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I have to say, this is some high quality debate rather than the usual one-liner insults.My opinion is something down the middle.The job will get more and more lonely and demeaning as access will be rare, although it will exist in some areas. And yes, half of the sales force will be gone within one year. Ask yourself, as a patient, would you want unnecessary traffic in your doctor’s office?
 






anonymous said:
I have to say, this is some high quality debate rather than the usual one-liner insults.My opinion is something down the middle.The job will get more and more lonely and demeaning as access will be rare, although it will exist in some areas. And yes, half of the sales force will be gone within one year. Ask yourself, as a patient, would you want unnecessary traffic in your doctor’s office?
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Not just one patient.

After a single rep gets diagnosed, he will have to document where he was during the last 14 days. That is going to include an average of 8 doctors offices per day, for 10 business days with contact of at least 2 staff (receptionist and target). Let's presume a very low count 3 people in the waiting room. Oh yeah, those people in the waiting room? Happen to be sick people already, often in high risk groups.

Now let's add in non-essential visits to 3 pharmacies per day and assume contact with at least 2 staffers and 3 customers, again who are sick and in high risk groups.

Let's play this out:

So, John Q. Rep, I'm sorry, bad news. You've got Covid. Tell me, what was your social footprint over the last 14 days? We have to start notifying people in case you spread it to them.

John Q. Rep whips out a list as long as a CVS receipt documenting non-essential and company-directed in-person contact with no less than 550 front-line HCPs and sick people at high risk for poor outcomes from a lethal virus during a pandemic.

Every one of those offices will then be notified and in turn have to contact their patients telling them to self quarantine/test, even if the rep just sat in his car and logged a "call" where he never turned a doorknob and never spread a pathogen to anyone ... because his "activities" are all on company record.

Wow! That's an enormous social footprint in high risk areas medical areas. How did you think that was a good idea during a pandemic?

Well, my company like all the other companies, are working on a Covid vaccine. Whenever ours launches I'll need all the relationships I just blew up to increase our market share and increase profits. That's what I'm paid to do! Oh yeah, also because doctors don't get enough interaction every day, and somehow actually believe they like to interact with me during their workday.

Diagnosing doctor just blinks.

Stop dreaming folks. If we're lucky, all we're gonna see are NO REPS signs everywhere and not even be able to present more unnecessary health risks to people who have enough of them already.

It's all going virtual until after this thing is well controlled and social distancing is not the only tool we have to combat it.
 






anonymous said:
Not just one patient.

After a single rep gets diagnosed, he will have to document where he was during the last 14 days. That is going to include an average of 8 doctors offices per day, for 10 business days with contact of at least 2 staff (receptionist and target). Let's presume a very low count 3 people in the waiting room. Oh yeah, those people in the waiting room? Happen to be sick people already, often in high risk groups.

Now let's add in non-essential visits to 3 pharmacies per day and assume contact with at least 2 staffers and 3 customers, again who are sick and in high risk groups.

Let's play this out:

So, John Q. Rep, I'm sorry, bad news. You've got Covid. Tell me, what was your social footprint over the last 14 days? We have to start notifying people in case you spread it to them.

John Q. Rep whips out a list as long as a CVS receipt documenting non-essential and company-directed in-person contact with no less than 550 front-line HCPs and sick people at high risk for poor outcomes from a lethal virus during a pandemic.

Every one of those offices will then be notified and in turn have to contact their patients telling them to self quarantine/test, even if the rep just sat in his car and logged a "call" where he never turned a doorknob and never spread a pathogen to anyone ... because his "activities" are all on company record.

Wow! That's an enormous social footprint in high risk areas medical areas. How did you think that was a good idea during a pandemic?

Well, my company like all the other companies, are working on a Covid vaccine. Whenever ours launches I'll need all the relationships I just blew up to increase our market share and increase profits. That's what I'm paid to do! Oh yeah, also because doctors don't get enough interaction every day, and somehow actually believe they like to interact with me during their workday.

Diagnosing doctor just blinks.

Stop dreaming folks. If we're lucky, all we're gonna see are NO REPS signs everywhere and not even be able to present more unnecessary health risks to people who have enough of them already.

