Breakup of Physician, Drug Company Relationship Could Improve Health Care, Cut Cost

[Anonymous]

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"Sale reps are an important part of that model " not according to many studies.

Don't you think that it is ironic that we have at least 2 studies presented here that prove that your destructive to the industry thus refuting your claim but you can't produce one single claim backing up your assertion regarding branded vs generics?

You are a fool.

He/she not a fool, but is a spewing company-approved sales messages like he/she has been doing a few days a week since 1993. Sadly, this rep will soon find out what the real world thinks of us, and may be joining Publicus Selling Solutions or Inventiv as a rep-for-hire banking $75,000 per year....IF THEY ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET ONE OF THOSE JOBS!!

 

[Anonymous]

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The incremental improvements of a branded drug over a generic drug is debatable but over time real improvements occur. If you take the profit incentive out of the pharmaceutical industry you eliminate innovation. Grow up. Capitalism works and it's the only model that is proven to drive innovation. Sale reps are an important part of that model of which I have been one for over 20 years and I hold my head high.

There is no debate - no study is necessary. As a brand and generic manufacture Novartis speaks out of both sides of it's mouth. Profit drives everything is 100% correct - but to believe Sales Reps make a difference anymore? hahahahaha

I'm fortunate to retire after the next PC (yes I will get it). I'm glad new reps have no knowledge of what this profession used to be - they have no frame of reference to compare. I feel for those that defend it - they sound hollow as management does trying to explain IMS and commissions, and as stupid as the brand team hawking prepared messages.

I've been in sales nearly 30 years - this job ceased having a meaning to our customers a long time ago. We don't further the breath or depth of medical science anymore, all we represent are either free samples - or free food. Take your pick.

Oh - and the poster that holds their head high? It's because you're on your knees.

 

[Anonymous]

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Oops.... Generic Worshipers might not want to read.

http://www.philly.com/philly/health/No_substitute_when_a_generic_drug_isnt_what_it_seems.html

 

[Anonymous]

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Hey dumbfucks. Don't you realize docs already prescribe 70-80 percent generic meds already? Do you realize the cheap peace of shit generics are made by the same companies that make the brand? Or that generic prices have doubled in the last 4 years alone? It's a shell game that the academia docs who have never run a business, I.e. get paid as a faculty or VA doc, don't have the business acumen or experience to understand. Dumbest fuckers ever. The so called studies are laughable. They are more biased than the pharma sponsored studies which at least have some regulations as to what they can put out in print.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Breakup of Physician, Drug Company Relationship Could Improve Health Care, Cut Co

The incremental improvements of a branded drug over a generic drug is debatable but over time real improvements occur. If you take the profit incentive out of the pharmaceutical industry you eliminate innovation. Grow up. Capitalism works and it's the only model that is proven to drive innovation. Sale reps are an important part of that model of which I have been one for over 20 years and I hold my head high.

I work in oncology. This person is correct. The rest of you, which I imagine amounts to 2 or 3 very bitter, very immature, apparently very sad and very angry individuals need to grow up.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Breakup of Physician, Drug Company Relationship Could Improve Health Care, Cut Co

There is no debate - no study is necessary. As a brand and generic manufacture Novartis speaks out of both sides of it's mouth. Profit drives everything is 100% correct - but to believe Sales Reps make a difference anymore? hahahahaha

I'm fortunate to retire after the next PC (yes I will get it). I'm glad new reps have no knowledge of what this profession used to be - they have no frame of reference to compare. I feel for those that defend it - they sound hollow as management does trying to explain IMS and commissions, and as stupid as the brand team hawking prepared messages.

I've been in sales nearly 30 years - this job ceased having a meaning to our customers a long time ago. We don't further the breath or depth of medical science anymore, all we represent are either free samples - or free food. Take your pick.

Oh - and the poster that holds their head high? It's because you're on your knees.

Frickin' brilliant, spot-on post.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Breakup of Physician, Drug Company Relationship Could Improve Health Care, Cut Co

Hey dumbfucks. Don't you realize docs already prescribe 70-80 percent generic meds already? Do you realize the cheap peace of shit generics are made by the same companies that make the brand? Or that generic prices have doubled in the last 4 years alone? It's a shell game that the academia docs who have never run a business, I.e. get paid as a faculty or VA doc, don't have the business acumen or experience to understand. Dumbest fuckers ever. The so called studies are laughable. They are more biased than the pharma sponsored studies which at least have some regulations as to what they can put out in print.

You're jousting at windmills, my friend. Retail pharmacists, politicians, hospitals, physicians, managed care plans, Departments of CMS (and many more) will soon be pushing generics unlike anything you've ever seen. Do yourself a favor, do an informational 1:1 interview of an influential, decision-making member of one of the stakeholders I listed. Ask them if 2014 will look like....say, 2004.

You'll see.

 

[Anonymous]

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I work in oncology. This person is correct. The rest of you, which I imagine amounts to 2 or 3 very bitter, very immature, apparently very sad and very angry individuals need to grow up.

