I work at amgen. ask me anthing. I'll answer honestly

(I'm the real OP)- no sales representatives are on the "transition team". We don't have an official team yet and won't until closer to the closing date. I have been in high level discussions and only ideas have been thrown around. No decisions have been made or will be made till after the sale closes.

And as I previously stated keeping horizon mainly intact and having that serve as our rare disease has some traction.

High level discussions. Suuurre.

Anyway, here’s some of the info from the preliminary proxy statement. I want to draw your attention to 2 statements in particular
1) Globally, including the U.S., the Combined Group will benefit from Amgen’s experience in commercial operations such as access, medical, patient support and overall scale/expertise in marketing and sales.
2) The Transaction is expected to deliver annual pre-tax cost synergies of at least $500 million by the end of the third fiscal year following the Completion.

Now, tell me that sounds like Horizon is going to operate independently like some have predicted. Tell me that there is no plan whatsoever for any changes. You don’t tell the SEC and the world that you predict to save any amount of money without having already figured out some significant parts of the transition. The “OP” on here isn’t a part of any meetings with anyone who knows WTF is going on.


Amgen’s Reasons for the Transaction
Amgen believes there is a compelling strategic and financial rationale for undertaking the Transaction, which is expected to deliver the following benefits:
The Transaction adds first-in-class and best-in-class innovative medicines that fit well with Amgen’s portfolio and strategic vision
• Since its founding in 2005, Horizon has successfully built a robust business with continued growth potential. TEPEZZA, KRYSTEXXA and UPLIZNA are innovative biologic medicines with impressive benefits that are reaching a growing number of patients suffering from serious diseases. These three early life cycle products collectively generated $2.0 billion of sales through the first nine (9) months of 2022.
• Amgen’s long-term strategy includes a focus on first-in-class and best-in-class innovative therapeutics that treat grievous illness, and on delivering those medicines to more patients around the world.
• Horizon’s focus and products align well with Amgen’s long-term growth strategy:
• Amgen’s growth reflects contributions from therapies with large addressable patient populations (such as cardiovascular disease, osteoporosis, psoriasis and asthma), as well as therapies that address diseases with lower prevalence (such as ANCA-associated vasculitis, immune thrombocytopenic purpura and acute lymphoblastic leukemia) that are adjacent to Amgen’s core therapeutic areas. TEPEZZA and KRYSTEXXA are a strong fit with the latter category and help to further diversify the Combined Group’s revenue outlook.
• TEPEZZA has significant growth potential in key ex-U.S. markets such as Europe and Japan, which complements Amgen’s international growth strategy.
• Horizon’s R&D efforts include significant lifecycle management expansion for currently marketed products, along with an innovative mid- to late-stage pipeline with opportunities for advancement of novel programs in disease areas such as myasthenia gravis, IgG4-related disease, systemic lupus erythematosus, lupus nephritis and Sjogren’s Syndrome.
Amgen’s global scale and 20-year history in commercializing inflammation therapies can accelerate growth of Horizon’s portfolio
• TEPEZZA is mechanistically rooted in inflammation and KRYSTEXXA is commercially aligned with Enbrel and TAVNEOS, given the shared rheumatology prescriber base. UPLIZNA targets an autoimmune disorder (neuromyelitis optica spectrum disorder), which is also consistent with Amgen’s expertise in inflammation.
• Horizon also has recent product approvals in Europe and Japan, where Amgen has existing commercial platforms that could be quickly leveraged and augmented with a specialized sales force where needed. Globally, including the U.S., the Combined Group will benefit from Amgen’s experience in commercial operations such as access, medical, patient support and overall scale/expertise in marketing and sales.





Strong financial profile with non-GAAP EPS accretion from 2024 and significant cash flow generation enabling continued attractive shareholder payouts and investment in innovation
• The robust free cash flow generated by the Combined Group (approximately $10 billion over the twelve (12) months through the third quarter of 2022) will enable de-levering following the Completion, while continuing to support investment in the Combined Group’s pipeline and commercial brands.
• The Transaction is expected to be accretive to Amgen’s revenue and non-GAAP earnings per share from 2024. Amgen is not providing or updating 2022 or 2030 guidance as a result of the Transaction.
• Amgen’s goal is to maintain a strong investment grade credit profile with debt leverage that is in-line with current levels by the end of 2025. Amgen expects to support this goal with over $10 billion of debt retirement through that period.
• Amgen remains committed to growing its annual dividend over time.
O• The Transaction is expected to deliver annual pre-tax cost synergies of at least $500 million by the end of the third fiscal year following the Completion.
 






