How does eCardio get away with it?

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Trailblazer:
"Physicians and other Medicare providers who have received inappropriate payments for long-term cardiac monitoring are encouraged to return those monies to Medicare. Instructions for making voluntary refunds to TrailBlazer are available on our Web site."
 












Anonymous said:
Nobody is paying back anything numb-nuts! Geez, why don't you guys go out and sell something? Sell your product! You worry more about other companies more than your own. No one has EVER given money back and no one ever will. Get off that thought. Coattails? If you guys were any good you would OWN the market by now. Shoot, you have had such a head start you should not be giving away so much market share. Really, it is sad how much the two big knucklehead "Big Guys" have GIVEN away.
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Go look in your manual one how eCardio tells customers to bill. Customer- if you are billing Medicare, bill CPT Code #93799 (nevermind that this is the CPT code for unlisted device which pretty much signals RED FLAGS for billing specialists). If you are billing a private insurance, great! Bill CPT code #93237... heck, bill it for each day the patient wears it! What's that... no we know that's an old holter code but its the closest code to our "unique device". Now I'm no billing expert, but to bill Medicare differently than Privates is not only ill-advised but also fraud or eFraudio for those that have been drinking the Kool Aid you company spews.
 






eAnonymous said:
Go look in your manual one how eCardio tells customers to bill. Customer- if you are billing Medicare, bill CPT Code #93799 (nevermind that this is the CPT code for unlisted device which pretty much signals RED FLAGS for billing specialists). If you are billing a private insurance, great! Bill CPT code #93237... heck, bill it for each day the patient wears it! What's that... no we know that's an old holter code but its the closest code to our "unique device". Now I'm no billing expert, but to bill Medicare differently than Privates is not only ill-advised but also fraud or eFraudio for those that have been drinking the Kool Aid you company spews.
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The thing your missing is that doctors are aware of this, and dont care. They just want to make as much profit for their practice as possible.
 






Exactly! This is the main reason it has continued. Many insurance companies have stopped paying on it, but offices are still making more if the get denied on 80% of the claims.
 












What ecardio is doing is flat wrong. They know it, however, they are just playing by the rules allowed by CMS and the privates. As long as they allow it and do nothing short of running them out of business will anything change. Sure we can all take 15 yr old holter codes and apply the terminology to today's technology. The difference is we choose not to corrupt the system in such a way. Tigers don't change their stripes and ecardio will continue to be the prost...tes of the monitoring business no matter what the name of their company is on the business card.
 












Anonymous said:
eCardio is ranked 435 in recent Inc Magazine fastest growing companies!!! Haters keep hating us but we are the best monitoring company out there!!!
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Everyone who uses you hates your "service" they say your staff is pitiful. Anyone can buy their way on a list such as INC. Your executive team is good at getting money and paying people such as Frost and Sullivan to heap praise on you. It is short lived, the proof is in the pudding. You guys stink!! And are nothing more than scam artists in business suites.
 






Are YOU serious? Ecardio is the ONLY company to come out with new devices this year and hiring more reps. Last I heard CN was downsizing and the LW reps are few and far between. The service has been so bad in recent years Ecardio is getting more business by accident than on purpose due to the shitty "service" from the bigger two. With the head-start that CN and LW enjoyed they should OWN the market. The door is wide open now.
 






Anonymous said:
Are YOU serious? Ecardio is the ONLY company to come out with new devices this year and hiring more reps. Last I heard CN was downsizing and the LW reps are few and far between. The service has been so bad in recent years Ecardio is getting more business by accident than on purpose due to the shitty "service" from the bigger two. With the head-start that CN and LW enjoyed they should OWN the market. The door is wide open now.
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Yeah, I am serious!! Ecardio hasn't come out with anything, Biotel/Braemar has and it is all second rate crap. You have a 920W and an Evolution and according to your marketing info and the specs, they are exactly the same. I guess you need one for the chumps you convince to illegally bill daily and one for those who don't want that option. The door is open and it is only a matter of time before your magnificant management decides to change the name and run through that open door. Ever hear of HMS and Cardiostaff? Don't let that door hit you on your backside on the way out.
 






Wow. Ecardio is really getting to you, eh? You still never addresses the real situation here...CN and LW have dropped the ball and let the competition run wild. The business that CN and LW lost is not coming back to them. There is way better service out there and accounts are finding this out. If your monitors are so great why are they not getting reimbursed like you think they should? Let's have some accountability. With more cuts to come do you think CMS will have a change of heart and see the light about the MCOT and ACT? There is way too much CONFUSION going on at CN and LW and accounts know it. This is a SERVICE business, period.
 