It's all going virtual until after this thing is well controlled and social distancing is not the only tool we have to combat it.
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You make a good case.
 






anonymous said:
Not just one patient.

After a single rep gets diagnosed, he will have to document where he was during the last 14 days. That is going to include an average of 8 doctors offices per day, for 10 business days with contact of at least 2 staff (receptionist and target). Let's presume a very low count 3 people in the waiting room. Oh yeah, those people in the waiting room? Happen to be sick people already, often in high risk groups.

Now let's add in non-essential visits to 3 pharmacies per day and assume contact with at least 2 staffers and 3 customers, again who are sick and in high risk groups.

Let's play this out:

So, John Q. Rep, I'm sorry, bad news. You've got Covid. Tell me, what was your social footprint over the last 14 days? We have to start notifying people in case you spread it to them.

John Q. Rep whips out a list as long as a CVS receipt documenting non-essential and company-directed in-person contact with no less than 550 front-line HCPs and sick people at high risk for poor outcomes from a lethal virus during a pandemic.

Every one of those offices will then be notified and in turn have to contact their patients telling them to self quarantine/test, even if the rep just sat in his car and logged a "call" where he never turned a doorknob and never spread a pathogen to anyone ... because his "activities" are all on company record.

Wow! That's an enormous social footprint in high risk areas medical areas. How did you think that was a good idea during a pandemic?

Well, my company like all the other companies, are working on a Covid vaccine. Whenever ours launches I'll need all the relationships I just blew up to increase our market share and increase profits. That's what I'm paid to do! Oh yeah, also because doctors don't get enough interaction every day, and somehow actually believe they like to interact with me during their workday.

Diagnosing doctor just blinks.

Stop dreaming folks. If we're lucky, all we're gonna see are NO REPS signs everywhere and not even be able to present more unnecessary health risks to people who have enough of them already.

It's all going virtual until after this thing is well controlled and social distancing is not the only tool we have to combat it.
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Honestly, your careers are over - much needed correction and long overdue. Once corporate sees that the numbers remain the same and representatives no longer have access to 95% of their accounts - game over. Corporate is not going to pay you to sit around in your office - dust off your resume. The writing is on the wall - the pharmaceutical role has become obsolete for a long time. Covid19 will give corporate the opportunity to redefine their business model.
 






anonymous said:
Honestly, your careers are over - much needed correction and long overdue. Once corporate sees that the numbers remain the same and representatives no longer have access to 95% of their accounts - game over.
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To be fair, corporate heads knew it all along and propped the whole thing up. What's changed is that the industry as a whole will be no longer able to convince any other company of their on-the-ground marketing "effectiveness" with bogus reports while our healthcare system is shut down to field reps for obvious reasons for an extended period of time.

Yes, game over.

Hey, it lasted far longer than it ever should have. Everyone who works in this industry knows that's the truth.

I imagine it will be hard for everyone but will be a good thing, overall.

Take care of yourselves, everybody. The world done changed.
 






anonymous said:
Honestly, your careers are over - much needed correction and long overdue. Once corporate sees that the numbers remain the same and representatives no longer have access to 95% of their accounts - game over. Corporate is not going to pay you to sit around in your office - dust off your resume. The writing is on the wall - the pharmaceutical role has become obsolete for a long time. Covid19 will give corporate the opportunity to redefine their business model.
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So how long ago were you fired? Bitter much?
 






anonymous said:
Do you know how contact tracing works? You test positive for C19, and then are required to describe where you have been over the past 14 days and who you could have potentially exposed.

Do you know what your call entries do? They provides an actual recorded diary including date and time into every office you went into, which can and will be cross referenced to everyone who was at work in every office that day and every patient who came them after you.

If you think that information will not be requested and required after a rep tests positive for C19, you're dreaming. This is a huge and unnecessary liability for both the physicians and the pharmaceutical companies for the foreseeable future, until after an effective vaccine has done its work.

Sorry to be the bearer of the reality of what's coming, but it is. Get ready.
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Not true. JNJ had numerous sales representative contract COVID as a result of being in the field those last weeks. Here is what they did : Nothing. No traceback, no report scrutinization to check whereabouts, no office contact, Nothing.
 






anonymous said:
Not true. JNJ had numerous sales representative contract COVID as a result of being in the field those last weeks. Here is what they did : Nothing. No traceback, no report scrutinization to check whereabouts, no office contact, Nothing.
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Contact tracing wasn't in place in March.