From the preliminary proxy statement filed with the SEC https://ir.horizontherapeutics.com/static-files/ccfaf8ae-e354-494f-b0da-a71edc9765cb#page21

We will keep our bases and target bonus for at least 1 year prior to completion of transaction.

“Employee Matters

From the effective time through the first anniversary of the effective time (the “Continuation Period”), Amgen will provide, or will cause Acquirer Sub to provide (i) each continuing Horizon employee with a base salary or hourly rate no less favorable than as provided immediately prior to the effective time, (ii) each continuing Horizon employee with a target annual or quarterly cash bonus, incentive compensation (excluding any special, retention or one-time award opportunities), and commissions opportunities (as applicable) that are no less favorable than that in effect immediately prior to the effective time, and (iii) for continuing Horizon employees as a group, employee benefits that are no less favorable in the aggregate than those provided to similarly-situated employees of Amgen and its subsidiaries. For purposes of clause (iii), any equity, defined benefit pension plans, nonqualified deferred compensation plans, retiree health or welfare benefits, post-termination health or welfare benefits and retention or change in control payments or awards will not be taken into account.”
 












For those that are kept on, at least we keep our bases & target bonus/ic for a year.

https://ir.horizontherapeutics.com/static-files/ccfaf8ae-e354-494f-b0da-a71edc9765cb#page21



From the preliminary proxy statement filed with the SEC

“Employee Matters

From the effective time through the first anniversary of the effective time (the “Continuation Period”), Amgen will provide, or will cause Acquirer Sub to provide (i) each continuing Horizon employee with a base salary or hourly rate no less favorable than as provided immediately prior to the effective time, (ii) each continuing Horizon employee with a target annual or quarterly cash bonus, incentive compensation (excluding any special, retention or one-time award opportunities), and commissions opportunities (as applicable) that are no less favorable than that in effect immediately prior to the effective time, and (iii) for continuing Horizon employees as a group, employee benefits that are no less favorable in the aggregate than those provided to similarly-situated employees of Amgen and its subsidiaries. For purposes of clause (iii), any equity, defined benefit pension plans, nonqualified deferred compensation plans, retiree health or welfare benefits, post-termination health or welfare benefits and retention or change in control payments or awards will not be taken into account.”
 






High level discussions. Suuurre.

Anyway, here’s some of the info from the preliminary proxy statement. I want to draw your attention to 2 statements in particular
1) Globally, including the U.S., the Combined Group will benefit from Amgen’s experience in commercial operations such as access, medical, patient support and overall scale/expertise in marketing and sales.
2) The Transaction is expected to deliver annual pre-tax cost synergies of at least $500 million by the end of the third fiscal year following the Completion.

Now, tell me that sounds like Horizon is going to operate independently like some have predicted. Tell me that there is no plan whatsoever for any changes. You don’t tell the SEC and the world that you predict to save any amount of money without having already figured out some significant parts of the transition. The “OP” on here isn’t a part of any meetings with anyone who knows WTF is going on.