It should be against the law for someone whose job is based upon science to say that they believe in self serving lies. Oh wait, is against the law.

 

[Anonymous]

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For all of you that spout the company generic line, why do you suppose Novartis insists we use generics or pay full price for our company sponsored insurance plan? They count on the lock step loyalty of all of us while they aim purely at profits

 

[Anonymous]

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I work in oncology. This person is correct. The rest of you, which I imagine amounts to 2 or 3 very bitter, very immature, apparently very sad and very angry individuals need to grow up.

The studies are laughable SAYS THE DETAIL REP (or worst, marketer or manager)?! And now, an "oncology rep" concurs? Oh, this is too good!
Do us a favor, and post articles from three peer-review journals that our customers respect. As much as I would like to believe you, I am pretty sure that we're the only ones out here arguing against generics.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Breakup of Physician, Drug Company Relationship Could Improve Health Care, Cut Co

Hey dumbfucks. Don't you realize docs already prescribe 70-80 percent generic meds already? Do you realize the cheap peace of shit generics are made by the same companies that make the brand? Or that generic prices have doubled in the last 4 years alone? It's a shell game that the academia docs who have never run a business, I.e. get paid as a faculty or VA doc, don't have the business acumen or experience to understand. Dumbest fuckers ever. The so called studies are laughable. They are more biased than the pharma sponsored studies which at least have some regulations as to what they can put out in print.

The article in the first post above was published in the journal for an organization that represents the 2nd largest group of board certified physicians in the country. Do you get it you fucking moron? If your claims are true regarding bias and your views of academia then it was just given the postion as at least being considered being true. And this organization consists of Dr who most are NOT like you described above.

And what is even more hilarious that you, like another moron on this site write like Pharma Sales Reps are paragons of business, from enterprise and capitalism. I ask a simple question, what description of your job even lets you lick the asshole of concepts like these?

I was in Home Depot this weekend shopping and overheard a man and an older women looking at doors and the man said, "Look mom, I know that this is the right door. I should know, I drive a tow truck".

Here is you and Pharma Reps like you, "You don't need scientific studies and you don't know anything about business. I should know, I am a Pharma Sales Rep."

You are a fucking stupid self parody who isn't even self aware enough to realize it.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Breakup of Physician, Drug Company Relationship Could Improve Health Care, Cut Co

The studies are laughable SAYS THE DETAIL REP (or worst, marketer or manager)?! And now, an "oncology rep" concurs? Oh, this is too good!
Do us a favor, and post articles from three peer-review journals that our customers respect. As much as I would like to believe you, I am pretty sure that we're the only ones out here arguing against generics.

You mean for generics don't you? If not link to studies.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Breakup of Physician, Drug Company Relationship Could Improve Health Care, Cut Co

For all of you that spout the company generic line, why do you suppose Novartis insists we use generics or pay full price for our company sponsored insurance plan? They count on the lock step loyalty of all of us while they aim purely at profits

Since the Novartis line, "The incremental improvements of a branded drug over a generic drug is debatable but over time real improvements occur." is true and your statement regarding Novartis' Health Insurance plan requiring the use of Generics for us is true, can I sue because Novartis is being cheap and forcing me to utilize inferior drugs? Of course not because the mealy mouth company line isn't proven by studies but it isn't disproven by any that is why they allow us to say it and LIE.

By the way, its the FDA official postion that one should use Generics whenever one is available.

Speaking of profits let me ask you to visualize this. It is a well known and old hackneyed fact that Pharma don't manufacture much in the US. So they don't pay anyone a salary here for making the stuff that they sell here. Now, they have engineered a new Healthcare Bill that is a glide path to eliminating the vast majority marketing and sales jobs. And with those all the supporting jobs.

What will be left for employment is the US afterwards? Lobbiests - who will manipulate politicians to keep the gravy train running. Govt Affairs and Regulatory folks needed to comply with the FDA etc. Lawyers to litigate down all the lawsuits. And Sr Execs to cash in on all this.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Breakup of Physician, Drug Company Relationship Could Improve Health Care, Cut Co

Since the Novartis line, "The incremental improvements of a branded drug over a generic drug is debatable but over time real improvements occur." is true and your statement regarding Novartis' Health Insurance plan requiring the use of Generics for us is true, can I sue because Novartis is being cheap and forcing me to utilize inferior drugs? Of course not because the mealy mouth company line isn't proven by studies but it isn't disproven by any that is why they allow us to say it and LIE.

By the way, its the FDA official postion that one should use Generics whenever one is available.

Speaking of profits let me ask you to visualize this. It is a well known and old hackneyed fact that Pharma don't manufacture much in the US. So they don't pay anyone a salary here for making the stuff that they sell here. Now, they have engineered a new Healthcare Bill that is a glide path to eliminating the vast majority marketing and sales jobs. And with those all the supporting jobs.