How do eCardio's device work? Is it time sampling, does it record and store everything? Only record for the first 24hrs, then transmits any events based on their algorithm? Transmit 30 seconds of ECG data every 10 minutes? Thanks in advance.
 






BC is sending demand letters to practices in Alabama for restitution of fraudulent charges. Ecardio has sold these docs a bill of goods, and is not providing NO support. Lawsuits are being filed. Ecardio is in deep sht now.. Don't believe? Call a cardiology practice in Alabama and check it out for yourself.
 






Anonymous said:
BC is sending demand letters to practices in Alabama for restitution of fraudulent charges. Ecardio has sold these docs a bill of goods, and is not providing NO support. Lawsuits are being filed. Ecardio is in deep sht now.. Don't believe? Call a cardiology practice in Alabama and check it out for yourself.
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Cut and paste the below link. This is from a board like this one that is read by billers and coders. They are discussing the eCardio problem:

http://www.billing-coding.com/forum/read_thread.cfm?ForumID=5&ThreadID=13012&Thread=3004
 












Anonymous said:
Yeah...get your facts straight...these post are from a year ago.
BC AL has always been screwed up and are about to get their bell rung!
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OK, so because some of the post are a year old means they aren't true? What I see when I read this is that the problem has been around for a year and it is still not resolved. And it appears that BC AL might have been screwed up (as indicated by paying the claims of those taking advantage of a broken system) but they now realize that they paid claims they shouldn't have paid. I have a feeling it isn't their bell that is about to get rung. What is lucky for those doctors is that BC will probably settle for much less than what it paid out- mostly out of embarassment for being so poorly run that they were taken advantage of for so long.
 






more jacking off by the slimy and slippery pin heads from MEDICOMP who always rag mouth the competion and will always be playing catch up!!...one scum bag second rate company with third rate used car salesmen who would never make it in the pharma business....chumps! No one in this space wouldn't ever consider hiring anyone from MEDICOMP. eCardio, along with CN and LW is eating your lunch and you know it!...THIRD RATE IDIOTS!


Anonymous said:
Yeah, I am serious!! Ecardio hasn't come out with anything, Biotel/Braemar has and it is all second rate crap. You have a 920W and an Evolution and according to your marketing info and the specs, they are exactly the same. I guess you need one for the chumps you convince to illegally bill daily and one for those who don't want that option. The door is open and it is only a matter of time before your magnificant management decides to change the name and run through that open door. Ever hear of HMS and Cardiostaff? Don't let that door hit you on your backside on the way out.
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The system is not broken....BC AL IS! This is the most unknowledgable group of idiots ever. They don't base decisions on facts....they base decions on assumptions. They have not been taken advantage of....they and all of the CMS intermediaries are taking advantage of the industry....it is being proven as of this moment!


Anonymous said:
OK, so because some of the post are a year old means they aren't true? What I see when I read this is that the problem has been around for a year and it is still not resolved. And it appears that BC AL might have been screwed up (as indicated by paying the claims of those taking advantage of a broken system) but they now realize that they paid claims they shouldn't have paid. I have a feeling it isn't their bell that is about to get rung. What is lucky for those doctors is that BC will probably settle for much less than what it paid out- mostly out of embarassment for being so poorly run that they were taken advantage of for so long.
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Anonymous said:
The system is not broken....BC AL IS! This is the most unknowledgable group of idiots ever. They don't base decisions on facts....they base decions on assumptions. They have not been taken advantage of....they and all of the CMS intermediaries are taking advantage of the industry....it is being proven as of this moment!
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How can you say that the system is not broken?

If you can use old Holter codes to get paid for event monitoring- that is a problem.

When event monitors were originally set up for billing there was ONE hook-up fee, ONE technical component and ONE interpretation done at the end of the monitoring period. Some doctors decided to bill for EACH of the recordings done during the 30 days, so that if a patient used the monitor 8 or 9 times (which was the whole point of letting the patient keep it for 30 days) these doctors were billing for EACH of those recordings instead of billing once at the end of the period when the monitoring session was complete. This is another problem with the system.

I honestly think that some people didn't understand and acted out of a lack of understanding rather than with an intent to do something wrong. But some saw a way to beat the system and took advantage. Doctors and medical organizations abuse the system in the same way that some people stay on welfare for life. If you can do it, then why not?

THAT is a broken system.
 






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