Amgen’s Reasons for the Transaction
Amgen believes there is a compelling strategic and financial rationale for undertaking the Transaction, which is expected to deliver the following benefits:
The Transaction adds first-in-class and best-in-class innovative medicines that fit well with Amgen’s portfolio and strategic vision
• Since its founding in 2005, Horizon has successfully built a robust business with continued growth potential. TEPEZZA, KRYSTEXXA and UPLIZNA are innovative biologic medicines with impressive benefits that are reaching a growing number of patients suffering from serious diseases. These three early life cycle products collectively generated $2.0 billion of sales through the first nine (9) months of 2022.
• Amgen’s long-term strategy includes a focus on first-in-class and best-in-class innovative therapeutics that treat grievous illness, and on delivering those medicines to more patients around the world.
• Horizon’s focus and products align well with Amgen’s long-term growth strategy:
• Amgen’s growth reflects contributions from therapies with large addressable patient populations (such as cardiovascular disease, osteoporosis, psoriasis and asthma), as well as therapies that address diseases with lower prevalence (such as ANCA-associated vasculitis, immune thrombocytopenic purpura and acute lymphoblastic leukemia) that are adjacent to Amgen’s core therapeutic areas. TEPEZZA and KRYSTEXXA are a strong fit with the latter category and help to further diversify the Combined Group’s revenue outlook.
• TEPEZZA has significant growth potential in key ex-U.S. markets such as Europe and Japan, which complements Amgen’s international growth strategy.
• Horizon’s R&D efforts include significant lifecycle management expansion for currently marketed products, along with an innovative mid- to late-stage pipeline with opportunities for advancement of novel programs in disease areas such as myasthenia gravis, IgG4-related disease, systemic lupus erythematosus, lupus nephritis and Sjogren’s Syndrome.
Amgen’s global scale and 20-year history in commercializing inflammation therapies can accelerate growth of Horizon’s portfolio
• TEPEZZA is mechanistically rooted in inflammation and KRYSTEXXA is commercially aligned with Enbrel and TAVNEOS, given the shared rheumatology prescriber base. UPLIZNA targets an autoimmune disorder (neuromyelitis optica spectrum disorder), which is also consistent with Amgen’s expertise in inflammation.
• Horizon also has recent product approvals in Europe and Japan, where Amgen has existing commercial platforms that could be quickly leveraged and augmented with a specialized sales force where needed. Globally, including the U.S., the Combined Group will benefit from Amgen’s experience in commercial operations such as access, medical, patient support and overall scale/expertise in marketing and sales.





Strong financial profile with non-GAAP EPS accretion from 2024 and significant cash flow generation enabling continued attractive shareholder payouts and investment in innovation
• The robust free cash flow generated by the Combined Group (approximately $10 billion over the twelve (12) months through the third quarter of 2022) will enable de-levering following the Completion, while continuing to support investment in the Combined Group’s pipeline and commercial brands.
• The Transaction is expected to be accretive to Amgen’s revenue and non-GAAP earnings per share from 2024. Amgen is not providing or updating 2022 or 2030 guidance as a result of the Transaction.
• Amgen’s goal is to maintain a strong investment grade credit profile with debt leverage that is in-line with current levels by the end of 2025. Amgen expects to support this goal with over $10 billion of debt retirement through that period.
• Amgen remains committed to growing its annual dividend over time.
O• The Transaction is expected to deliver annual pre-tax cost synergies of at least $500 million by the end of the third fiscal year following the Completion.

$500 in cost savings will be major layoffs across all divisions, possibly with Amgen as well
 












(OP here). That’s a rational and logical thought

STOP with your "original O/P" nonsense.

ANYONE can post on here, and we know information as you do. Ridiculous. Just because you are the original O/P does NOT mean you know more than others of us that work at Amgen and are in the know.

NO we are not trolls if we answer questions. GROW UP. Childish and narcissistic behavior from you. You do not OWN this thread!!!
 






Amgen's formula is to talk kindly, but slowly and innocuously force a culture of teleconferences and management book buzzwords onto you. The IC plan will be flattened so that the top performers make very similar to the bottom performers.

Their ultimate formula is when times are tough, instead of actually adjusting to the market, they will pay a vendor to run an analysis where the conclusion is.....wait, wait.....make more calls against A and B rheumatology targets....even if they don't exist. All they know is accounting. They are a massive bank and they count money. They are not a marketing machine.

Get used to teleconferences. At least 3 a week and usually when you should be doing a lunch.

100% agree

Amgen will take over. Amgen will make you be on massive calls all the time, and Amgen won't conform to Horizon. It's Amgen's way or NO WAY!
 






OP here- I setup my thread for you guys to ask questions and I offered to answer the best I can. I'm sorry people are trolling my thread.

Please continue to ask and I'll continue to answer. Nothing is completely decided about the integration especially what sleeve sales reps will fall into or layoffs.
 






$500 million in cost savings could mean big layoffs from both companies

Original OP here again...

No it doesn't. Lots of expenses in that and not just people expense. Yes you don't need double marketing, double sales directors, double HR, double compliance, double IT etc. So some layoffs but not massive. 500 million over 3 years isn't really that much with companies the size of Amgen.
 






Well, I think we have at least established that Horizon will not be left to operate as an independent subsidiary, and that all of the Amgen people claiming that they know anything about what will happen to us actually don’t know much, if anything, as it IS and HAS BEEN known that we will keep our bases & target IC (at least for a year).

