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Embarrassed to be in pharma

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Very true, plenty of good equipment/device jobs that aren't on call/15 hour days. And it is really nice to not have to lie to your manager all the time



Anonymous said:
It's always helpful if you know somebody though! I was in pharma for 7 years and couldn't get a devise job. To make matters worse....I worked for J&J that has operating companies that are devices and couldn't get it.

A friend landed me an interview with a friend of his who was a hiring manager for a device company. Would I have gotten the interview without my friend? Not a chance in hell.
I know that because I still had to go through the normal screening process. The job description wanted someone with 5 years of device experience. The screener cut the call abruptly short. The hiring manager went back to her and said to set up the face to face.

Networking is the single most important thing you could do. Five years of device experience required???? I still landedthe job. I'm not bragging....more in disbelief and feel so blessed that someone took a chance on me.

I'm here a year and very successful with my device job. There's plenty of good pharma reps out there that would do very well with devices. I never realized how depressed I was until I left that job and started this.

Don't believe the 15 hour a day bullshit. SOme days I'm out late, yesterday I left my house at 8:30 and was in my front door at 4:00Pm. Am I lazy? Not a chance. My boss knows I'm working.

It's nice to know that if my boss calls me and I pick up my phone at home at 10:00AM i don't have to pretent I'm in an office or in my car. I manage my territory well. I work nights when needed. If I get a call on the weekend and something needs to be handled I take car of that as well. And sometiems I just have moring where I do not need to rush.

Be passionate, have that fire in your eye. treat your customers as if they feel they were your very own family and you will be rewarded.

Be honest too! Everyone can spot a phoney!

Good luck to all! That job is out there. Go find it!
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Anonymous said:
I do not admit to strangers that I am employeed by a drug company. Why? National and local news media have criticized drug ads which border on the unethical (if not illegal) several times lately. That is troubling enough in itself but most friends are more than fed up and disgusted by the 24/7 cheesy/sleezy "ED" ads blasting from TV with their "4 hour erection" warnings, esp parents who cannot watch TV without explaining what the above means. Many say they never watch TV with guests now.

When I began work in this field, it was an admired profession by health care professionals as well as the general public. After the sales and marketing hucksters took over from ethical management , the industry has gone down the tubes. Oh, the hiring of ex cheerleaders , car rental folks,etc, who can barely spell pharmaceutical, to promote the product has not helped the image either. Just last week a leading national talk show host was making jokes about the pharma cheerleaders.

I never thought when I was hired that I would ever be placed in the huckster category. Really sad.
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Geeze, just when I thought it couldn't get any worse or more embarrassing, I heard an ex paint salesman saying he was interviewing with a drug company,lol.
 




















Anonymous said:
Device job here, not in surgery ever. Make 150 on a bad year. Never on call. Work out of the home and work 35 hours a week.

They exist.
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Great. When I need a job that pays $150/year, I will look first to devices. What type are we talking about? Hand cuffs? Chains and leather collars? Dildos that play music?
 




Anonymous said:
Great. When I need a job that pays $150/year, I will look first to devices. What type are we talking about? Hand cuffs? Chains and leather collars? Dildos that play music?
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LOL.
these device reps are always bragging about how much they make and bla bla bla.

it doesn't change the fact that they are still losers in life.
 




Anonymous said:
LOL.
these device reps are always bragging about how much they make and bla bla bla.

it doesn't change the fact that they are still losers in life.
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I am a device rep and success breeds confidence. Let's face it, men judge themselves primarily with their job title and how much money they make. So when I close sales and make awesome money, yeah, I am confident as hell.

So many of you have so many misconceptions about device sales or OR sales. I suggest you better educate yourself by doing a ride along with a friend who has the job. It isn't what you think it is. The people aren't what you think they are.

Face it, Device sales is the next step for people wanting to further their careers...You start selling something like copiers, then go to pharma, then go to device.

I am not saying I am better than you. I do however think you are jealous.

