticals in 2012....selling to the defense industry now. Harvard MBA is my current manager.

My suggestion is to make an exit plan as fast as possible by downsizing now. You will thank me when you hit 45-55...because he older you get, the harder pill pushing will be because at that point, they know that you know that they know that you know that they know that you know that it is all a joke and you don't bring any value to them.

good luck.
 






Anonymous said:
To clarify, I left pharmaceuticals in 2012....selling to the defense industry now. Harvard MBA is my current manager.

My suggestion is to make an exit plan as fast as possible by downsizing now. You will thank me when you hit 45-55...because he older you get, the harder pill pushing will be because at that point, they know that you know that they know that you know that they know that you know that it is all a joke and you don't bring any value to them.

good luck.
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I'd say you're right.
 






Anonymous said:
I'd say you're right.
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Move to a top 10 US city if you can as well. There are tons of jobs. You can be picky and you can network with other ambitious people. I live in LA and I am constantly amazed at how many great opportunities are out there. And it makes me laugh when people bitch about the traffic and cost of living, because I know in my heart that these people are lazy and lack drive, and that is why they love to put LA down.
 






Anonymous said:
Then you'd better renegotiate.
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Could not agree more. If you have a strong resume you should be making money in line with your resume. You have proved your are not lazy if you have already hit high marks. Rich experience and an advanced degree? You should be making a strong base with strong bonus potential.

Base no less than 10% less than highest. Dont go backwards!
 






Anonymous said:
I wish mine was lazy. He's obsessed with his fn job. Thats worse and it's making some of us want to quit. Why the hell hire experienced people if you need to tail around to offices with us most of the day. He needs to get lost and check in with his new kid hires instead of the reps who have more experience than he has
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Manager ideal is not these micromanager types, they lose reps and expect the moon. How often do they schedule to see you. Tells about the manager. Work until 1,2,3,4,5,6? Tells you more. Nitpicker? Finicky? Every hair in place? Time to run!!
 






Anonymous said:
If you can't live on $75-80k in most of America then you're over your head.

$75-80K is WAY more than most Americans earn.
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Never include bonus as what you earn. Its only the weekly salary that matters, that is what you must live on. That is what is guaranteed. Bonus it chump change here anyway and is depends on sales it can disappear and you can lose it if you leave early.
 












Anonymous said:
Manager ideal is not these micromanager types, they lose reps and expect the moon. How often do they schedule to see you. Tells about the manager. Work until 1,2,3,4,5,6? Tells you more. Nitpicker? Finicky? Every hair in place? Time to run!!
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You always sound very manic. Are you on some type of stimulant narcotic?
 






Anonymous said:
Could not agree more. If you have a strong resume you should be making money in line with your resume. You have proved your are not lazy if you have already hit high marks. Rich experience and an advanced degree? You should be making a strong base with strong bonus potential.

Base no less than 10% less than highest. Dont go backwards!
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When you see a manager offer a crap experience rep the same as a grad school level rep level with a dozen years you know it's time to say no.
 


















Anonymous said:
Could not agree more. If you have a strong resume you should be making money in line with your resume. You have proved your are not lazy if you have already hit high marks. Rich experience and an advanced degree? You should be making a strong base with strong bonus potential.

Base no less than 10% less than highest. Dont go backwards!
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I completely agree! I have a great resume and a masters degree in sociology and many years of pharma sales experience with high marks! I have been unemployed for over 2 years since I was downsized but I refused the accept a new job for at least 10% more than my salary which was a $87,000 base! I worked for that degree and and was employed a long time with my big pharma employer. I deserve this and will wait for the right offer!
 












Anonymous said:
I completely agree! I have a great resume and a masters degree in sociology and many years of pharma sales experience with high marks! I have been unemployed for over 2 years since I was downsized but I refused the accept a new job for at least 10% more than my salary which was a $87,000 base! I worked for that degree and and was employed a long time with my big pharma employer. I deserve this and will wait for the right offer!
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Sociology - uses various methods of empirical investigation and critical analysis to develop a body of knowledge about social order, social disorder and social change.

You must have been a"D" student. Not paying attention to the empirical data on your chances of getting a job after two years unemployment.

But you keep the faith and I know you'll get what you deserve--HA
 






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