Is it true OCEAN done in September?

FYI : Former P-4 rep here
We attended a Pfizer three day function in the wine country at swanky resort not long before many of us were laid off. POA not a good indicator of job stability.
 












You think they would come on here and inform if they were someone who actually had anything to do with weither or not the contract get extended? I share in your hope but that is all we will have until about June or July then we should all have a better idea. POA's mean nothing. From my view if it all quiet and nothing is said positive or neg. then it's doomed. If extended then we will be guessing again somewhere around November. Take it day by day. Keep a look out for yourself if you know what is best.
 


















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Crestor is on patent until 2015. Most of the Ocean reps are seasoned veteran professionals with long standing relationships in key clinics. AZ is getting cost effective bargain for the most part with the Ocean sales team. Many AZ reps are grossly overpaid and are little more than sample droppers. No doubt that Crestor is in a heated battle with generic encroachment,
but the efficacy data is so powerful it should maintain tier 2 status on most major payer formularies. It would be a good business decision on the part of AZ to keep Ocean on board for at least another year.
 






Don't threaten to take someone else job because you think they are sample droppers. Leave that job of dropping samples up to the CSA's. Karma can come and get you if you think you are any better than any of the AZ direct people out there cashing a paycheck. If you are truly a seasoned rep than you should know better. This is not a career anymore but simply a job. Yes, it might make sence to think they would keep Ocean and have another layoff but don't try to inject common sence into the equation. I would suggest this. Make your calls and meet your metrics. The lack of data and bonus makes me think this contract is dead by Sept. On that point, I hope that I am wrong but don't think that because it makes good sence to you that it will happen that way. Perpair now for the worse case and be pleasantly surprized by the best outcome. Good luck to us all.
 






Don't threaten to take someone else job because you think they are sample droppers. Leave that job of dropping samples up to the CSA's. Karma can come and get you if you think you are any better than any of the AZ direct people out there cashing a paycheck. If you are truly a seasoned rep than you should know better. This is not a career anymore but simply a job. Yes, it might make sence to think they would keep Ocean and have another layoff but don't try to inject common sence into the equation. I would suggest this. Make your calls and meet your metrics. The lack of data and bonus makes me think this contract is dead by Sept. On that point, I hope that I am wrong but don't think that because it makes good sence to you that it will happen that way. Perpair now for the worse case and be pleasantly surprized by the best outcome. Good luck to us all.

Time will tell. Sales data looks very sketchy since March.
 






Don't threaten to take someone else job because you think they are sample droppers. Leave that job of dropping samples up to the CSA's. Karma can come and get you if you think you are any better than any of the AZ direct people out there cashing a paycheck. If you are truly a seasoned rep than you should know better. This is not a career anymore but simply a job. Yes, it might make sence to think they would keep Ocean and have another layoff but don't try to inject common sence into the equation. I would suggest this. Make your calls and meet your metrics. The lack of data and bonus makes me think this contract is dead by Sept. On that point, I hope that I am wrong but don't think that because it makes good sence to you that it will happen that way. Perpair now for the worse case and be pleasantly surprized by the best outcome. Good luck to us all.

I completely agree with this post. Personally, I can think of many good reasons to keep this contract alive and many reasons to end it. The whole thing has been a little screwy since the beginning, but that just sees to be the way AZ rolls.

Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

I also hope that IF this thing ends by Sept, that they'll give us decent notice. That would be the decent thing to do. I guess we just have to wait and see...
 






I completely agree with this post. Personally, I can think of many good reasons to keep this contract alive and many reasons to end it. The whole thing has been a little screwy since the beginning, but that just sees to be the way AZ rolls.

Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

I also hope that IF this thing ends by Sept, that they'll give us decent notice. That would be the decent thing to do. I guess we just have to wait and see...

Based on the sales data we have received, it looks like Crestor is holding its own as far as market share goes. Generics and Tier 1 are certainly going to put a dent in Crestor sales, but Crestor has the efficacy data and slowing progression indication which will keep it on Tier 2. If the reps address mhc issues, they can navigate through this shit storm and get their fair share of NRxs. If the national performance is strong for Ocean, the contract will be renewed for at least another year.
 






Based on the sales data we have received, it looks like Crestor is holding its own as far as market share goes. Generics and Tier 1 are certainly going to put a dent in Crestor sales, but Crestor has the efficacy data and slowing progression indication which will keep it on Tier 2. If the reps address mhc issues, they can navigate through this shit storm and get their fair share of NRxs. If the national performance is strong for Ocean, the contract will be renewed for at least another year.

This makes sense but then they would have to do two things....
1. Stop having CSA's having Crestor in their bags (all they do is cock block us from seeing the doc) and...
2. Get rid of more AZ reps. Almost all of them were retained in my area during the most recent layoff.
 