No one knows for sure where the $500 million in savings from “synergies” will come from, but it seems fairly logical that a lot of it will come from HQ (and other non-sales) & any redundant roles/services. We tend to act like sales reps are the majority of employees, but there are 2000 employees - finance, accounting, IT, manufacturing, R&D, medical, marketing, There’s the cost of facilities, supplies/material, third party vendors/services…the sports sponsorships. I’m no accountant, though.
 






Well, I think we have at least established that Horizon will not be left to operate as an independent subsidiary, and that all of the Amgen people claiming that they know anything about what will happen to us actually don’t know much, if anything, as it IS and HAS BEEN known that we will keep our bases & target IC (at least for a year).

No one knows for sure where the $500 million in savings from “synergies” will come from, but it seems fairly logical that a lot of it will come from HQ (and other non-sales) & any redundant roles/services. We tend to act like sales reps are the majority of employees, but there are 2000 employees - finance, accounting, IT, manufacturing, R&D, medical, marketing, There’s the cost of facilities, supplies/material, third party vendors/services…the sports sponsorships. I’m no accountant, though.

You can keep your target IC, but it will be capped.
 






While losing the money would suck, I’m all for a company car. Less responsibility. Some companies offer nice cars, I came from Genentech and we had Mercedes, fully loaded Jeep Grand Cherokee, and Audis as car options


I have no idea if this will apply to us, but Chemocentryx reps were brought in as KAMs (which I believe that we will be as well given our bases). They already picked their cars, and had a lot of good options, including the Volvo XC60. With the mikes that many of us put on our vehicles, getting a fleet car will definitely save us money in the long run as well as short term.
 






You can keep your target IC, but it will be capped.


First of all, you don’t anything for sure. Secondly, many of us don’t care. In fact, I hope that the first people let go are our IC folks. There’s a budget every quarter for a BU’s IC at every company, so if it’s capped, it will be a more even spread vs a feast or famine situation or one where new people who have inherited underperforming territories are screwed because the minimum goal just keeps getting increased so much that it’s tough to catch up….and then the people who have been here awhile & have 1 or 2 docs (usually speakers) consistently writing are CB making a butt load of money each quarter for doing less work,
 






How much does Amgen give for home internet? Cell phone? Caps on number of speaker programs? Caps on attendees at speaker programs? Do they have TLL's? What is stock purchase program? Who do you use for your HUB services? Is BCBS your insurance provider? What is KAM salary band range and how much extra in bonus?
 






First of all, you don’t anything for sure. Secondly, many of us don’t care. In fact, I hope that the first people let go are our IC folks. There’s a budget every quarter for a BU’s IC at every company, so if it’s capped, it will be a more even spread vs a feast or famine situation or one where new people who have inherited underperforming territories are screwed because the minimum goal just keeps getting increased so much that it’s tough to catch up….and then the people who have been here awhile & have 1 or 2 docs (usually speakers) consistently writing are CB making a butt load of money each quarter for doing less work,

You must be a shitty rep then not making the big bonuses. If it was just speakers why don't you have speakers in your territory? We have so many garbage reps can't wait to clean house of them.
 






I have no idea if this will apply to us, but Chemocentryx reps were brought in as KAMs (which I believe that we will be as well given our bases). They already picked their cars, and had a lot of good options, including the Volvo XC60. With the mikes that many of us put on our vehicles, getting a fleet car will definitely save us money in the long run as well as short term.

Volvo xc60? I prefer to drive my 95k mercedes anyday and everyday. I'll pay the extra expense.
 












How much does Amgen give for home internet? Cell phone? Caps on number of speaker programs? Caps on attendees at speaker programs? Do they have TLL's? What is stock purchase program? Who do you use for your HUB services? Is BCBS your insurance provider? What is KAM salary band range and how much extra in bonus?

You can expense your internet. No phone allowance, you get a company cell. Program specific is budgeted at the district level per slide deck. Amgenassist is in-house for hub services. KAM position is more of a contacting for discounts position. 50k with a cap at double.
 






First of all, you don’t anything for sure. Secondly, many of us don’t care. In fact, I hope that the first people let go are our IC folks. There’s a budget every quarter for a BU’s IC at every company, so if it’s capped, it will be a more even spread vs a feast or famine situation or one where new people who have inherited underperforming territories are screwed because the minimum goal just keeps getting increased so much that it’s tough to catch up….and then the people who have been here awhile & have 1 or 2 docs (usually speakers) consistently writing are CB making a butt load of money each quarter for doing less work,

All Amgen employees have a cap IC at double the target. Target IC won’t change. But you can’t do more than double it (per quarter).