Fuck You inVentiv For Paying us CSO's So Shitty! Most Of Us Spend All Day Everyday

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Re: Fuck You inVentiv For Paying us CSO's So Shitty! Most Of Us Spend All Day Everyda

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Why would anyone in their right mind settle for one of these contract jobs? Holy shit the pay is nothing more than a job in retail, or restaurant work. Good god have a little self respect and a little ambition. If it is for extra cash I could see it, but some of you that talk like this is your career you really are a joke. You go from being fired to this. How much lower can you go?
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I am not totally happy with my base but who really ever is? I think for a contract I am ok plus all the perks make it better. I came in with 3 years of pharma experience and took this position with $63K. I think it's pretty good in this market but of course $80K would be sooooo much better :)
 






Re: Fuck You inVentiv For Paying us CSO's So Shitty! Most Of Us Spend All Day Everyda

Anonymous said:
Why would anyone in their right mind settle for one of these contract jobs? Holy shit the pay is nothing more than a job in retail, or restaurant work. Good god have a little self respect and a little ambition. If it is for extra cash I could see it, but some of you that talk like this is your career you really are a joke. You go from being fired to this. How much lower can you go?
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Only idiots with no options could afford these positions. Totally an embarrassment and a reflection on your character and ambition. Also a wake up call to your worth and abilities = LOSER.
 






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If you hate the job as much as I do don't do a thing. It works out well. Collect the check as long as you can and give it 10% max. That is all they get from me!
 






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I was talking with a Doctor today that i used to call on. When I told him I am a contract rep. now he just laughed out loud so loud. You would have thought I told him the funniest joke. Well it really is a funny joke is the problem.
 






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Anonymous said:
I was talking with a Doctor today that i used to call on. When I told him I am a contract rep. now he just laughed out loud so loud. You would have thought I told him the funniest joke. Well it really is a funny joke is the problem.
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Than quit you shithead. It's so clear how insecure your are. You're probably one of those assholes with a small wee wee who had to one up their neighbor.
 






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Anonymous said:
Than quit you shithead. It's so clear how insecure your are. You're probably one of those assholes with a small wee wee who had to one up their neighbor.
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He can't quit, because he's not a CSO rep for inVentiv.... it's just a whiny, laid off, "Big Pharma" rep that got replaced with one of us. So now he needs to talk $h*%, and put down the CSO model to make his big bruised ego feel better about getting the boot ;-) poooooooorrr babbbbbyyyyyyy!
 






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We really are assholes to take these positions. These are worthless jobs that have killed our chances of anything else.
 






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Anonymous said:
We really are assholes to take these positions. These are worthless jobs that have killed our chances of anything else.
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So true, and the reason I took one is to have a little money until I find a job worth working.
 












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Not sure why everyone is complaining. I took this contract position with higher base that I had in a big pharma. It wasn't a huge different but low 5 digits in this economy is not too bad. Plus I got to launch a new drug that is doing so great and my bonus looks real good. So maybe we get what our hiring managers think we are worth? I got no complaints.
 






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Anonymous said:
Not sure why everyone is complaining. I took this contract position with higher base that I had in a big pharma. It wasn't a huge different but low 5 digits in this economy is not too bad. Plus I got to launch a new drug that is doing so great and my bonus looks real good. So maybe we get what our hiring managers think we are worth? I got no complaints.
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What most people don't understand is that the pay scale and bonus structure are contract specific. Each contract differs from the other therefore the ones that complain took an opportunity as opposed to waiting for a better one to come along.
 






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Stick the bonus up your ass managment. Sham
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You must be new! Bonus is non-existent. I will agree that they can stick this unlivable salary up their ass. Outta here as soon as another opportunity opens up. Wont be in Pharma. no one even grants me a interview.
 






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How are people able to work 2 days per week? Must be on a different contract or something?

I'm new to contract sales - hired on with BI contract. Salary probably at high-end of Ventiv pay scale because I'd been in big pharma for so long but I'm not complaining.

But do tell me how this works out because it seems to easy. If I hit all of my target list doctors AND make so many pharmacy calls AND am not put on a plan or something strange like that, I'm in good standing and will collect the full bonus, right? This whole contract thing seems shady, to say the least (for both parties). As such, is Ventiv a company that will purposefully try to "ding" a rep - i.e. not allow a full bonus if ONE call metric wasn't satisfied or something as miniscule as that? Or are they pretty honest with regard to things overall?