Office day today, time to kick up my feet, send some emails and make some phone calls. It is the end of the month. For those of you not in sales (pharma), that means I need to drum up more business because my monthly number is up. I don't have formulary wins to artificially prop up my numbers. If I don't sell, I don't get my typical 8k a month commission check.
 




The guy is not bragging, he is just giving hope to those who have the skills to get out of pharma. I had to take a capital sales position that sucked and I only made $55K the first year, but the company is well respected and it looked great on my resume. After doing that for one year, I was able to get a much better capital position and will make $150K-$200K this year. You still have a lot of flexibility, just when you are working you actually accomplish something (unlike pharma)
 




Anonymous said:
I am a device rep and success breeds confidence. Let's face it, men judge themselves primarily with their job title and how much money they make. So when I close sales and make awesome money, yeah, I am confident as hell.

So many of you have so many misconceptions about device sales or OR sales. I suggest you better educate yourself by doing a ride along with a friend who has the job. It isn't what you think it is. The people aren't what you think they are.

Face it, Device sales is the next step for people wanting to further their careers...You start selling something like copiers, then go to pharma, then go to device.

I am not saying I am better than you. I do however think you are jealous.

Office day today, time to kick up my feet, send some emails and make some phone calls. It is the end of the month. For those of you not in sales (pharma), that means I need to drum up more business because my monthly number is up. I don't have formulary wins to artificially prop up my numbers. If I don't sell, I don't get my typical 8k a month commission check.
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In the old days (pre med device sales), do you think men judged themselves by how many camels they had?

Maybe.

But, those fools are all dead.

The older I get, the more I judge a man by his word. Did he cheat on his wife? Is he a good father?

You just don't get it, because you have your head up your ass.
 




Anonymous said:
In the old days (pre med device sales), do you think men judged themselves by how many camels they had?

Maybe.

But, those fools are all dead.

The older I get, the more I judge a man by his word. Did he cheat on his wife? Is he a good father?

You just don't get it, because you have your head up your ass.
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You are over-simplifying my argument, as judged by your rude last remark.

Of course men are judged by moralistic things too, I am talking about the fact that men are by definition "accomplishment" based. I am talking about career, financial, educational, etc. There is a reason why so many spend years in the military to become great generals, or Doctors, or businessmen, or scientists, or any other position that takes hard work and determination. If men didn't judge themselves by ambition we would have a very unproductive society. This goes across all color lines and all cultures.

Those tangible accomplishments can be put on a resume. The fact that I am a good father or did not cheat on my wife can't. And in fact, I am supposed to be a good father and I am supposed to not cheat on my wife. Do you want a trophy for being a good person? Come on now...
 








Anonymous said:
You are over-simplifying my argument, as judged by your rude last remark.

Of course men are judged by moralistic things too, I am talking about the fact that men are by definition "accomplishment" based. I am talking about career, financial, educational, etc. There is a reason why so many spend years in the military to become great generals, or Doctors, or businessmen, or scientists, or any other position that takes hard work and determination. If men didn't judge themselves by ambition we would have a very unproductive society. This goes across all color lines and all cultures.

Those tangible accomplishments can be put on a resume. The fact that I am a good father or did not cheat on my wife can't. And in fact, I am supposed to be a good father and I am supposed to not cheat on my wife. Do you want a trophy for being a good person? Come on now...
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Do you think these people get into to those professions to pay the bills too?

My point is that you can't judge a person by what they do. I know some multi millionaries who are scum, and I know some minimum wagers who are the salt of the earth. I could care less to keep company with the millionaire, but the minimum wager is the best.
 




Anonymous said:
Do you think these people get into to those professions to pay the bills too?

My point is that you can't judge a person by what they do. I know some multi millionaries who are scum, and I know some minimum wagers who are the salt of the earth. I could care less to keep company with the millionaire, but the minimum wager is the best.
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Don't you question the ambition of your "min wage friend"? Who would be happy to stay in a min wage position?
 
















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