Contact tracing will be in place this summer and going forward because it's all we have to contain this pandemic.

I imagine all 50 states will require it, except perhaps FL and GA.

This is out of the company's hands and in the hands of the Governors.
 






anonymous said:
Honestly, your careers are over - much needed correction and long overdue. Once corporate sees that the numbers remain the same and representatives no longer have access to 95% of their accounts - game over. Corporate is not going to pay you to sit around in your office - dust off your resume. The writing is on the wall - the pharmaceutical role has become obsolete for a long time. Covid19 will give corporate the opportunity to redefine their business model.
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Well look, an AOC type democrat who hates everyone who makes a good living. First , they were glad to see the oil industry crash although it cost thousands their jobs, now you are happy to see pharm reps working at Walmart. Still doing better than you motherfucker, you will be paid until the election is over , then its back to the basement and maybe working at Starbucks.
You people are a despicable bunch!!
 






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Well look, an AOC type democrat who hates everyone who makes a good living. First , they were glad to see the oil industry crash although it cost thousands their jobs, now you are happy to see pharm reps working at Walmart. Still doing better than you motherfucker, you will be paid until the election is over , then its back to the basement and maybe working at Starbucks.
You people are a despicable bunch!!
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Yeah you sound real sane
 






anonymous said:
Well look, an AOC type democrat who hates everyone who makes a good living. First , they were glad to see the oil industry crash although it cost thousands their jobs, now you are happy to see pharm reps working at Walmart. Still doing better than you motherfucker, you will be paid until the election is over , then its back to the basement and maybe working at Starbucks.
You people are a despicable bunch!!
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We haven't needed oil for many years yet its still here polluting our world to benefit the few.
 


















anonymous said:
Not just one patient.

After a single rep gets diagnosed, he will have to document where he was during the last 14 days. That is going to include an average of 8 doctors offices per day, for 10 business days with contact of at least 2 staff (receptionist and target). Let's presume a very low count 3 people in the waiting room. Oh yeah, those people in the waiting room? Happen to be sick people already, often in high risk groups.

Now let's add in non-essential visits to 3 pharmacies per day and assume contact with at least 2 staffers and 3 customers, again who are sick and in high risk groups.

Let's play this out:

So, John Q. Rep, I'm sorry, bad news. You've got Covid. Tell me, what was your social footprint over the last 14 days? We have to start notifying people in case you spread it to them.

John Q. Rep whips out a list as long as a CVS receipt documenting non-essential and company-directed in-person contact with no less than 550 front-line HCPs and sick people at high risk for poor outcomes from a lethal virus during a pandemic.

Every one of those offices will then be notified and in turn have to contact their patients telling them to self quarantine/test, even if the rep just sat in his car and logged a "call" where he never turned a doorknob and never spread a pathogen to anyone ... because his "activities" are all on company record.

Wow! That's an enormous social footprint in high risk areas medical areas. How did you think that was a good idea during a pandemic?

Well, my company like all the other companies, are working on a Covid vaccine. Whenever ours launches I'll need all the relationships I just blew up to increase our market share and increase profits. That's what I'm paid to do! Oh yeah, also because doctors don't get enough interaction every day, and somehow actually believe they like to interact with me during their workday.

Diagnosing doctor just blinks.

Stop dreaming folks. If we're lucky, all we're gonna see are NO REPS signs everywhere and not even be able to present more unnecessary health risks to people who have enough of them already.

It's all going virtual until after this thing is well controlled and social distancing is not the only tool we have to combat it.
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Interesting points and viable but most offices are not and will not see sick patients for a long time

Also, they could reduce the number of calls per day to reduce the possible infections, one call per day , so total of 10 calls during 2 weeks
 


















Always gonna be cry babies claiming the sky is falling. Fact is, zero reps will even look at other jobs now or in the near future. The Covid hype will die down and then the cry babies will find another cause that will be the end of the world.
 






Really the COVID19 hype!? Please - how disrespectful to those who have lost their life and scientists that are relentlessly working on a vaccine to save lives. Hope you are not in the industry - you lack empathy.
 






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