Who does our evaluations: my BI manager or my Ventiv manager? This is another potentially-limiting area.... if the BI manager treats me like a tool or stepchild because I'm a contract person, I could get a bad review.

Just curious. Be honest so I know what I'm in for.
 






Re: Fuck You inVentiv For Paying us CSO's So Shitty! Most Of Us Spend All Day Everyda

Anonymous said:
How are people able to work 2 days per week? Must be on a different contract or something?

I'm new to contract sales - hired on with BI contract. Salary probably at high-end of Ventiv pay scale because I'd been in big pharma for so long but I'm not complaining.

But do tell me how this works out because it seems to easy. If I hit all of my target list doctors AND make so many pharmacy calls AND am not put on a plan or something strange like that, I'm in good standing and will collect the full bonus, right? This whole contract thing seems shady, to say the least (for both parties). As such, is Ventiv a company that will purposefully try to "ding" a rep - i.e. not allow a full bonus if ONE call metric wasn't satisfied or something as miniscule as that? Or are they pretty honest with regard to things overall?

Who does our evaluations: my BI manager or my Ventiv manager? This is another potentially-limiting area.... if the BI manager treats me like a tool or stepchild because I'm a contract person, I could get a bad review.

Just curious. Be honest so I know what I'm in for.
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BS. If you were hired you would be able to answer your own questions ass hole. You cannot count on bonus it is just not realistic and you wont see it. The rest you know if you work here. Kiss my ass.
 






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Easy there, disgruntled one, I was only asking a question. If I've never associated with a contract sales organization, I wouldn't have any idea how they operate. And maybe I didn't ask - or it wasn't told to me - or I don't remember - how things are conducted w/ regard to payout information and the like.

I bet you're a joy to live and interact with, huh?

Normal people, please answer.
 






Re: Fuck You inVentiv For Paying us CSO's So Shitty! Most Of Us Spend All Day Everyda

Anonymous said:
Easy there, disgruntled one, I was only asking a question. If I've never associated with a contract sales organization, I wouldn't have any idea how they operate. And maybe I didn't ask - or it wasn't told to me - or I don't remember - how things are conducted w/ regard to payout information and the like.

I bet you're a joy to live and interact with, huh?

Normal people, please answer.
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I would have to agree this is all laid out at your offer. You are full of shit and what we call a pathetic Troll. So go on there big fella, Troll another site. Us little peon contract reppies make shit and don't have time to answer your rhetorical questions. Fuck off turd.
 






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Hey small one, give it a rest, eh? Someone will shoot some straight answers before long. Calm down.
 






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BI is essentially your manager, so the DM assigned to you will be doing yours. Your ERM will sign off on a few administrative things but that's all.

Just do what you're supposed to do. Don't expect to become a superstar in contract sales - it won't happen. If your territory happens to perform well, they're more apt to believe that it was the BI rep(s) that did it, not you. Ultimately, you may know the real answer but this is generally how they feel (this is my impression, and I was in big pharma for several years (primary care, then specialty)).

I do it because it's very easy. I still have my same territory & my same relationships, so this helps. And my doctors know the situation. My base is near 70 and I might bring home an extra 10-14 in bonus after taxes. In my part of the country 80/year goes a long way. Seeing as how this industry is going to continue to have layoffs - and the fact that I make way too much for what I do (and will likely be in the first round of those laid off) - I've already started career in real estate. It's extremely part-time, obviously, but I'm not going to be caught off guard again when the axe falls. I'm going to ride this gravy train as long as possible.

Do your work, do what's required and keep this job as long as you can. And remember that there are plenty of people who could and would do it for half of what you're probably making.
 






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The money is horrible and that is the sad truth. Bonus is really a joke. Don't count on it at all. As many have posted this is a good part time job while doing what you really want, or looking for a real job with respectable pay. I do agree, count on nothing, as you will get nothing out of it. You will go no where with it. It is considered the worst position possible in the industry. Once you take it the problem is there is no opportunity beyond it. I have seen this over and over again. If you are stuck and have no other opportunities (hard to believe) then you are stuck. Accept a life of job jumping and begging for the next contract. I would pass and get into a professional career with some respect from others in your industry. In Pharma. you are the lowest creature on the food chain. just sayin'
 






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