What will be left for employment is the US afterwards? Lobbiests - who will manipulate politicians to keep the gravy train running. Govt Affairs and Regulatory folks needed to comply with the FDA etc. Lawyers to litigate down all the lawsuits. And Sr Execs to cash in on all this.

Cant wait to hear the company line on this one. A expect a couple of 15 year manager and detail reps will want to weigh in, too.

 

[Anonymous]

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Do yourselves a favor and google dangers of generic drug utilization. Literally thousands of links to articles and lawsuits. So even a clueless Obama-drone can see and understand that generics are no panacea.

Ooh boy, now get real angry and cut-paste a study with 3 docs. Oh boy.... How convincing.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Breakup of Physician, Drug Company Relationship Could Improve Health Care, Cut Co

Do yourselves a favor and google dangers of generic drug utilization. Literally thousands of links to articles and lawsuits. So even a clueless Obama-drone can see and understand that generics are no panacea.

Ooh boy, now get real angry and cut-paste a study with 3 docs. Oh boy.... How convincing.

You knuckle-heads embarrass me. No one cares what WE, the pharma industry thinks, OK? Do your customers believe in the "evils" of generics? Did JAMA put out an article about the dangers of same? No? Did the American Hospital Association, or some big retail pharmacist association, or a big journal? OK, does Medicaid or Medicare publications have a few sections on the superiority of branded over generics? Do your hospitals' purchasing pharmacists push our brands over generics? NO? Well, what about Walgreens, Rite Aid, or CVS retail pharmacists? Or Aetna, UnitedHealth, or Blue Cross? What's that you say? All of the above PUSH generics?
Oh my, wait until you see what is coming Jan 2014. We are hosed, my friend!
Post on CP all you want, and rail against ObamaCare as the root of all evil. It matters not. For a couple of decades, we were one of the, if not THE most profitable industries, taken as a whole. Many stakeholders can not wait to put the screws to our thumbs....

It matters not what WE think, so stop preaching to the choir and go out there and get YOUR CUSTOMERS to believe that our brands are far superior to generic equivalents.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Breakup of Physician, Drug Company Relationship Could Improve Health Care, Cut Co

You knuckle-heads embarrass me. No one cares what WE, the pharma industry thinks, OK? Do your customers believe in the "evils" of generics? Did JAMA put out an article about the dangers of same? No? Did the American Hospital Association, or some big retail pharmacist association, or a big journal? OK, does Medicaid or Medicare publications have a few sections on the superiority of branded over generics? Do your hospitals' purchasing pharmacists push our brands over generics? NO? Well, what about Walgreens, Rite Aid, or CVS retail pharmacists? Or Aetna, UnitedHealth, or Blue Cross? What's that you say? All of the above PUSH generics?
Oh my, wait until you see what is coming Jan 2014. We are hosed, my friend!
Post on CP all you want, and rail against ObamaCare as the root of all evil. It matters not. For a couple of decades, we were one of the, if not THE most profitable industries, taken as a whole. Many stakeholders can not wait to put the screws to our thumbs....

It matters not what WE think, so stop preaching to the choir and go out there and get YOUR CUSTOMERS to believe that our brands are far superior to generic equivalents.

I am always so pleased to hear you say that it doesn't matter what "We" think. It puts everything in the proper context, because of course you are correct... nobody cares what you are your Mom thinks. Thank you for the clarification.

 

[Anonymous]

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I am always so pleased to hear you say that it doesn't matter what "We" think. It puts everything in the proper context, because of course you are correct... nobody cares what you are your Mom thinks. Thank you for the clarification.

Oh, I get it: a Your Momma joke! The hilarity and intellect here impress the heck out of me. Gee...how come so many that have been cut from here can't land a gig anywhere else? I wonder....

 

[Anonymous]

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I think this got where it is today is because everyone wanted what was explained as "free healthcare." Now that a lot of major unions want out of it (because their individual plans like Blue Cross were better) they are afraid of losing. The problem is no one understood how very expensive this will be as we will be paying for the masses. You will see.

 

[Anonymous]

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I think this got where it is today is because everyone wanted what was explained as "free healthcare." Now that a lot of major unions want out of it (because their individual plans like Blue Cross were better) they are afraid of losing. The problem is no one understood how very expensive this will be as we will be paying for the masses. You will see.

See the results in MA. It isn't more expensive. Also, read the original studies as published by Heritage. If it is such a disaster why are Christie, Scott and Brewer all trying desperately to implement it.

The Unions aren't surprised that it would effectively end their "Gold Plated Health Care Plans" they knew that from the beginning. The Union Leadership is just making this noise to try and quell complaints from their members. Ending these plans is good and everyone but those with the plans thinks so.

Besides, so what if the union members don't like this one issue. Do you think that there is a chance that they would switch their votes to the Old, Fat, Southern, Racist, Christian Fundamentalist, totally anti-Union Republicans?

You keep bringing this up and it just shows how out of touch you are.