This makes sense but then they would have to do two things....
1. Stop having CSA's having Crestor in their bags (all they do is cock block us from seeing the doc) and...
2. Get rid of more AZ reps. Almost all of them were retained in my area during the most recent layoff.

Exactly. The current structure is too much. One "group" needs to go.
 






Well looking at it from a cost perspective, which I am sure they are doing at AZ. I have to thing the Ocean get dropped and the CSA and AZ direct stay the same. They are giving the CSA's new products to drop off and we are getting ever closer to September without and word of extention or numbers for that fact. Change is coming and unfortunatly for Ocean and possible a few of the AZ direct people, I don't think it will be kind. CSA's are cheap and they get a sample on the shelve. They get paid to drop stuff off. It makes no sence to not put a message behind that delivery but when you are trying to save money and big change is coming to the industry. Short sightedness and stock price is all that concerns the company right now. They are looking at other companies that Im sure but if nothing happens soon it will be too late. You may say numbers look good but it they do who deserves the credit? CSA,Ocean or AZ dierct. Pod's killed the result based keeping the best, now it's just meeting the metrics and who can we get to do it at the least cost to us. Welcome to the unstable world of Contract. Can't blame the CSA's they get a real job if you will. All have no pharma experince so they can't see they are getting used and will be out of a job just as soon as the comany see's no more value in sample dropers. It's a shame that what was once a good career has turned into an absolute joke.
 






It will probably come down to a coin flip. If it is for the extention then AZ will say 2 out of three. No numbers, no info from managment about extention, no new products, no good news = bad news. Just how long can AZ or Publicis expect to keep moral up when everybody is wondering if it all is to end in Sept. If it stays quiet thru June, I am assuming it's over. Make your calls to get that extra hundred bucks or whatever the metric says, hope for a bonus or plan to come into place sometime. Clean up the resume, it's time to move on. It's like a bag of shit that sits in the corner. Everybody can smell it, some can even see it, but people continue to walk into the room and ask what is that smell. Management in it's absence of leadership and transparence asks what are you talking about? Everyday it's the same stuff different day. 16 weeks and counting...
 






By the way, if it's over, are we talking Sept. 1 or Sept. 30th? Technically this contract probably started Sept. 1 with the hiring of DMs, etc. Sales reps started Sept. 19th. If this is truly 1 year from official start, we're done at the end of August or BY Sept. 1. That seems REALLY near.
 






It will probably come down to a coin flip. If it is for the extention then AZ will say 2 out of three. No numbers, no info from managment about extention, no new products, no good news = bad news. Just how long can AZ or Publicis expect to keep moral up when everybody is wondering if it all is to end in Sept. If it stays quiet thru June, I am assuming it's over. Make your calls to get that extra hundred bucks or whatever the metric says, hope for a bonus or plan to come into place sometime. Clean up the resume, it's time to move on. It's like a bag of shit that sits in the corner. Everybody can smell it, some can even see it, but people continue to walk into the room and ask what is that smell. Management in it's absence of leadership and transparence asks what are you talking about? Everyday it's the same stuff different day. 16 weeks and counting...

If DMs with open territories have the OK to fill them at this point, it is likely the contract will be extended.
 






I am interviewing for an open territory. The recruiter I spoke to stated the same thing. If the ok has been given to fill open territories,the contract will probably be extended.
 






I am interviewing for an open territory. The recruiter I spoke to stated the same thing. If the ok has been given to fill open territories,the contract will probably be extended.

You'd think... But anyone that's been around the industry a while could tell you anything is possible. It may not make sense, but it's not unheard of for people to be hired, trained, then let go less than 6 weeks later. It's happened to me and I've seen it happen to others. Contract and direct. It's basically business as usual until the powers-that-be make an official announcement. It's too hard to make any assumptions just yet. But good luck!
 






You'd think... But anyone that's been around the industry a while could tell you anything is possible. It may not make sense, but it's not unheard of for people to be hired, trained, then let go less than 6 weeks later. It's happened to me and I've seen it happen to others. Contract and direct. It's basically business as usual until the powers-that-be make an official announcement. It's too hard to make any assumptions just yet. But good luck!

Unfortunately, I absolutely agree with this. a long time ago I was on a contract and we expanded to hire for a new position, then about 8 weeks later he and all of our jobs were eliminated.

I would not take this Ocean position unless you had no other options. Not sure if you could even qualify for unemployment if it ends since you would only be working until Sept if it did end.
 






Unfortunately, I absolutely agree with this. a long time ago I was on a contract and we expanded to hire for a new position, then about 8 weeks later he and all of our jobs were eliminated.

I would not take this Ocean position unless you had no other options. Not sure if you could even qualify for unemployment if it ends since you would only be working until Sept if it did end.

I think they would consolidate open territories rather than fill them in Crestor/Ocean contract wasn't at least in the negotiation phase. Crestor is the AZ cash cow and multi billion $/yr product with at least 3 years left on patent exp. It's a waiting game from June on.